Valiant sound

[Speedster996]

@HyperAce59229

@Speedster996

@JONK1969

@Dribbly Midget

@JONK1969

Hey guys,

You’re right that we got the wrong engine sound wired up to the E49 (rumbling V8 instead of the spitting 4 liter 6-pack Hemi it’s supposed to have), bit of a database foul up that we noticed too late to fix before release, but our intent is to address this in a future update.

Amazing to hear.

Whilst you guys are there, could you correct the Pacer sound too? Even if you copy the sound from the likes of the Buick Regal, or the Charger E49

That’s on our radar too - There are valid sound bugs you guys brought up in these forums, some of which we knew about like the Valiant, some we might have missed. Some we might be able to fix in a future update, some we might not be able to fix. Doesn’t mean we’re not listening and logging bugs. We are;)

Jonk, thank you so much for being proactive about this! A little developer feedback and communication with the fans says a lot about your company culture!

Could you please look into these:

• Supra, R34 Skyline, M4 and the new Silvia all share the same sample. They have distinct sounds in the FM games as well as Horizon 2.
• GT350 note has changed drastically since FM6, and it does not sound like the same, deep and rumbly sound from FM6, even at high revs. There’s virtually no off-throttle sound.
• Very little off-throttle sound on the R35 Skyline, 350Z and old school Acura NSX
• No supercharger whine on the Challenger Hellcat
• Modern-day Camaro Z/28 uses a generic “1000 Hp V8 engine swap sound” instead of the distinct and throaty sound from FM6.
• Alfa Romeo Competizione, SLS AMG, C63 Black Series all share the same sound sample
• The AMG GT-R uses the SLS AMG sound sample from FM6
• The AMG GTS has a very loud and “airy” intake + turbo sound from the first person views - you can’t hear the engine/exhaust very well.
• No difference at all between the sound character of a 599xx and FXX-K.
• The Veneno, Aventador, Aventador SV and Centenario all have the exact same sound. I do understand they have very similar engines or in some cases, practically the same engine tuned up a bit, but they do have distinct exhaust sounds IRL - you can clearly tell a Veneno from an Aventador i.e.
• The Zonda R appears to reuse the Vulcan’s sample. The former has a V12 sound that’s quite different from the latter; it’s coarse and shrill like the Vulcan, but the tone and character is distinct.

Oddly, every car that the drivatars or other players use sound exactly right (same sample form FM6) when they drive past you.

Sorry, I know this is a bit of a tall order, but we really appreciate you looking into this Jonk. I love you guys for supporting the franchise. Keep up the excellent work.

You really rock bro… This is exactly what i wanted to post… But Centenario sound is some what different when compared to Veneno or Aventador cuz it has higher RPM range in this game… & BTW all Lexus cars except LFA sounds same & even dull,Rolls royce engine sound is very low to inexistent… 70 % of the cars missing engine cracks & pops… Sadly the sound is the only thing that bothers me,having many cars is great & i accept but if too many cars share same sound then its pure BS… I really wanted many users like this user to focus on fixing car engine sounds… what is this T10/PG? very bad…

Hey man, I’m just trying to get it out there, ya know? I love the franchise and I’ve stuck with it for so long purely for the track driving experience - the physics and sound. Horizon brought that wonderful experience to the open road, though physics were made less nuanced, unfortunately. But its the distinct audio character of each car that gives you such a great sense of ownership as you try out different cars.

The Centenario has a higher rev limiter yes, but the exhaust note exhibits a subtle difference compared to the Aventador and Aventador S. There’s even a subtle distinction between the two Aventadors and the Veneno has a unique tone and character as well. I think what the developer probably though is people wouldn’t notice or just accept the game in its current state - not every fan of the franchise is a high school going teen. There are 30+ and even 40 and 50+ year olds who are pure car lovers, and play the game purely for the way Forza has represented cars throughout its course.

