A different perspective

Forza Motorsport Legacy Motorsport FM7 Discussion
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Part of the issue with this iteration of the game is that they made too many changes to too many parts all at the same time. This game barely feels like a Forza franchise game at all.

Change isn’t always a bad thing, but change just for the sake of change is usually a bad choice. There needs to be a positive backside to change and that isn’t the case here.

This new crate thing is a joke! It was designed to appeal to FPS players to try to bridge the gap and bring in fresh consumers. (Newsflash T10, they’re NOT coming in any significant numbers) The driver gear is the same stupidity. It is a waste of resources with no payout since it has zero affect on the game.

Having cars locked from the beginning is a good thing in my opinion but having two different leveling systems in the same game is insanity. I have to upgrade one system to unlock the ability to upgrade a whole other leveling system! Why isn’t it all just tied to driver rank? What if I don’t want to buy certain cars? I’m forced to buy cars I’ll never drive to unlock the ones I want, but in order to afford to buy the cars I don’t want so I can unlock the cars I do want, I have to race the same races repeatedly. Talk about grinding!

The total lack of respect for Forza Faithful is simply sad. The rewards were pitiful. These people are the ones that pour thousands of hours into your games and don’t offer them any thanks?

The VIP system is almost dead now. People PAID money to be VIPs and you feel that a little crown next to their name is all they deserve? The mods are limited use! If I had known that was the program, I wouldn’t have done it in FM7 or FH3. The VIP perks were wosre than ever before in FH3 so it really shouldn’t be a surprise that FM7 cuts them again. I would expect the FH4 VIP program to be literally just the crown and then no VIP at all in FM8.

If they want to try new things, I’m all for it, but don’t pee on my boots and tell me it’s a rainstorm. Be honest like they did with Horizon. The truth is that they were simply afraid to be honest in their marketing because they know that they are alienating the core fanbase of sim racers in exchange for a larger fanbase of recreational racers. That’s not necessarily a bad thing either. The reality is that they are a company and companies exist to make money so that is what they are trying to do. When they made the first four games, they weren’t concerned with the bottom line, just making a great sim racer so they could build a franchise. And it showed with those games. They were amazing, even genre defining! But then the franchise was built and they decided to try to appeal to other gamers instead of being happy with the peice of pie they carved out and just doing what they did best. The Forza name has been in decline since the inception of the Horizon offshoot.

I don’t think it will be much longer and they’ll try to combine the two games into one (this game feels like a litmis test/first attempt at that already) and start yearly releases of it like COD. And everbody knows what happened to that franchise quality…

I just wish they would have been honest about what this game is so I didn’t waste MY money on it. If I could get MS to refund me my $99.99, I would be on it right now and never think twice about it but sense that isn’t a realistic option, I’ll play the $#!+ out of this game and then no longer be part of the Forza community.

I do agree with the OP that people should not be calling T10 and harassing them or calling people names but the consumers certainly DO need to tell T10 that they messed this game up pretty terribly. If this game said Need For Speed or Test Drive or even Horizon on it, it would be honest and I would be happy with it as a game but it falls below my expectations for a Forza Motorsport title.

And most people feel the same.

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Its amazing to me how many people have this exact same viewpoint. Sure, you have the fans that will support Turn 10 no matter what and just blindly call us all haters. Turn 10 dropped the ball though, there is no other way to put it. This game is simply awful. Sure, it has some things in it that are ok and maybe even an improvement over past versions. Yet, the game as a whole is not what the majority of their fanbase wanted, its not even close.

When is the funeral? Turn 10 has officially killed the Forza series… One of the Mods described the new car divisions as an important step in the evolution of the game. He was so wrong. They are the final nail in the coffin for a large portion of their once loyal fan base.

