Why do we keep putting ourselves through this?

Forza Horizon Forza Horizon 5 FH5 Discussion
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So, totally pi$$ed off with the absolute steaming pile that is Horizon 5 last month.

So much wrong with it, so many problems. So much broken and stressing us out for what an awful lot of us paid an awful lot of money for.

Every single week, something new to annoy and stress us out.

The monthly a total washout as so many problems just broke everything. No chance of ‘anyone’ completing the monthly, let alone getting 100%, yes, some of us ‘are’ completionists, and you know what, that is ‘perfectly’ acceptable. You don’t want to do everything 100%? That’s fine. Stop trying to slam those of us who ‘do’ want to 100% things!

Walked away from the game in the last week because it was just too much stress and I pay money for enjoyment, not the absolute s*** show that is this abortion of a game.

Play some things that I actually enjoy for a few days and think, “I must get back and try and help out with the ‘community’ stuff”… so you load up this ‘thing’ again, several days into the season because you had 0 intention of playing the game for ‘fun’ anymore.

Surbloominprise… things are ‘still’ in the same absolute mess they were when you left a week ago.

Treasure hunt? Oh, if you happened to have already played the game, you cannot join in.

I will ‘only’ come back now, or do anything when called for by the monthlys.

Well done Turn 10 et al, you managed to con an awful lot of people out of an awful lot of money! This should be illegal.

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I mostly agree, but for the record, it’s Playground Games that’s to blame. T10 doesn’t actually deserve the blame for this one.

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I’m a bit more patient. I can wait a few months for them to fix the game.

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Nothing to do with being ‘patient’.

We’re in 2021, it wasn’t ridiculous to expect a game to work properly even in 2001.

If all your stories about your previous lines of work are true you more than anyone should know to expect better of a title that’s supposed to display the reasons why people should be buying not just the game itself but an Xbox over a PS.

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I had enough problems with the PS3 never to buy another Sony product ever again… so I didn’t.

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Not an attack on your directly but this attitude perplexes me.

I paid $100 for a product, it is far from finished, on series x I’ve had a lot of crashes and lost progress and the game was released on 11/4. It is broken in many aspects, just browse the first two pages on this forum, almost all negative.

In what other industries is it ok to pay full price for a product that’s a work in progress and having to wait months for it to work as advertised. This is what FH5 did. We have every right to be mad at the state of the game and the radio silence from the developers is deafening.

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Well… Forza Horizon 1, Forza Horizon 2, Forza Horizon 3, Forza Horizon 4… with all this exp, they can just turn on any xbox and test before release broken things?

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Like I said - they’ve been doing it for years so why can’t they get it right out of the box?
Doing it for years now seems to be more of a - yes they’ve been releasing a broken game for years - though this one has to go down in history as the most broken release ever.
Maybe that’s just another reward their looking to add to their list whilst they count the cash from all the mugs who bought a beta and let them provide the fixes back to them.

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The game is still playable for me despite the never ending list of bugs.

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If I’m being honest, we shouldn’t blame the dev team necessarily. It’s more often pressure from the publishers to push the games out finished or not. I’m fairly sure most game programmers aren’t looking to release a bugged, broken game. Unfortunately the higher ups these days seem to tell them, “this game is releasing on November 9th, finished or not.”

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That is true. Development was probably heavily affected by the pandemic. But the leads at PG may also have underestimated the impact and not reacted in time, thinking they could crunch more effectively than was realistic to iron out the bugs. Also, while they’re a first party developer they might have felt that getting the product out on schedule was important for future projects.

Now they have bugs of a magnitude where a hotfix can break something else even worse because the fix itself has not been tested enough.

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That list of reported bugs would have me signing myself into hospital with PTSD if I was the dev responsible for sorting it.

…and that’s just the ones that have been reported.

Like you say, the fixes are more likely to cause more problems (a bit like something else going on in the world ATM).

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Careful - hidden but probably still noticable to the Mods.

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They do what they can in the little time they get, but still, you need to be a really really bad dev/coder to keep ignoring issues and/or not being able to fix them, i mean, really.

Ive been a coder for decades, and at this point, 90% of the dev team would have been fired ages ago.

And finally, the CUSTOMERS. Companies know gamers these days buy everything, even if its half broken. It has been happenning since many years ago.
So they dont really bother to worry about bugs, its way cheaper, easier and faster to avoid polishing and rush a broken product when you know its going to be a success no matter what (money numbers).

So, again, and people dont learn, if you dont want this to keep happening, next time dont buy any frikkin videogame, period.
Or you will be telling them that you are ok with the terrible state of the videogaming industry these days.

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It’s called Stockholm syndrome.

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[Edit - MM]

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You might need to be cautious on this.
Though I agree all things should be on merit rather than just filling a quota.

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Yeah, heat of the moment and all that, so now edited, but cannot edit the quote of my post. LOL

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Or Sunk-Cost Fallacy, same idea but less gruesome.

If a game stops being fun, stop playing. Nobody’s forcing people to stay.

If you didn’t get your money’s worth, either request a refund (if eligible) or consider this a learning experience for the next time a game is on sale.

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100%
Every week there’s at least 1 or two bugged events - ridiculous that PGG have been doing this for so many years but still release a bugged game, regardless of whether they were told to or not.
If they knew what they were doing, they would have fixed it beforehand and told the Big Bosses to shove it cos they must have known the harm this Pile of “Mess” would affect their reputation and ultimately any future releases.

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