There will always be hate for games. Even if Forza 7 catered for everybody and it had everything that everybody wanted you will have people complain.
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According to xbox support, the ambassadors program the party chat switching is intentional. It is not a bug, just a bit more of a pain than intended. Not sure they tested anything in this game as they havent done alpha and beta testing out of house since forza 3. It is not even mentioned as a issue in the known bug issue threads.
Really, you can’t figure out why everyone is dissapointed? Maybe because Turn10 keeps cutting bigger and bigger corners and we are left with a product that doesn’t fulfill that what was promised.
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Yet another couple of things changed and not for the better is lack of lobby moderation, and no community events manager. In the middle of f5 they had that person leave and never replaced them. There used to be event lobbies for the 24 hour races, major racing events in irl reflected in forshortened forza style with appropriate car classes. 6 had none of these. 7 looks to be doing the same.
My friends and I would like to have those events back.
And definately acknowledge the need for lobby moderators to randomly drop in for a few stints to clean out track trolls. The community-based report system is too slow or non existant when it comes to removing cutters, wreckers and other track trolls. Adding tire walls that don’t actually exist is a cheap and poorly implemented option instead of really looking at how these cancers to online racing propagate. One good option would be to take trusted forza players and allow them to be those community moderators for lobbies. Kicking out and seperating them as they say the report system does. But doesnt do. I am still found in a lobby with players i know i have on my block list for doing it in previous forzas.
If you think i dont understand the report system look at my signature or gamertag profile i have been a Xbox ambassador for better than a decade and know full well how things are or are not being enforced. The main problem with Turn ten not moderating lobbies is that via the xbox report system the violation has to be egregious and violate xbox live tos. Plus it has to be reported several times as to show a pattern of behavior. With verifiable proof via video capture. The enforcement team does not hand out bans without these. So without active moderation by Turn10 the trolls can do what they want as often as they want for as long as they want.
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I played for over 8 hours straight,yea,i hate it,lol.
For me, for every positive there seems to be twice as many negatives. I was driving on the ring and thought wow this looks pretty good, so I go to take a picture and the realise there is a gap between shadow and car and all the tyres that should be in shadow are lit up. Then on Sebring the shadow clipped through the grass. Or you think wow these sounds are great, then you get in your favourite car and realise they’ve given it 2 more cylinders.
I like driving cars stock and this game goes out of its way to stop you. Now I know you can in free play by setting it to any but as sonn as you change car it resets division. I use to Hot lap in rivals now I have to do it in free play and spend more time in menus than on track.
The actually driving is much improved and really fun and the career actually gives you something to work towards, but there are so many issues out when driving. Issues like lights not working correctly and wrong/non existent shifting animations, cars becoming invisible in painting menus and drivatar cars being matte. They might all sound harmless but when you are paying as much as we do for these games year after year, not every 4 years like most games (its well over £120 by the time all the DLC is done) it just feels a little bit disrespectful from the dev’s. After paying as much as we do to have art teams ignore these issues during development with no Q&A but have them work on the way over done wobbly parts Too much effort put into gimmicks to sell to casual and jurnos and not into Q&A is so frustrating.
For years we have given turn10 a pass hoping they fix it for next game, but very little of the important stuff does. While some cars get fixed others that have been in the series for ever get broken, there is no communication. But its like they know Forza is the only car encyclopaedia game out it the moment, even GT has gone on a different direction. To me Project Cars and Assetto Corsa don’t compete, they are about driving and racing first, cars second, where GT and Forza have been all about experiencing as many cars as you can. So many of us get more involved when it comes to Forza because unlike the console sims, if one isn’t doing it for you you have a choice, Forza doesn’t have a rival in its genre, so if this game is bad there is nothing else.
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So from my understanding and yes I have played FM6 and FH3 so I have not been in the forza community long at all but it sounds like they really took away the freedom from players to play the game how they want. Basically gave us a platform and said this is what you have and this is how you will play it.
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First off the game has been released: the Ultimate Edition was on sale for everyone for a premium price and it has been released. Or do you think that UE customers doesn’t deserve a finsihed, quality game, because they got it a couple days earlier? If a game is on sale for 100 bucks and is available for download and play I suppose it has been released.
Forza7 is a very mixed bag for me: there are improvementes like better physics and controller sensitivity, improved sound editing and mixing. The Division system is also good, together with the better drivatars makes single player races more interesting.
