And we still do not have access to every variant of the available tracks in free-play or private MP lobbies.
Drop the FoMo from the single-player campaign. It is an atrocious, player-hostile mechanic that does nothing to encourage me to play the game more. Once an ‘event’ is over, just put those cars for sale in the auto show.
And would it really be all that difficult to put some kind of icon or text in the vehicle stats page to show us what kind of tire is currently equipped on a car?
For me this game is just a sandbox that allows me to race with my best friend. I only play career so that I have credits to buy and tune cars how I want, and to race them with my friend. I will not dive into the cesspool that is MP -unless ghosted lobbies are available.
Really hope to see the FOMO atrocities disappear for good. Someone even created a poll around FOMO many months back and it returned mostly in the negative - everybody wants it gone!
I want the track layouts too and the proper car sounds that should have been in the game from day one.
If a person wanted ghosted lobbies, they should just take random ghosts from rivals and populate a custom lobby just for that person. Who needs realtime racing?!
And most circuit racing organizers tend to frown upon participants full-sending it into other racers at 80 mph beyond all known possible corner speeds.
The problem is, as with many other video game communities, this one is collectively too immature to handle realistic or even respectful racing. Ghosted lobbies should be the norm, not the exception. If you want full-contact, you should either have to organize it yourself in private lobbies or prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that you are capable of handling it in heavily-moderated public lobbies.
There are definitely solutions to the problem that don’t involve fundamentally altering the game such that the most fun part (a good battle for position) goes away.
I would have to second ghosted lobbies arent the answer, if anything it hinders players learning any sort of race craft.
If turn 10 actually implemented and applied skill and safety ratings properly from the start, things wouldve been better. These systems need larger player bases to work properly but they do work. Unfortunately that time has passed.
As far as a solution now that these rating systems are all but useless, i think theres things they can do to promote cleaner racing at least. I think real time penalties rather than time added at the end would help. I think some sort of clean race bonus of a decent amount of credits could also help.
I think there should be harsher penalties for players who continually crash into other players. Since their penalty system unfortunately cant be trusted a simple contact counter could be implemented. Obviously contact happens to clean racers but im sure averages can be worked out to see what players exceed that threshold on a consistent basis.
I dont think theres one silver bullet that will solve this problem, every online racing game suffers from it. But forza is literally known for it which just shows how little turn 10 have done to address this compared to other developers.
I think it’s a solve-able problem too, but it remains far from solved.
Racing games (including this series) have been around for decades, but they’ve all done very little to substantially improve actual racing.
We get graphics, audio, physics, cars, & tracks, but the racing aspect remains highly problematic in terms of sportsmanship & rules enforcement.
Imagine if other sports games like FIFA & Madden often allowed players & AI/NPCs to face-punch, groin-kick, scratch, bite, choke, & eye-gouge their way to scoring & winning with little regard for sporting regulations.
…That’s where most racing games (including this series) have remained after decades.
I completely agree that always-on ghosting is essentially just group hot-lapping that eliminates the art of racecraft, but carnage also eliminates racecraft, and none of these games do much (if anything) to teach & encourage racecraft & sportsmanship.
At least with ghosting, it’s still a competition of who can drive better to reach the finish line faster.
…but with ramming, it’s often a competition of who can drive worse to take opponents out of the race.
Couldn’t agree more. I personally don’t know what would actually solve the problem, but anything that takes the racing out of a racing game is going to alienate the people we should all want to keep around.
And that’s my point. All ghosting is going to do is keep a Zanardi passes Herta moment from turning into a Sting Ray Robb vs. Romain Grosjean moment.
People seem to forget that getting those world-championship moments of super-hard, super-close racing requires everyone, and I do mean everyone, to be on the ball both on-track and off. Last time I checked, this game is still on Game Pass and it’s still excessively hard to report problem drivers for their behavior. Hell, filing a police report might be easier than reporting a player here. Now imagine having to do that up to every other race. At that point, I’m taking WOPR up on that chess game offer.
History has repeatedly shown we cannot expect the masses to know or respect the rules & etiquette of motorsport, and it’s a fundamental flaw in racing games when breaking the rules often wins out over following the rules.
I don’t like always-on ghosting, but I think carnage is even worse.
…So, if the only 2 options are ghosting & carnage, I’d prefer ghosting over carnage.
I think the far better 3rd option is for racing games to do much better at incentivizing & enforcing sportsmanship, but that seems to be an area racing game companies are unable or unwilling to improve upon much.
…The “best” this game attempts is automated penalties that are just as likely to punish victims instead of perpetrators - which effectively looks more like a randomized coin-toss rather than any “algorithm” or computational evaluation of conditions.
I just do not understand why even the mere suggestion of having optional ghosted lobbies available is so contentious.
It’s as if I had personally insulted other players skill and driving ability, poked their pets in the eyes, or some other ludicrous Clarkson-esque metaphor.
Given what transpired in the thread last night, so people are clearly extremely invested in proving they are very good a racing.
Ghosted lobbies will do nothing to change that. For those who enjoy close racing and fighting for position, they can continue to do so.
Those of us who despise having a race ruined because some infantile troll wants to play car-bowling instead of a racing game can avoid that entirely.
Microsoft wins as it may bring additional players back into the game and especially more into the MP lobbies.
Did I miss read something because right now you can ghost yourself by hitting menu to avoid a griefing if you see it coming. Development team said they are aware of this and working on it for the next update? So you or the griefing player will get ghosted if the game detects whatever they program it to detect (high speed collision). Next update unless I miss read.
Also you can ghost yourself through a messy corner in the beginning of the race and just drive though a pile up ghosted. Is that fair or not?
The person you’re replying to suggested ghosted lobbies should be the norm. Nobody here is arguing against the availability of ghosted lobbies for those that want it.
Also, the person you’re replying to was dead-set on insisting I was a terrible driver that loves pushing people off track, which I don’t.