FH needs a big change and perhaps it’ll be made by a different studio, who knows? Might even see the name changed to something other than Horizon but retaining ‘Forza’ for its clout. I love to speculate and I love other people’s conjectures. Keep ‘em coming.
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Having a good game, I don’t see the need to create another motorsport with a number at the end, but turning it into a race room or iracing is too serious for all xbox players.
I want to play on circuits like real racing, but I think that losing the nice road cars, the photography and other more casual aspects would not be right.
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If AMS2 and ACC came out with a slightly easier version FMx wouldnt have anyone left to follow it.
T10 does keep giving them time to think about it though.
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Some comments are pathetic. I know every single forza development from forza 2 and i clearly remember the people complained that forza went out every 2 years and therefore something was always missing. came out forza 5 all to complain about the few cars and tracks despite being of the new generation and came out at the launch of xbox one. what we have seen of Forza 8 leaves you speechless considering that it comes out on the new generation. then there are those who dare to praise gt7…very sad the amount of hate and trolling…
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what we have seen of Forza 8 leaves you speechless
Not really, other than the minor graphical bump and ray tracing it’s not that exciting at the moment.
Speechless? More like we’re too tired to make speeches anymore about the state of it all.
GT7 looks fantastic, but I’ve no idea how it plays. I’m concerned that it isn’t fun enough.
FM8 looks fantastic, but I’ve no idea how it plays. I’m concerned that it won’t be FM4 enough.
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Of course the new Forza Motorsport won’t be great enough.
the fact that so few even bother to get angry anymore should be very worrying for t10. and even fewer defend the game.
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There’s a limit how long you can stretch a rubber band before it snaps. Same with patience.
I have been hopeful and patient, but that ended in January. If we eventually get new FM - good. If not - meh. The whole Xbox Game Studios gang is a mess right now. All talk, barely any substance.
rdo3 summed up the situation pretty neatly.
GT7 had a long development period as well, but the game was flop of the year for me.
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I was speechless that since June 2019 when T10 officially stopped working on fixing Motorsport 7 and started on the new game the only thing they have discussed in detail are the visuals.
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Post Red Fall release, how is everyone feeling about the Forza Motorsport reboot now? For me the game went from needing to get that Forza mojo back, to being a litmus test on Microsoft’s handling of its game studios and intellectual properties.
Now, one lame duck shouldn’t be a cause for concern but, from my perspective MGS’s issues began to come to light with Halo Infinite’s launch. That game was not ready to sell. Then hearing how the “AAAA” studio The Initiative is nothing more than a vertical slice creator, and that 343 turned into a revolving door of talent, had me scratching away my last few follicles of hair wondering what is happening with MGS games?
Forza’s January showcase didn’t instill any confidence in the title for me. The reveal made all the things Chris Esaki said about the title, into the same lip-service level nonsense that his predecessor said about FM3 being a game built on top of a hard-core simulator. I admit, I was a bit too blinded by fan-boyism to notice that blown smoke from D. Greenawalt, but with Esaki, the Spoder senses were all types of tingling. (Yes Gooby, Spoder senses! Why you do this?)
Again, Turn 10 has to prove all is well with this new title because, at this point; I am fully prepared for the worst. Looking at other titles coming from MGS, and Microsoft’s need to buy studios and publishers in order to shovel more games into Gamepass, rather than building the games people would want to get the service for, they’re not looking so good.
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The more I see what’s happening with MGS, the more I’m starting to think FM’s success is actually quite crucial – at least I hope that it is. Redfall failed; H:I had a rocky start; we’ll se what happens with Starfield but it seems to me that if there’s an issue there, you’d think MGS would need its – to quote Magnus Walker – “Next Big Thing” to hit.
Or maybe it doesn’t, and that’s the scary part. If MGS is happy to just let another game drop and succeed based solely on its brand equity and reap the rewards in the form of a subsequent GP subs boost, that is a bad sign for the future of gaming. Why? Because It makes the whole gaming side of MS’ empire seem like little more than at best a quantity over quality situation, or at worst a loss-leading rounding error. And that’s not good.
Redfall isn’t just a failure - it shouldn’t have even made it to release. That game may very well be this generation’s Superman 64. For the life of me, I don’t know why people put any stock in Bethesda anymore. They’re EA, if EA suddenly stopped caring (I said what I said, so think about that for a minute).