But there are more negative things around this release than with the previous games. Let’s see:
1. Uneven graphic quality: Forza games were always the best looking racing games. Everything looked detailed and perfect. Now it seems that the change from baked-in shadows to dynamic lighting resulted in a very noticable loss of detail on Xbox One. Weather effects and driving at dusk or night looks nice, but the tracks looks worse in normal, sunny conditions than in Forza 6. Track surfaces look flat and dull, some trackside objects and foliage looks like imported from an X360 game. Cars during the race and replay (not garage or photomode) are noticably less detailed than in Forza 6.
AI cars were less detailed in previous Forzas too, but you couldn’t notice the differences during a race, from the cockpit, only in paused replay, zoomed in. Now you can see some blocky curves and missing parts even from the cockpit at race speed.
OK, they had to sacrifice some details to make the track shadows dynamic but I think visuals are looking worse in overall than in Forza 6. Only some of the tracks has night or rain scenarios - mostly the same ones than in Forza 6, the only difference is that you can see the transition from dry to rain or from dusk to night. This looks great I have to admit but in other conditions the new game looks worse and less detailed than its predecessor.
You can say that I should be glad that F7 is even released for an ancient and weak console like the Xbox One and the Xbox One S, because it’s optimized for the new Xbox On X and for high-end PCs. Well, I don’t think that the Xbox One I’ve bough two years ago is a worthless junk, and I should be happy with a game which looks worse than it’s previous iteration.
When people criticized Forza 5 that it doesn’t have enough content and it seems unfinished compared to Forza 4 the T10 fanboys said that you should be happy with that because it was the first Forza game on the then new Xbox One, and the devs were under big pressure because F5 was one of the main titles for the new console debut. Now I read everywhere that if you want to enjoy F7 in its perfect form you should have an Xbox One X and a 4K TV - or a top-end PC. So is it mean that I should buy a new console and a new TV for every FM game in the future? Or just be happy for that I got something at all for my “obsolete” console? Another fact is that in one of the preview videos a T10 guy said that F7 will look better even on the old Xbox One than Forza 6. Well, that’s not exactly the truth.
And we could mention graphical bugs: matte drivatar cars in Career races, disappearing wheels and invisible body mods.
- Crates, costumes, mod cards, tokens: everyone should read the arstechnica article linked above. None of these stuff has been requested by the players. The driver outfits doesn’t make any sense in the game: you can’t see them during race so the devs put them into every menu, and after a race finish you have to see a lame scene where the three top finishers are doing their usual clapping/dancing animations inf front of their badly lit car and a video wall.
Really is this what you always wanted to see in a Forza Motorsport game? A character model who can’t do anything else beside clapping and standing from one feet to another? At least we could see our avatar as he opens the door of the car and hops into the driver seat before a session. Or when we first check out a freshly purchased car in Autovista there could be a little animation as our driver rolling into our garage in the new car, stops the engine and gets out of the car. But now, he just stands there, looking creepy with always in his helmes. And sometimes claps his hands.
This stuff is not for us, this is how T10 prepares the game for more microtransactions. That if you are silly enough you can pay real money for tokens which you can buy loot crates, and if you are lucky you may have new texture for the clapping guy. Don’t tell me anyone that this was a requested feature by anyone!
3. No class- or even divisional rivals mode.
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Less multiplayer options
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Very few new to the series cars. (I suppose they holding back the most popular new cars for paid DLCs: new BMW M5, Bugatti Chiron, 2018 Ford Mustang. I’m sure these cars are already modelled they just haven’t put them into the game. Why would they do that if they can boost the car-pack sales with them?)
Most new cars are more Horizon than Motosport: Polaris quads, Baja trucks, buggies, 1000HP musclecars and gymkhana cars. What will come next? A “John Deere DLC” with farm tractors, forklifts + a “special edition” 2015 Ford Mustang with a Forza Aero rear wing and a John Deere texture? You know, I would’t be surprised. I ask you guys seriously: is there anyone on Earth who wanted to race Polaris ATVs in Le Mans? Or a 1949 Chevy without doors at Spa Francorchamps?
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Paintshop options got worse: badly lit painting room, you can’t adjust the colors. (Even the homespace is bad in this regard, but the painting room is terrible.)
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Watering down the VIP package. Temporary mods, no exclusive cars, etc.
If you add all these many little nuances and you can see why people are upset. This is the most unfinished, rushed Forza ever made, and a proof that the devs are more interested in our wallet than cars and racing - and what their customers want in their next game.
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While there have already been quiet a few outstanding posts about the issues in Forza 7, I think that this post summarizes the situation the best of any I have read. Bravo!