They got me this time. They already have my money and there is no way I can undo that. However, Forza 8 could be the greatest game in the history of video games and I won’t even consider buying it. Like you, I’ll play this game for a while, just so I can feel like I somewhat got my money’s worth, then move on without ever looking back. Fortunately, there are lots of other options out there right now too. Turn 10 won’t realize their mistake with this until the next game launches in 2 years. When the sales are maybe at about 30% of what this release gets, then they will get it.

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I totally agree with you.

I’m here to tell you they can give you a refund. They gave me a “courtesy refund” for the Ultimate Edition with the agreement that I may never receive another refund in the future. I’m good with that because I’ll never spend $100 for a game on blind faith again. I raised an eyebrow when ACG’s review blasted the new tier system…

…but had no idea that the class system I’ve run since FM4 had been totally nuked. We need to speak with our wallets on this one, if you are not happy with your purchase, fire up an xbox live support chat box and ask for a refund.

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I just refunded this morning. Took 5 minutes chatting with MS support. Quite painless surprisingly.

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Well, I agree with some of your points but I don’t ever remember seeing this kind of negativity when FM2, 3 and 4 were released. In fact, not this many complaints either around FM5 except for shortage of content or even H2. Clearly, they are taking shortcuts and not upholding the quality we have become accustomed to over the last 10+ years. I humbly believe most of the complaints if not all are 100% justified and people have their own way of bringing them to the developer’s attention.

People also have a right to voice their disappointment as decade-long Forza customers (some of which have blindly and happily been purchasing UEs and all DLC) though I must admit some do go a little overboard. After all, it can all be done in a civil manner - hoping the developers will fix the audio and graphical glitches in a CU or two, to kick things off in the right direction.

How are you finding the game BTW? How would you say it holds up against FM6 in terms of car audio, visuals and core gameplay? I’m rather excited to play my copy but not all that thrilled about the visual downgrade and mixing up the car sounds/making them generic - ala’ Horizon 3!

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We moderators remember seeing it with each and every release. Keep in mind that you folks see only what makes it to the forums proper, there is always plenty of spirited feedback none of you will ever see here.

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Ah, is that right? I’m kind of curious now. Would you kindly elaborate a little bit?

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There is a reason every new account starts out on moderation. A lot of initial posts by an assorted cast of trolls, anarchists, psychopaths, scoundrels, spammers, scammers, ne’er-do-wells, internet tough guys, pearl-clutchers, 40-year-old adolescents and children who mistakenly think that using profanity makes them look adult never make it out of the moderation queue and to the forums proper. The accounts of those posters often don’t tend to survive the encounter either.

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You guys should have a ‘blooper’ or ‘outtakes’ thread where the identifying info is removed but we can read the crazy postings. That would be the most visited thread in the forum!

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“Internet tough guys” and “pearl clutchers”… that last one had me laughing pretty good. :smiley:

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I know you arent asking me but there was tons of complaining when every game came out, maybe 4 had the least, but there was always tons of it.

A lot.

Phredesign had to delete hundreds of pages on the forums over the removal of public lobbies in FM3.

What is going on now is nothing compared to that.

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Yes and it has been known for Turn 10 to take action as a result of negative feedback. Let’s hope they listen this time too and bring back the leaderboards.

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Exactly - Turn 10 have made changes before so let’s hope that is something they do again. Especially with leaderboards - class based or homologated we need some leaderboards we can access at the front end of the game to allow people to compare performance of various cars.

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I don’t see how anyone could logically defend the backwards steps made here. It feels as if the last 12 years of FM never even happened.

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I respect people’s opinions but personally I’m really loving this game, I actually like many of the changes and online races seem more balanced to me. This might be might favorite Motorsport game yet

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It is done. :pensive:

I got a refund for the game. Thanks to Liger007 and Old Nippy for the info. I had heard they were looking into refunds for some items but I didn’t think this would be qualified.

To anyone else interested, the young lady asked me for the order number but I don’t have it, I’m currently at work, but she was able to find it. If you have it when you contact them, it may go a little faster for you. Even with that, it was finished up in less than 10 minutes even with my slow as molasses on a cold morning typing.

