Twin turbo V6 European tuned sports coupe != musclecar
Also, I’m pretty sure that a stock BMW I8 does not backfire
Yea but according to forza the United States doesnt make “super saloons” or “sports cars”, they obviously dont have too many car fanatics actually working on the games.
I agree, the popping is excessive and at times annoying. So is the music. So are the drivatars.
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Neither are the Z06 (or any Corvette for that matter), Viper (every version of it), GT350, CTS V, and HSV GTS.
Mustangs are Muscle cars, (pony cars are a division of muscle cars) so yes, the GT350 is a Muscle car.
Actually the GT350R along with the 15 Z28 belong in the Track Toys category
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No they don’t. The Track Toys category is for cars like the Ultima and Ariel Atom. The GT350 and Z28 are right where they belong.
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Yeah except the GT350 competes with cars like the GT3, M4 GTS, etc. Technically I would say it’s a muscle car, but honestly the current Mustang and Camaro are more sports orientated (more so the Camaro) and keep up pretty well with other sports cars.
Also while we’re on the subject, GM has some of the best chassis engineers on the planet.
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I think the ATS-V fits best in the muscle car category. I know, someone’s going to want to post “BUTT DOHC YOUR DUM, TERBO V6 IS NO MUSCLECAR” and I’d say, “Be quiet you pot-smoking hippy. GN-X.” (Insert laugh track here.)
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So…youre saying that the BMW M4 is also best defned as a musclecar as well??? Honestly the only diff between the 2 is design and badge
I was making a joke, and pointing out that there are cars that are unquestionably still “Muscle Cars” that use forced-induction V6s. Also, the M4 and ATS-V drive differently. The M4 doesn’t get as rowdy in stock form as the ATS-V does. Way to take my comment out of context.
C’mon now.
M4 and AT-S…while being competition is not the same car LOL. You drive a Mopar, I would at least think you have enough sense to differentiate between GM and Eurotrash :lol:
Not literally the same, but the same formula. Turbo 6 cyl, RWD, Nurburgring Tuned, etc. Heck, GM used the M3 as a baseline during ATS-V development.
They aren’t the same car, but you do realize the ATS V was built to compete against the M4, right? There really should be a “Sports Coupe/Modern Sports Cars” class.
What this game lacks from the very start is a car division called “American sports cars” where at least all the Corvettes should belong, seeing those in a muscle car category has been a joke from day one.
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Well there is an Asian Sports Car category, as well as a European Sports Car category…so that’s a good idea, but there’s always blueprint there for a reason.
100% this as the Cobras and Vipers also belong here.
The Cobra was British but hey!
The classes only really matter when racing stock. Upgrading results in all sorts of Frankensteins so the starting class is academic.
The point here is not what T10/Playground see as being a sports car, muscle car, modern this or GT that but what each of us think they actually are. Strictly speaking, the muscle car was only ever a bog standard family saloon or coupe fitted with the largest engine in the corporate parts bin. This in fairness is quite uniquely American because elsewhere manufacturers chose to tune smaller engines instead. But does that mean that the Sunbeam Tiger or MGB GT V8 were muscle cars. No, they were sports cars with heavy V8s up front. The dividing line is always going to be grey and subjective.
Personally I’ve always thought I knew what a Super car was. Apparently not, because now we have Hyper cars. Like what the **** is one of those 
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The AC Cobra was British. The Shelby Cobra, which is the one in Forza, was American. AC provided the body, Shelby and Ford provided the V8.
Ford makes EcoBoost V4 Mustangs and still considers them “muscle cars”. Personally, I don’t see the necessity of a differentiation.
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Ecoboost is inline 4 not v4 bruh