To give you another example, the FM6 exhaust note on the Aventador was nearl;y perfect. In H3, the exhaust sound is more pronounced but the engine whirring can’t be heard properly… also the exhaust crackles from F6 are gone. As you mentioned a handful of car just lost their raw and dirty exhaust sound that was prevalent in FM6, for instance, the Huracan and new R8. Interesting to note: both these cars share the same engine but they sound distinct coming out of different exhaust systems. It’s a very subtle difference but it’s there in FM6. Ironically, they improved the SLS AMG note in H3 so much that it almost makes me not want to drive the F6 version, lol! Now why can’t they give this kind of treatment to EVERY car in the game? I really don’t care about how many cars are in the game, as long as each car has a unique sound that is truly representative of the actual version.

The importance of sound in a car game cannot be stressed enough - which is why I was initially taken aback as I know the PG and T10 guys to have a keen eye and ear for detail when it comes to recreating car sound. They’ve set remarkable benchmarks with past games, so I do not understand why sound was taken lightly in H3. However, I’m pinning this on PG only as it is their game and they do sounds a bit differently than T10 - some cars in fact, sounded noticeably better in Horizon 2 than FM5, although at a lowered volume with less “oomph”.

I do have my hopes up, however, since Jonk has acknowledged some of the issues. I’d be sorely disappointed though (like many others), if the sound issues from day one again go unnoticed in the next CU. Kills my motivation to continue playing the game, and the moment I go back to FM6… instant gratification! I wish the PG team would listen to their own game (Horizon 2) and play extensively through both FM5 and 6 to resolve ALL car sound issues in the game. We’ve patiently waited for a while now, and I feel a major car sound fix supernova is in order.

Here’s hoping mate.

[HyperAce59229]

@Speedster996

@HyperAce59229

@Speedster996

@JONK1969

@Dribbly Midget

@JONK1969

Hey guys,

You’re right that we got the wrong engine sound wired up to the E49 (rumbling V8 instead of the spitting 4 liter 6-pack Hemi it’s supposed to have), bit of a database foul up that we noticed too late to fix before release, but our intent is to address this in a future update.

Amazing to hear.

Whilst you guys are there, could you correct the Pacer sound too? Even if you copy the sound from the likes of the Buick Regal, or the Charger E49

That’s on our radar too - There are valid sound bugs you guys brought up in these forums, some of which we knew about like the Valiant, some we might have missed. Some we might be able to fix in a future update, some we might not be able to fix. Doesn’t mean we’re not listening and logging bugs. We are;)

Jonk, thank you so much for being proactive about this! A little developer feedback and communication with the fans says a lot about your company culture!

Could you please look into these:

• Supra, R34 Skyline, M4 and the new Silvia all share the same sample. They have distinct sounds in the FM games as well as Horizon 2.
• GT350 note has changed drastically since FM6, and it does not sound like the same, deep and rumbly sound from FM6, even at high revs. There’s virtually no off-throttle sound.
• Very little off-throttle sound on the R35 Skyline, 350Z and old school Acura NSX
• No supercharger whine on the Challenger Hellcat
• Modern-day Camaro Z/28 uses a generic “1000 Hp V8 engine swap sound” instead of the distinct and throaty sound from FM6.
• Alfa Romeo Competizione, SLS AMG, C63 Black Series all share the same sound sample
• The AMG GT-R uses the SLS AMG sound sample from FM6
• The AMG GTS has a very loud and “airy” intake + turbo sound from the first person views - you can’t hear the engine/exhaust very well.
• No difference at all between the sound character of a 599xx and FXX-K.
• The Veneno, Aventador, Aventador SV and Centenario all have the exact same sound. I do understand they have very similar engines or in some cases, practically the same engine tuned up a bit, but they do have distinct exhaust sounds IRL - you can clearly tell a Veneno from an Aventador i.e.
• The Zonda R appears to reuse the Vulcan’s sample. The former has a V12 sound that’s quite different from the latter; it’s coarse and shrill like the Vulcan, but the tone and character is distinct.

Oddly, every car that the drivatars or other players use sound exactly right (same sample form FM6) when they drive past you.

Sorry, I know this is a bit of a tall order, but we really appreciate you looking into this Jonk. I love you guys for supporting the franchise. Keep up the excellent work.