In regards to Forza…yeah, the game’s going to have to be a smash. It’s going to have to do numbers. Gran Turismo numbers. Gran Turismo on PS1/PS2 numbers. Metal Gear Solid numbers. Avengers: Endgame numbers. And I don’t know that the market is there for that kind of performance, even if the game launches flawlessly and it genuinely is a new standard-bearer not just for the genre, but for the XBox itself. Frankly, that last part is a giant problem all on it’s own, because this game cannot have a bad launch. It can’t come out the gate broken, janky, and all messed up. It can’t come out to a bunch of people realizing that the product presented is just leftovers reheated beyond the point of viability, because once the paid-for reviews cycle through, the reviews that don’t act as glorified advertisements are going to make that plain very quick.
This game has to launch perfectly. Show of hands who thinks that’s actually going to happen.
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Opinions on fm8 seem to be souring by the day, for those who aren’t xbox superfans anyways. The June segment had better be juicy.
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I think they’re having major issues with this game for whatever reasons and i don’t see it having a great launch. Its also a gamepass game now which pretty much guarantees it’ll be a mess. Unfortunately for turn 10 the casuals are going to stick to horizon leaving their game to be doa.
I believe with the state that Microsoft exclusives are in turn 10 shouldve been showing a lot more than they have thus far but they can’t because they don’t have much to show. Theyre not building hype by keeping things close to the vest, theyre simply delaying the inevitability that people will see theyve wasted 6 years on a shinier fm7 with less content.
As a long time player and fan of this series i find it sad that its come to this. There was no reason to let this game die this way theyve had every opportunity over the past 10 years to make something great yet theyve continued to leave their heads buried in the sand.
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That’s where managing expectations comes into play, and that pendulum swings both ways. Turn 10 hasn’t done nearly enough, despite repeated claims that their new game is “built from the ground up.” They’ve repeated that so often that one has to wonder if they’re trying to convince themselves more than they want to convince their audience. And yet, they’ve offered little else to that audience outside of an absurd focus on graphics. So little is known about content and gameplay mechanics that expectations have effectively run rampant and unchecked.
“But we’ve told you that you’ll be able to run a full weekend and change tire compounds! Also, we’ve revealed some cars and how they run on a tire model that has Eight Points Of Contact!”
“Yes, that’s nice. But how does any of that work? How will the XBox Series X handle all of this? And we have several other questions, too. Like why you removed cars from that partial list just days after advertising them, yet continue to-”
“UMHEREENJOYTHISRAYTRACINGMONTAGEOFOURSANDSTAYTUNEDWE’LLHAVEMOREINTHECOMINGMONTHSBYEEEEEEE!” Cue multiple detonations of smoke grenades.
They can’t hide forever. And now that their backup is dropping like flies, Turn 10 has to be flawless. It’s situations like these where being honest about what you got saves your hide, and not hiding from people or talking mad hype. The time for Turn 10 to be that was in January. Really, it was in June of last year. But, they didn’t, so here we are. And honestly, I think they’re screwed.
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It’s comically depressing how terrible they’ve been at speaking with us, they’ll probably keep hiding during this month’s monthly
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My guess is that FM8 development is in the same sort of mess. Spencer’s interview the other day let the cat out of the bag about how the Xbox division has been terribly mismanaged by himself. I’ll be surprised if he remains in his job for much longer, and if he doesn’t jump then he should be pushed.
Spencer doesn’t actually think quality games matter, they just want people to subscribe to game pass, like people subscribe to Microsoft Office. The difference is that Office has no real competitors whereas there is strong competition in the gaming market from Sony, Nintendo and on PC. Without a regular flow of quality first party games there is no compelling reason to buy an Xbox or to get game pass. Why is Microsoft even in the gaming business? It isn’t to make great games, Phil Spencer himself said this in his disastrous interview. Microsoft’s strategy isn’t to innovate, it’s to dominate. He doesn’t want to make great games so people choose to come to Xbox, he wants to buy up the market so people can’t play games like Call of Duty anywhere else. Thank god for the CMA pulling the rug out from under that nonsense.
There is something rotten in the state of Xbox management. The exodus of developers from Playground Games was another troubling sign of that. Don’t expect FM8 to be very good. Turn 10 is from the same school of make big promises but don’t deliver on them. We will get another mediocre game with slightly improved graphics from FM7, that will be it.
At this rate, Microsoft will not be in the console business in ten years. Maybe not in the gaming business at all.
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Sony PS has only advantage is released before Xbox consoles. Im pc player i didnt buy any consol but its my opinion. Microsoft has windows since 1995 if game developers and studios focused just for Pc players there wouldnt be any comparement between Xbox and PS i think it was the big mistake for game developers. Xbox wins or PS lose i dont care. Only victorious side here is pc players. in my opinion Consoles wont be the best gaming machine for eternity. But some people developers producers company owners etc. expecting high income from consoles. Who started the game pass or member kind of thing i dont know but it is the worst thing for companies and probably It will bring the end of gaming market.
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