My bad. Still, a four cyliner muscle car…
Actually I dont know of anyone who considers a 4cyl mustang or v6 camaro a musclecar. Of the big 3 rwd coupes,I’d only consider the Challenger a muscle car while the Camaro and Stang have grown up to become Sports cars.
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Sadly I know people that call their EcoBoost Mustangs “muscle” cars. V6 models are different, but an I4/V4 muscle car? Come on, now.
When you remove the V8 from these cars and use a 6 or 4 cylinder, they become sports coupes. And just for the sake of relaying information, no modern car uses a v4 engine layout, the last production vehicle to have a v4, short of a few rally homologation vehicles and the 2014 porsche 919 Le mans prototype, was in the mid 70’s. Some higher end motorcycles use a v4 but no cars that i am aware of. Unless you count cylinder de-activation in some modern v8’s.
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The V4 thing is a pet peeve of mine. I guess some folks don’t understand that the letter in front of the number coincides with cylinder arrangement. But to be fair in the US nobody really says i’ve got an I4, we usually just say 4 cylinder, and when a car has a 6 cyl we usually say V6 even if its a BMW which has an I6, But we always put the V before 6 and 8 and just say 4 cyl when its a 4. for 12s we say v12 even if its a W12. Good ol fashioned american laziness at its finest.
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Agreed, i’m an American and it bothers me when other “enthusiasts” use the wrong terminology when it comes engines. I’m a major car nerd and people flinging around misinformation really bothers me.
Personally I dont think there is such a thing as a Modern muscle car, ‘Muscle’ for me only belongs to the big dirty V8 straightliners the Yanks built before the fuel crisis.
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This! And seeing as how I am 64 years young I grew up driving them. Big HP motor, lot’s of noise, stop light to stop light.
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The Cobra is the Cobra. Shelby just tucked a bigger engine in them to go racing under the Ford banner. AC never build an engine and every Cobra produced ran either Ford or Bristol engines. The car just suddenly can’t change nationality 
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The SHELBY Cobra is American. The AC Cobra is British. That is exactly as it marketed, just like Lexus being Lexus in the States and Toyota in Japan.
So technically, yes the Cobra is British, but for marketing and sales purposes the Shelby Cobra is American.
We’re deviating off topic so my last post re: the Cobra.
Carroll Shelby was the US importer of ACs. The cars were designed and built in the U.K including the V8s. It was only the endurance racers that Shelby endowed with larger engines and these were fitted stateside with financial backing from Ford. The reason the engines were fitted stateside for their first competitive outing was that Ford failed to get the engines delivered to the factory on time and the chassis had to be delivered without the engines.
The Cobra is British. It’s irrelevant who imports, sells or relabels a product.
Ford don’t have a very good track record really. Even the GT40 is British.
Lexus by the way is sold worldwide. It’s just the prestige brand of Toyota and most if not all markets have both.
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Do what I did. Swap naturally aspirated V8 into this. Then realise it’s still some modern crap and continue driving real muscles from 60s - 70s era. Profit!
And BTW, I finally noticed what others noticed while ago, some cars sound exactly the same even when they just shouldn’t. It’s a shame.
Well Forza has always played to the nationality car stereotype, American cars are always muscle cars, just a people always incorrectly call Japanese cars JDM. A BMW can be JDM, just as the 240SX is USDM and the new Civic Type R is UKDM, although I may be wrong as its hard to tell as T10 always give UK cars KM/H on the digital speedo which is wrong (Eg the TG Astra, Suzuki Liana).
Now a muscle car is a large family car (mostly American) with a big engine, a Dodge Coronet or Pontiac GTO. Even a Mustang isn’t a muscle car. To me its like calling every British car a British Roadster/Small sports car, Corsa VXR, Small British roadster, Jaguar XFR, Small British roadster, Bentley Bentayga etc. or like classing every French car as a pile of garbage, actually that would be correct…Just a joke, you know what people on the interweb are like these days.
Now its not too much of an issue with the blueprint system but in Forza 6 and 7 if a similar system isn’t Implemented, racing cars similar to each other is impossible.
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Incorrect,
Muscle cars are almost always two doors, with a large V8 and still has room for four passengers. Pony cars, (Mustang, Camaro, Challenger, Barracuda, Javelin and Firebird) are just a sub genre of Muscle cars.
The line between a pony car Mustang and a muscle car Mustang becomes blurred with cars like the GT500.
Either way, the Mustang is still a muscle car.
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A “muscle car”, to me personally, is any car that places priority on engine size with almost no attention paid to anything else. Muscle cars are the body builders of the car world. They look pretty, they sound impressive at first glance, but once you get them out on a track, they’re not quite as spiffy-looking as they were just standing pretty on a podium. A lot of older American sports cars took this approach, as well as some modern ones like the new Challenger.
I agree that some of Forza’s classifications are weird.
But I would like to remind everyone in this thread that there is no set definition of what a muscle car is. There is no single arbiter, no committee, no governing body that assigns cars to certain categories. The same goes for the whole “supercar versus hypercar” debate, which is very similar. There is no official distinction between pony cars and muscle cars either. We can use historical context to draw some lines, but for the most part such names are all completely arbitrary.
Within the scenario of Forza, this lack of distinction can be problematic. The ATS-V is not meant to compete with the Mustang, Camaro, or Challenger, but with the BMW 3 and 4 series, which are not classified as “muscle cars” within the game. Thus the problem arises.
The Corvette is in the same category as an ATS-V.