You really rock bro… This is exactly what i wanted to post… But Centenario sound is some what different when compared to Veneno or Aventador cuz it has higher RPM range in this game… & BTW all Lexus cars except LFA sounds same & even dull,Rolls royce engine sound is very low to inexistent… 70 % of the cars missing engine cracks & pops… Sadly the sound is the only thing that bothers me,having many cars is great & i accept but if too many cars share same sound then its pure BS… I really wanted many users like this user to focus on fixing car engine sounds… what is this T10/PG? very bad…

Hey man, I’m just trying to get it out there, ya know? I love the franchise and I’ve stuck with it for so long purely for the track driving experience - the physics and sound. Horizon brought that wonderful experience to the open road, though physics were made less nuanced, unfortunately. But its the distinct audio character of each car that gives you such a great sense of ownership as you try out different cars.

The Centenario has a higher rev limiter yes, but the exhaust note exhibits a subtle difference compared to the Aventador and Aventador S. There’s even a subtle distinction between the two Aventadors and the Veneno has a unique tone and character as well. I think what the developer probably though is people wouldn’t notice or just accept the game in its current state - not every fan of the franchise is a high school going teen. There are 30+ and even 40 and 50+ year olds who are pure car lovers, and play the game purely for the way Forza has represented cars throughout its course.

To give you another example, the FM6 exhaust note on the Aventador was nearl;y perfect. In H3, the exhaust sound is more pronounced but the engine whirring can’t be heard properly… also the exhaust crackles from F6 are gone. As you mentioned a handful of car just lost their raw and dirty exhaust sound that was prevalent in FM6, for instance, the Huracan and new R8. Interesting to note: both these cars share the same engine but they sound distinct coming out of different exhaust systems. It’s a very subtle difference but it’s there in FM6. Ironically, they improved the SLS AMG note in H3 so much that it almost makes me not want to drive the F6 version, lol! Now why can’t they give this kind of treatment to EVERY car in the game? I really don’t care about how many cars are in the game, as long as each car has a unique sound that is truly representative of the actual version.

The importance of sound in a car game cannot be stressed enough - which is why I was initially taken aback as I know the PG and T10 guys to have a keen eye and ear for detail when it comes to recreating car sound. They’ve set remarkable benchmarks with past games, so I do not understand why sound was taken lightly in H3. However, I’m pinning this on PG only as it is their game and they do sounds a bit differently than T10 - some cars in fact, sounded noticeably better in Horizon 2 than FM5, although at a lowered volume with less “oomph”.

I do have my hopes up, however, since Jonk has acknowledged some of the issues. I’d be sorely disappointed though (like many others), if the sound issues from day one again go unnoticed in the next CU. Kills my motivation to continue playing the game, and the moment I go back to FM6… instant gratification! I wish the PG team would listen to their own game (Horizon 2) and play extensively through both FM5 and 6 to resolve ALL car sound issues in the game. We’ve patiently waited for a while now, and I feel a major car sound fix supernova is in order.

Here’s hoping mate.

Yep bro,i agree on you for a fact that we can actually distinguish b/w a Aventador & Veneno even though both of them has got the same engine cuz the exhaust note vastly differs. & as you said no racing game is better without some nice sounds. But we only need to pray for that to happen. Lets see how it goes,since till now there was never a fix regarding the car sound in this game on PC.

[TheHuskyGT]

@JONK1969

Hey guys,

You’re right that we got the wrong engine sound wired up to the E49 (rumbling V8 instead of the spitting 4 liter 6-pack Hemi it’s supposed to have), bit of a database foul up that we noticed too late to fix before release, but our intent is to address this in a future update.

Thank you so much for answering. As mentioned, it might seem like an overreaction, but as car guys, little details like these are very important. The Valiant Charger is known for its L6 Hemi. If I may add, there are a few other vehicles that have the same issue. The Nissan Titan has a six cylinder sound, when it has a Cummins V8. The Hummer suffers from this as well, sharing the same L6 diesel sound with the Titan. Another truck would be the 2017 Ford Raptor which sounds like a V8, instead of a V6. The last would be the 2012 Jeep Wrangler, which has been given a V8 sound when it has a Pentastar V6.