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Why? Because you can’t get refunded when you discover (yet again) that Turn 10 wouldn’t take a leak on your if you were on fire. They refuse to communicate and seemingly have been systematically trying to turn a race game into a version of the SIMs.
For me, the lack of leaderboards and hotlapping destroyed the last lingering hope that Turn10 was really trying to make a game for their fans. But hey, wearing a spiffy suit and being able to open the car door is fundamentally more important to racing than competition and lapping.
Turn10 needs to clear house and start over with fresh staff… maybe keep the cleaning staff… heck, maybe hire the cleaning staff to develop… Can’t do any worse.
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I can deal with everything but the LB and rival. I’m going to wait until the hard launch to see what happens, but as it stands I’m probably going to get a PS4 and/or blue ray player to watch video. I can’t stand how Xbox in general is going. When Xbox came out( including forza) it was all about having freedom to use the systems any way you wanted. Now the trying to forcing you to use a there content they way. Which usually mean forcing to pay more money.
There are so many restrictions and limitations all over the place. There’s a real lack of race modes in freeplay and the career is a half baked and poorly veiled FM 5. Actually, I’m pretty sure FM 5 had more events and races per division so, it’s worse.
That said I love playing it and wish T10 would listen.
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The hate looks like recent trend in games and particularly in Forza. Every year it’s the same - new game comes out then new wave of hate rolls. And yet people preorder and get salty it didn’t deliver to THEIR expectations. For me it’s one of the best Forza games. I started at 4 and played anything since then. Just like every year there are complaints that “season pass” (even that there is no such thing) didn’t contain 7th car pack or “I paid $130 for complete edition (no such thing either) so I should get expansion for free!!!111one”.
This year is no different - people get upset that things change, people get upset things stay the same, people get upset just because.
No one seems to notice we have now weather with options to set different weather during the race with percentage chance for each. No one notices we have rolling starts or different race length in career races. Also many other small improvements that were requested a lot.
Yet a lot of people focus on cars that you CAN’T BUY! Outrage!!! But gues what? They were always in Forza. At least since Forza 4 there were unicorn cars you couldn’t just buy. You just didn’t see them unless you got one. Now they are listed on car collection (brilliant idea IMHO - makes collecting a whole new game).
Also people focus on loot crates like someone is forcing them to use real money. Yes, they are there. Yes you possibly will be able to buy them with real money (with one way or the other), but do you have to?
And the VIP x2 credits. I can get this one; it was surprise for me as well, but on the other hand - please log in to you any other Forza game that you had a VIP and played for a bit and see how many credits do you have? I bet it will be at least 10mil if you didn’t play a lot, more like 100mil if you did. For the first time the credits may have some meaning… 2x bonus at the begining when you need them the most because it will roll after that. With steady credit sink in form of crates. That is good because I will have someting to do for quite a while.
Tiered access to cars is also great idea. No it doesn’t mean you have to grind for 2 months to unlock “the best cars”. I unlocked all tiers over the weekend without really trying, so no countless grinds at all. But I knew I’ll see it in hate posts anyway.
For me it’s great game. Probably the best Forza I have ever played.
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For those of you set on defending the game, let me put it this way.
If the Forza community were making the game:
• FFB would have been fixed long ago
• Tokens (the kind you buy with human money) would have never existed, as the in-game currency would suffice
• All 700 cars (there would actually be 700 unique cars) would be available for purchase from the beginning
• Random “loot crates” or “wheel spins” wouldn’t be the key to unlocking the game
• Deluxe and Ultimate editions wouldn’t exist, because there would be a complete version of the game that wasn’t designed around additional purchases
• 4K HDR at 60fps would be achievable
• Forza 7 would be a driving simulator aligned with its feedback oriented community
Because Turn10 and Microsoft are making the game:
• FFB is finally usable, but not competitive with gamepad
• Tokens are planned for release once the initial hatred for the game structure dies
• There are 59 DLC cars across 8 different packs (guess how many are free)
• The 700 in game cars includes a significant number of duplicates (duplicates count as unique cars in marketing btw)
• Loot crates are the backbone of the game (no more free wheel spins, just paid crates) and are the only way to acquire (a chance at) certain in-game items
• Deluxe and Ultimate editions marketed to mislead the community into paying double for temporary in-game benefits that were previously permanent
• 4K HDR at 60fps is achievable
• Forza 7 is a driving pay-to-win game designed for profitability, micro-transactions and paid DLC
This is yet another example of a prestigious series being run into the ground for profit margins. To be fair, this has been happening since FM4, and many of us have sat back and tolerated the changes until now. For me, it is finally clear that there is no hope for Forza; the game that was once my reason for buying an Xbox 360 has now embraced its demise as a cash grab arcade game. I’m disappointed, frustrated and generally upset about the direction of the game and the disregard for the community.
