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After reading through this thread and catching up, I have noticed something interesting that I do not believe anyone has yet brought up, with the exception of Heiro in a way.
Most people here are spending the majority of the text discussing the Auction House and its merits whether good or bad and attempting to argue for its potential inception in the next game; however, most of the points and examples they are using are actually related to the Store Front and not the Auction House. I understand that both had their upsides and downsides but they were two different things.
What makes the most sense for future titles, at least to me, is to not include an Auction House or similar selling cars and paints directly type feature, but to take parts of the Store Front that the community generally agrees were good and to blend them into the current Forza 5 system. These features include, but are not limited to, the ability to search for things other than the car you are in, more search parameters, how results are displayed and the like.
To address the lack of an Auction House even further, I believe something very similar has infact been announced for Forza Horizon 2. It’s addressed differently in the game and in the trailers but it is infact the closest thing we may ever see to the Auction House of old. Do you remember in the preview footage for Forza Horizon 2 were they show you driving to a car meet and you can look at another players car. Then we are told that while viewing that car we are given the option to buy it from the in-game dealer with the exact same parts, paint, and tune that the user has on it. There are only two ways that this is different that the Auction House. The first is that the price you pay is exactly what the other person paid and instead of your money going to the original owner it goes to the in-game dealership (aka vanishes). The second way is that the original owner does not give up their car, it is for lack of a better term, simply copied into your possession. So, we may not see the Auction House the way it existed in Forza Motorsport 4 but tell me, isn’t it being brought back in Forza Horizon 2 in a highly improved manner that helps curb the cheating and theft in some ways?
How about limited edition paints or tunes you say? Easy! Instead of putting them on the Store Front or Auction House for a limited quantity, you put them on your car and drive around and do a car meet and this is for a limited amount of time or you tell the people they are for to meet you and let them buy it through the in-game system. Then you stop attending car meets with that paint or tune and VIOLA limited edition, sort of.
A lot of what I said makes sense for the open world of Forza Horizon 2 and may not be as easy to see implemented in Forza Motorsports 6 but that is still a ways down the road and we’ll hear more about that as time goes on.
That thingy in Horizon + storefront wouldn’t be bad. That thingy by itself with no other place to find tunes/paints would be the dumbest thing ever. Talk about having a hard time finding anything.
The storefront took away the AH’s thunder. That was apparent in FM3. The AH starting dying off after. Can’t say I wasn’t too surprised it was axed, but it still serviced a purpose for a section of the community that enjoyed it. That being said, I’m a firm believer that the storefront of old should come back. The only thing from the FM5 iteration that was good was the prompt to like a tune/paint. Add that as a searchable feature and you would have an easy time finding quality product. It would be a darn good substitute for the rating 1-5 stars failure of FM4.
I just hope they can come up with a way to get gifting back. Its an absolute pain having to read out build/tunes and making time during the day to do that and I do miss the decals team painters would send out so we could all have custom team paints specialized to our individual liking.
Swerve,
I think that if they were to implement sharing, it would make most sense to only allow sharing between club members. In Forza 4 when going to Free Play or Rivals you could select a stock rental car, a car from your garage, or a car from your club garage. Imagine going into the paint editor or vinyl creator and having the following options:
Add Decal
Add Manufacturer Decal
Add Club Decal
and anyone in the club could share decals that, well, the whole club could use.
As I said, the Horizon thing makes sense in the terms of the open world game and I am not sure how it will be implemented in a Motorsport title. I didn’t mention it, but it has been announced that the festival will have a Paint Booth, a dealership, a car garage and the likes such as the previous Horizon game so you will be able to do painting, upgrading, and tuning there, perhaps at the outposts, and then of course, the car meets I spoke of.
DOHC46,
I did notice the telemetry is a little off. What really caught me was that I was using the telemetry and reading the tire data (one to the left of HEAT) and I could also see what gear I was in, the RPMs and the such, and then I downloaded an update to Forza Motorsport 5 and I noticed all the information wasn’t there afterwards. What I cannot remember 100% though is if both were in FM5 since I was playing both FM5 and FM4 at the time, but I do know for a fact there was an update involved. If what I described is from Motorsports 4 then I don’t understand why it was removed. If it was in FM5 and the update removed it, I still don’t understand.