This game is now better than ever, I must say. Super smooth performance on PC. Keep up the amazing job!!

[Boss302Aus]

Hi all, just wondering how the E49 could be modeled so beautifully, and yet sound like it has a small block chev? Why no inducion noise from the triple Webber’s? Why no straight 6 wail? What happened here? Thoughts? A long awaited car ruined by the noise…

[DOHC46]

@TheHuskyGT

@JONK1969

Hey guys,

You’re right that we got the wrong engine sound wired up to the E49 (rumbling V8 instead of the spitting 4 liter 6-pack Hemi it’s supposed to have), bit of a database foul up that we noticed too late to fix before release, but our intent is to address this in a future update.

Thank you so much for answering. As mentioned, it might seem like an overreaction, but as car guys, little details like these are very important. The Valiant Charger is known for its L6 Hemi. If I may add, there are a few other vehicles that have the same issue. The Nissan Titan has a six cylinder sound, when it has a Cummins V8. The Hummer suffers from this as well, sharing the same L6 diesel sound with the Titan. Another truck would be the 2017 Ford Raptor which sounds like a V8, instead of a V6. The last would be the 2012 Jeep Wrangler, which has been given a V8 sound when it has a Pentastar V6.

This game is now better than ever, I must say. Super smooth performance on PC. Keep up the amazing job!!

The Raptor’s sound is accurate. Ford designed the exhaust system to exaggerate the bass of the note. Listen closely, and it is clearly too gruff to be a V8.

[TheHuskyGT]

@DOHC46

@TheHuskyGT

@JONK1969

Hey guys,

You’re right that we got the wrong engine sound wired up to the E49 (rumbling V8 instead of the spitting 4 liter 6-pack Hemi it’s supposed to have), bit of a database foul up that we noticed too late to fix before release, but our intent is to address this in a future update.

Thank you so much for answering. As mentioned, it might seem like an overreaction, but as car guys, little details like these are very important. The Valiant Charger is known for its L6 Hemi. If I may add, there are a few other vehicles that have the same issue. The Nissan Titan has a six cylinder sound, when it has a Cummins V8. The Hummer suffers from this as well, sharing the same L6 diesel sound with the Titan. Another truck would be the 2017 Ford Raptor which sounds like a V8, instead of a V6. The last would be the 2012 Jeep Wrangler, which has been given a V8 sound when it has a Pentastar V6.

This game is now better than ever, I must say. Super smooth performance on PC. Keep up the amazing job!!

The Raptor’s sound is accurate. Ford designed the exhaust system to exaggerate the bass of the note. Listen closely, and it is clearly too gruff to be a V8.

Just to make sure. We’re talking about the 2017 V6 Ecoboost Raptor. It’s not about bass or sound quality, or audio equipment. The fact is the truck has been mistakenly given an 8-cylinder sound sample. Very nice sound, but not the sound it should have. I am not sure if you’ve used this truck in the game, but I must note that the A.I-controlled 2017 Raptors do have an accurate 6-cylinder sound, same one that the truck has in FM6.

[Speedster996]

@TheHuskyGT

@DOHC46

@TheHuskyGT

@JONK1969

Hey guys,

You’re right that we got the wrong engine sound wired up to the E49 (rumbling V8 instead of the spitting 4 liter 6-pack Hemi it’s supposed to have), bit of a database foul up that we noticed too late to fix before release, but our intent is to address this in a future update.

Thank you so much for answering. As mentioned, it might seem like an overreaction, but as car guys, little details like these are very important. The Valiant Charger is known for its L6 Hemi. If I may add, there are a few other vehicles that have the same issue. The Nissan Titan has a six cylinder sound, when it has a Cummins V8. The Hummer suffers from this as well, sharing the same L6 diesel sound with the Titan. Another truck would be the 2017 Ford Raptor which sounds like a V8, instead of a V6. The last would be the 2012 Jeep Wrangler, which has been given a V8 sound when it has a Pentastar V6.