That’s why all the hate.
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I’m not one to complain for complaining’s sake, but I see a lot of disgruntled people here with a lot of the focus being “T10 doesn’t listen to their customers”. I can’t blame them. I’m a stickler for reading “the fine print” since I work with contracts in my “real” life, so when the VIP package didn’t work like it used to - even though it the description was similar to what’s always been - I was a bit peeved. Not enough to go out and get a refund, but I wasn’t happy that they changed VIP without telling anyone.
Now after a lot of people are complaining, they’ve finally changed the wording on the VIP package - without a note to their customers whose expectations were built on the original wording. A little communication would go a long way.
A lot of the changes that people seem to be complaining about (rightly or wrongly) remind me of the Xbox One launch. MS had done such a good job of convincing themselves that people really wanted a Kinnect to do all kinds of things that MS convinced themselves that people would want, that they made it mandatory that all systems came with a Kinnect. Consumers raised their concerns but MS didn’t listen until people voted with their wallets.
“We’re so convinced you’ll love the Kinnect, we’ve included it with every XB1”
“We don’t want it”
“C’mon, we know what you want more than you do!”
“We don’t want it”
“You’ll really love it. We’re convinced you’ll want it. We know it’s driving the price of the system up $100, but we like it - so you’ll want it.”
“We don’t want it”
“Buy it, you’ll LOVE it, because we love it.”
“We don’t want it”
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(insert chirping crickets)
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“You’re really missing out, but reluctantly, in the name of giving more choices to our customers, we’ll offer an XB1 without Kinnect for a lower price.”
(insert Sony laughing all the way to the bank)
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I will try this too. On the Open Wheel Showcase event, I had to set drivatars to the lowest possible level so I can get out in front of them fastest. For an open wheel division they rammed me off the track more than any other race I can remember. I had to use rewind a couple dozen times to get around the first 4 corners with how many times they crashed into me. At least in F1 the cars are aware of you on the track.
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You need to have played Forza 4 to understand why so many people are frustrated. FM4 showed how great Forza can be, with it’s common-sense campaign mode, wide variety of multiplayer lobbies (including custom lobbies), player-controlled storefront, and player-to-player gifting. Every release since FM4 has removed these features or changed them for the worse. You can say that the physics and graphics are improved, but Forza isn’t just about those two things. Forza has always been a “full package” racing game, offering a wide variety of content that literally anyone can enjoy. When this full package starts diminishing again and again, it makes returning customers question whether they are getting their money’s worth from it. I paid $60 for FM4 and $60 for FM7, but I feel like I’m getting a lot less of a game this time around.
The other problem is lack of communication. Turn 10 do not tell us anything about their games on this website, except for car packs and expansions. Other developers give detailed descriptions whenever they make changes to their game and usually inform us on why they did it, meanwhile T10 are virtually silent when they make updates. The months leading to this game’s release have been strained in regards to communication from T10. Any info we got on the game was given through interviews during game expos which were not published on here, and often T10’s answers were bare minimum and hardly told us much. They don’t tell us why they have removed popular features, nor do they address the biggest complaints from players when asked about them. Their whole demeanor until now has seemed reclusive and frankly uninterested. They are overall very disconnected with their playerbase and make no effort to keep relations afloat. That has big implications in the long-run.
FM4 was the game that made most of us diehard fans. We have the mindframe “they did it once, they can do it again”, yet time and time again we are led to think otherwise. It’s extremely frustrating and disappointing to see a game franchise that you love remove you from the equation, and instead focus on superficial trends that earn short-term profits.
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True for me also. Well said.
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Ive not played Forza since FM4 and this one , bar the bugs and boy there was loads of them in FM4, runs rings around it . The problem with everything was better in the past is that it isn’t true and wasn’t back then either.
As an older gamer this forum makes me despair of gamers nowadays , Many of you are such a bunch of self centred, entitled plebs it makes me quite ashamed.
Who’d be a dev eh ?
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Video games in general on launch day have much less quality than years ago, that issue isn’t unique to PC games.
A lot of the complaints are quite valid, especially considering that this is a full price AAA game and the seventh in it’s series. Forza Motorsport 4 came out 6 years ago and the subsequent FM titles are actually missing some things that made it great, haven’t improved on other parts and haven’t really brought anything new from what I can see.
The state that this game launched in was inexcusable and calling most people that have issues with it “a bunch of self centred, entitled plebs” is ridiculous.
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