And not all of us “40-year-old adolescents” need moderation…:grin:

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I’ll start by saying that I’ve played forza since forza 3. I’ll never really understand why after every single iteration of the game there seems to be a backlash from the community… I suppose it’s the way we all deal with change differently. We all have to accept that we can’t always have everything we want… in the game and in life! There are things I’m disappointed with in 7, I won’t lie,though this may change… if it doesn’t I’ll simply not buy fh4 VIP. The question I’ve asked myself is…is 7 better than 6? And in my opinion it is… whether it’s £80 better will depend on personal circumstances, but imo it is worth it.

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When you grind for 3 hours to get a car to run in multiplayer and then can’t use it…in ANY MP lobby…tell me, how is it better?

If I’m missing something somebody please inform me…because no where did the game inform me that the ZR1 I was in could race in multiplayer. It was below 750…above 700, yet could not race in the only super car class in the MP lobbies. Showed as 0 cars eligible to race in the lobby…even though it was below the 750 F50’s in the same lobby. I guess Mclaren, Porsche, and Ferrari were tired of a Chevy spanking their backsides in game and needed to lock them out.

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T10 is damned if they and damned if they don’t. People always say they want something different - until you give it to them, and then what they really wanted was same as before but more of it. Had they they left everything the same of course the complaint would be: Forza 6.5! They didnt change anything except more cars and tracks!

People say they want close racing and no lb cars… Well, here is an attempt by T10 to do that, give it a try.

I guess the lesson is be careful what you ask for, you just might get it.

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An Alternative Different Perspective

The last full Forza game I played (i.e. other than demos) was FM4. Sadly, that’s not about to change.

One of Forza’s great strengths back then, I felt, was that unlike The Other Driving Simulator, you bought the game and all the game was there from the start. Apart from the Unicorn cars, but I’ll come back to that.

Sure, if you wanted to paint and modify a car, you had to own it. But that only required credits. So you could grind for a little bit in your Ford Ka, maybe do some online races in a ‘rental’ car. And as soon as you had enough credits you could go straight to that Ferrari 430.

No more. Cars can’t be had until you unlock them. But it’s actually worse, because it’s not a clear, linear method of unlocking cars. No-one seems able to explain this combined level up + loot crates system. And of course the payouts for races are low, and you earn nothing at all for using a ‘rental’ car. Apparently you also earn nothing in a private lobby.

But… soon you’ll be able to pay real money for a chance to unlock one of the cars you already paid real money for. And right now I bet someone is thinking “but you don’t have to use microtransactions”.

Well let me say this: that’s irrelevant. If the game economy comes pre-nerfed - as it clearly has - to encourage people to pay to access content they’ve already paid for, that’s a problem. It is rotten. This is a retail game, the most expensive version of which costs £79.99 in the UK (over $100). Yet it is front-loaded with free-to-download, pay-to-play mechanics.

Forza 4’s economy worked well I thought. Yes, it had microtransactions, but the race payouts were not in any way nerfed to encourage their use. Plus, thanks to the magic of Car Clubs (remember those? I haven’t heard them mentioned so I must assume they’re not in FM7), if one of your club members had that Ferrari 250 GTO, they could paint it, tune it, and add it to the club garage. Someone else in the club could get the Shelby GT. Even Unicorn Cars could be added to club garages. And of course when you used them in an online race you still got a payout.

FWIW, I was hyped for the game when it was first announced. Finally, the Forza game that would justify my recent purchase of an XB1. But then I got cold feet, and didn’t preorder. I’m glad of that, because I would have been so disappointed.

Folks, you can take my comment or leave it, you can call me a little crybaby if that’s the kind of person you are. But I recall T10 being an organisation which engages with and listens to its fans, so I think it’s reasonable to offer them an explanation of why I’m not buying.

Respectfully yours.

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