This game is now better than ever, I must say. Super smooth performance on PC. Keep up the amazing job!!

The Raptor’s sound is accurate. Ford designed the exhaust system to exaggerate the bass of the note. Listen closely, and it is clearly too gruff to be a V8.

Just to make sure. We’re talking about the 2017 V6 Ecoboost Raptor. It’s not about bass or sound quality, or audio equipment. The fact is the truck has been mistakenly given an 8-cylinder sound sample. Very nice sound, but not the sound it should have. I am not sure if you’ve used this truck in the game, but I must note that the A.I-controlled 2017 Raptors do have an accurate 6-cylinder sound, same one that the truck has in FM6.

And this is precisely one of the points I had made in my previous post that the AI cars sound right while the player’s car has a different (and in many cases, the wrong) sample. However, @SatNiteEduardo believes this is an assumption on my part and/or accusation. Apparently, he likes to play the game on mute.

@Nitro Glitter

Hey everyone,

We are aware of the issue and will be updating you all with more information soon. Thanks for bringing this to our attention!

Nitro, it is good to hear that a fix is being worked on. I hope you guys can look into ALL current car sound issues and roll out a mega fix. We’ve been literally highlighting issues for months. Thanks for looking into it.

[talby71]

@Speedster996

And this is precisely one of the points I had made in my previous post that the AI cars sound right while the player’s car has a different (and in many cases, the wrong) sample. However, @SatNiteEduardo believes this is an assumption on my part and/or accusation. Apparently, he likes to play the game on mute.

this where you went wrong
you never read his post correctly, he agreed with you that the sounds aren’t right
he even followed it up explaining in detail how you read it wrong
maybe read his post again

your assumption is that you think everything is such an easy fix

@SatNiteEduardo

@Speedster996

I wish for once, just for ONCE, people would not come around contesting how one person’s view of the game is so wrong, and how the other is right. This is not a contest. The game has real issues. Anyone with their head not stuck up their rear can acknowledge that.

I would not be surprised at all if you work for T10 by the way.

Sound is wrong = view of the game and a fact, no question

Simple fixes = assumption
A few lines of code = assumption
Problem with MS approval of CU = assumption
Laziness = assumption
No reason the player’s car shouldn’t sound right = assumption

I am not denying there is a problem, there is a problem with sound which has been acknowledged by a Turn 10 employee.

I am saying that why it is there and how easy it is to fix etc is all based on assumptions.

Unless someone can prove that Turn 10 developers are playing solitaire all day or taking 3 hour smokos it is my view that accusations of laziness is poor form.

[lsd265]

I’m really happy the car finally made it into the game. I have a charger and a few other australian valiants all with 265 HEMI’s and yeah the sound is wrong. I didn’t expect them to have a perfect recording of one, but I thought, well if they slap the e-type jag sound on it, it will atleast be sort of there. but a v8 sound is just. whaaaat. anyway as JONK1969 said it was just a little mistake, understandable with all the hotwheels stuff they had to work on. here’s a clip of a valiant pacer with a 265 HEMI engine on the dyno. Dominator Engines Valiant Pacer TNT265 @ Hurstune Automotive - YouTube . the pacer was made before the charger and was the first to have the new hemi 6 cylinder engine. it replaced the slant 6 in australia in 1970.

[xXtReMe_sniP3R]

Great News guys the Valiant Charger is apparently getting a sound fix.

[Stang616]

@xXtReMe_sniP3R

Great News guys the Valiant Charger is apparently getting a sound fix.

LOL, you’re about 4 days too late on this one. Jonk stated that several posts up.

[Speed_Demon996]

Yeah, apparently he’s a little late to the party. chuckles

Hope good ol’ Jonk will look into the other car sound inconsistency issues as well. They’re well documented all over the regular and support H3 forums.

[SDotJeezy]

I bet they only fix the E49, but i hope they prove me wrong

[Kranktus]

@sdotjoseph

I bet they only fix the E49, but i hope they prove me wrong

Why do you care, or have you already left and come back?

