Honest discussion about the public reception of this game and the community

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There’s been a gradual shift at Playground Games though, particularly in the last year. Horizon 5 was firmly in the same position that Motorsport 2023 is now - a soulless, aimless exercise in rampant commercialization, and nowhere was that more evident than in the updates that came towards the end of it’s first year, with Extreme E and the 10th Anniversary being especially egregious.

Then Mike Brown left.

Since then, the tables have been gradually turning. The content we’ve been getting has been improving. The team members who show off that stuff every month is more into things. It feels like they’re not trying to sell the game anymore, but make it better instead, and this new update seems to be the biggest step in that player-focused direction in Horizon 5’s entire lifecycle. I’m not going to lie and say that Horizon 5 is perfect now, because it’s still far from that. But I’m also going to give credit where it’s due, and with the moves they’ve been making in the last few months, Playground Games is in a much better position than they were a year ago.

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one thing was that he left
but at the same time the second dlc was released

then the gradually turning began

I think it has also to do with development resources.

And the same is with FM. We don’t know the internal content/track release plan
but nothing will happen until they have fullfilled the internal release plan.
Maybe after the nordschleife release they start to work on the high voted topics in the SuggestionsHub.

they will stick to the plan like the musicians on the titanic

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“Everybody’s got a plan until they get punched in the mouth,” said one Mike Tyson.

Turn 10’s looking like Gene Fullmer right now.

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Might be time to try some improvisation, if you ask me.

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Duuuuude ya gotta stop with the sports references, no one at T10 knows what sports are. :rofl:

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I’m not that much of a sports geek. That image just happens to be the basis of one of my favorite album covers.

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Well again. Communication about development to your customer cannot build a better game. Never has, never will. Outside of some niche open source game development project, Communicating your development will only ever be selling the game to people. CIG in my example goes into excruciating detail about the various aspects of their development process on a weekly basis, what features they’re working on, and how they’re working on them, on top of this, they go into detail about the tools they’ve made and are using to develop the game. This does nothing for the customer, but sell them on the game.

I think you’re getting feature feedback mixed up with communication. The only thing out of this conversation that could meaningfully benefit the game in the end is communicating the intentions of a feature, and then receiving critical feedback on that feature. That is the only part of this thats a two way street that has anything to do with benefiting the end product.
And even then. The consensus of the consumers are not always the best way to do things.

The other thing about the whole “We need better communication” crowd is that those clamoring often outshine the discussion about wanting a better game altogether. As if them giving out roadmaps are going to somehow help the game become better, Which IS a hilarious cope. As I said. the only thing what you’re asking for does is instill false hype and hope that, at best, can be met, and at worst, and most often, instill more resentment towards the studio when they’re not met.
But as we all know, once you’re in, its very hard to get out. Theres so many franchises people still play out of spite. And that ‘carrot on a stick’ that underlines most “Live service” games is a major contributor.

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It’s funny you should bring up boxing. I’ve been thinking the past couple days that Turn 10 could learn a lot from Fight Night: Champion.

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I still fire that bad boy up, and run out a career once in a while

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I think a Presidential style announcement admitting errors and lots of scoffing of humble-pie ain’t on the table. The marketing is so staggeringly at odds with what was delivered, they are really just not going to do that. They’ll keep themselves scarce.

I suppose it’s simple really. Either ‘footfall’ dwindles to such a degree that Microsoft puts this title on life support or they turn it around with some really dazzling updates. PG did a turn around with some strong content in the last year and T10 now need to perform greater deeds yet again.

It sounds plausible they had to redo the game 2/4 years into development for whatever reason and what was delivered was a rushed game that only got two years attention. That seems to fit what we are dealing with as far as educated guesses go

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The only thing “it sounds” is that they’ve made a bad game…that’s it

There isn’t any other conclusion…that’s as simple as that.

Whatever the reason (bad or… bad in any case) there is no excuse for such a poor 2023’s quality product …announced as “THE” racing game…
I won’t even talk of that “award” simulacrum…just showing how sick and voluntarily blind is becoming the entire video game industry…
“shame” is the only word that fits here…the worst part being that everyone knows it…

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Community good. Game bad. It’s pretty simple.

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I know posters on this forum… Including me… Are furious for FM winning “Sports/Racing Game of the Year” at the Game Awards. But the reality is it will dupe some poor parents, aunts and uncles to buy their child, nieces or nephews FM, because all they know is “Forza is a good racing game” without knowing anything about this latest entry.

Forza, the brand, at this point in time, has the mass market appeal of Grand Theft Auto. You don’t have to have actually have played any of the games to know it’s something big, and popular. And that’s all Xbox and MS care about, sadly. Not the quality of the actual product.

This is very relevant to this discussion because if we’re going to be (brutally) honest, none of the 50 video essays on YouTube, that are basically preaching to the choir about how bad FM is… Matter.

They don’t matter.

They don’t matter to non-hardcore gamers, or non-die hard fans of the series which includes the parents, aunts and uncles and casual gamers because all they hear is “Forza” and they equate that with assumed quality. And why not?

Maybe their kid(s), or friends actually used to heap legitimate praise on the previous games because they deserved it. But not this one. But again, that doesn’t matter because reputation alone means more than the product itself when it comes to the masses compared to the hardcore enthusiasts. This applies to any hobby, or industry, right or wrong.

I wish I could be more “positive”, but since this topic is about the real perception of FM outside these forms and the general Forza Community… I don’t know what else to say?

For example, it comes back to the discussion surrounding the car leveling system.

Hardcore players hate it. But non-hardcore players seem to be more indifferent about it than anything else?

They actually don’t hate it. Some enjoy it, but they aren’t praising it, either. It’s something that exists, and to play the game, they have to engage in it. It’s just there. That’s the reality for a lot of the reactions I’m seeing outside these forums, Reddit, Discords, etc. regarding that specific element.

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Is there any positive thread in this forum? Come on T10 look around. Get some people in here and get involved with your customers.

WAKE-UP

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As I’ve noticed throughout the posts, the long time players, those of us from the days of FM1, those, as you say, “hardcore” players, and otherwise oldtimers to Forza. We are the most put off by this shambles of a game. Mostly those new players who don’t have history with the franchise who just don’t seem to care about the status of the game. They’re ok with whatever T10 puts out as long as they have something.

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DIITTO!!

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I’m not a new player and playing forza since FM3 and I’m ok with the game because i like multiplayer side and playing it nearly every day right now.

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Those who want racing usually have ACC.
FM promised to have outstanding graphics.

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still not seen you write a single post that isn’t criticising the community of players.

Every single time somebody posts their opinion you pop up to tell them why they are a whining child.

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First: read
second: understand
third: answer

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I’m certainly enlightened by this reply thank you.

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