[SDotJeezy]

@Kranktus

@sdotjoseph

I bet they only fix the E49, but i hope they prove me wrong

Why do you care, or have you already left and come back?

I left and came back, since I had nothing else to play in the Racing\shooter\sports genres other than NBA 2K17, but once GTS drops, I’ll be gone again. I’m glad to see that you care.

Also to note, I’m not 100% dissatisfied with FH3 as there is one thing that was done that i actually prefer over the motorsport series. In FM6, AWD cars had a tendancy to have no front grip and plow through turns. FH3s AWD cars handle much better.

[Kranktus]

@sdotjoseph

@Kranktus

@sdotjoseph

I bet they only fix the E49, but i hope they prove me wrong

Why do you care, or have you already left and come back?

I left and came back, since I had nothing else to play in the Racing\shooter\sports genres other than NBA 2K17, but once GTS drops, I’ll be gone again. I’m glad to see that you care.

Also to note, I’m not 100% dissatisfied with FH3 as there is one thing that was done that i actually prefer over the motorsport series. In FM6, AWD cars had a tendancy to have no front grip and plow through turns. FH3s AWD cars handle much better.

What makes you think I care? I don’t. I’m just sick of people making ridiculous statements they have no intention of going through with.
You’re not fooling anyone, you’ll buy anything T10 puts out, and ask for more. You can always justify it with a lame excuse like, “there’s nothing else to play” Seriously, is that the best you can come up with?
I think from now on I’ll call you “Supercharger” you both whine (except the Hellcat)

@sdotjoseph

I seriously think that T10/PG is trolling me. I’ve complained about a lack of SC whine on the Hellcats since the FM6 release and now they introduce the Trailcat in the HW Expansion and it still doesnt have the SC sound, but they did give the twin mill a SCd sound. I know most of you dont care but this is it for me. It was a simple fix just to show that they cared but apparently they dont so with that and after 8 Forza Motorsport/Horizon games and now Im ready to move on. Time to see what GTS has cooked up for me.

BTW the HW Expansion is stupid, but i deserve it because i bought the season pass with the second expansion unannounced. Do not beleive them when they said it was unplanned, they knew what they were going to do before release… they knew itll be controversial and wouldnt sell if pre announced. Goodbye Forza it was fun for a while.

-Sdot

[holden4ever]

There’s a 407mb update so hopefully this is fixed.

[JONK1969]

@holden4ever

There’s a 407mb update so hopefully this is fixed.

Not yet, this update was specifically released to fix an issue where players were unable to proceed from the buy Hot Wheels prompt. That’s a game-breaker.

[holden4ever]

@JONK1969

@holden4ever

There’s a 407mb update so hopefully this is fixed.

Not yet, this update was specifically released to fix an issue where players were unable to proceed from the buy Hot Wheels prompt. That’s a game-breaker.

Fair enough. It’s taken years to get the E49 in a racing game so a few more weeks won’t hurt.

[TwinMagician589]

I fixed it myself !
I put the v8 in the car

Before you scream at me:
That was the intention of Chrysler for the next generation of R/T
340 6 pack, new process 4 speed, dana rear end.

They got canned along with the Phase 4 Falcon and XU2 Torana prior to production.
(The 340 motors went into the E55)

Sidenote, why is magenta not included in the factory paints?
And why do the stripes disappear when you paint the car? (it does on the brat and some others too, but on others like the VR GTS HSV the decals stay when you paint it) it cant be a licencing thing can it? Chrysler Australia is long gone?

Either way, after 20 hours I have recreated the stripe set, I now have a magenta V8 R/T E58, complete with the intended 340 six pack decals, (I had a peek at the unreleased artwork when I worked there and used my photographic memory to create them here). dam i wish they made them!

PS: if anyone wants me to share the stripe set so they can recreate a bathurst car or whatever give me a shout online, its not in my storefront. They are not 100% as the editor does not allow a suitable resolution for the fine lines but they are sufficient.