If Turn 10 just brought back the creators ability to set a price, or even just gave each player a set 5 or 10K for each paint or tune sold it would go a long way to making people happy. There are too many people who used to get rewarded for their paints and tunes who now get nothing. Not one single credit. Mine comes and goes. I haven’t shared anything for ages, i see no point. Unless you are a big name painter, or get in very quickly with each DLC pack, then you lose out to all the morons who just throw up a block painted car. These are the new kinds of thieves. They know they can put up a standard colour paint the instant the DLC launches, and as one of the first paints it will stay there eternally. Again, T10 could fix this by refreshing the top paints each month, but even that seems like too much effort for them.
As for the seedy underside of the AH and SF, I can say that after speaking with Hiero, Snowowl and Phred at length over the years, that is a much bigger problem than people realise. There are certain places that these idiots congregate, and it’s always a good laugh catching them in the act. Some people just don’t want to play fair, no matter what you do. But it has come across as T10 using a thermonuclear detonation to crack a walnut.
As volunteers I have always felt sorry for the mods fighting against the never ending tide of scumbags who sadly ruin our nice community for their own gain. Some of them make real money out of this. There are people even now selling access to their paints on a certain site. They sell you access to their friends list, then they gift you stuff which they didn’t even create for real money. It’s clear violation of the terms of service, and they deserve all the reports i file against them. But it just ruins it for the rest of us who want to play properly.
In the end T10 should bring back payouts for everyone, set at 5 or 10K a paint or tune and everyone will profit from their work. Also they could organise a gift centre, where mods could help facilitate the gifting of work, so collabs could come back. Just a thought. But the most important thing is we need a universal search. Search for a paint and it shows any car with that paint, not just the car you’re in.
Wasn’t the whole idea of taking away access to storage on the Xbone to defeat modding exploits? From what I can research, there are currently no known exploits for the Xbone. Or, are the engineers at MS just expecting to be outwitted sooner than later? Which, given the history of such things, may not be an unreasonable stance.
So, at this time at least, there are no ill gotten spoils to be distributed. Leaving the arguments against sharing in one form or another moot. I stand to be corrected on this, of course. 
Gears
I think that, unfortunately, allowing people to set the prices for their user created content was one of the biggest issues the SF and AH experienced. I think, since clubs are coming back, we will have access to the club garage when selecting cars for certain events. This would bring back sharing. In a similar manner, if the paint tool had an “Add Club Vinyl” we’re almost to the step where most will be happy without chances for exploitation - just don’t let people in your club you don’t know.
Unless everything was 100% server side and stored at Microsoft, it will get hacked. It’s not a matter of if, it’s simply a matter of when. There are way too many people interested in hacking and quite knowledgeable about it for this not to happen. Look at any credible news source, and a week doesn’t go by when someone, somewhere has hacked something, that someone else has somewhere else. Even local governments want to know what you’re doing and hack into everything (like tor which they created and now want to hack) it seems that it is simply a part of the culture at this point.
Turn 10 has done a lot to prevent this from happening, but who knows what we can see further down the road. By leaving storage access blocked to users, Microsoft has created another problem as we’ve seen. The constant need for cloud sync has caused quite a few gamesave issues for many a player (if all the threads are to be believed). In the end it’s a trade off and no matter the road chosen, there will be ups and downs and people who complain. Turn 10’s goal is to make it the best possible with the least amount of downs and no one can expect seriously expect that on the first try.
This isn’t Turn 10’s first try though. This is Forza 5! Each new game seems to leave behind features/content people loved. lol
As for the Xbox not being hacked yet, that is sadly not the case. I’m not going to give details but at least one group has demonstrated decrypted XVD’s without the required keys. So locking things down is always going to be necessary. However, too many locks just cause problems for the innocent players. The same as in DRM, it causes more problems for legit users than hackers and cheats.
I miss the auction house. I liked looking through all of the cars for sale and trying to get a deal. I also miss the club garage. But never say never to the fact that they could bring the stuff back. Maybe not in FM 5 but then again maybe. None of us can really know. Arguing about it is just not necessary. Too many internet tough guys and know it alls responding. It’s just not needed.
I was more referring to it the first one since, in their words, everything is being rebuilt from the ground up for the new system, and they made changes to the old storefront abd this is the first iteration of that.
This doesn’t mean I don’t agree with you though.
And yes, I know there’s quite a of stuff going on with the xbox. As I said, all it takes is time. One group is able to rewrite code the storage bit won’t release the process (or so they say)… I hope won’t see the things we saw in previous titles but hopefully Ms has it sealed tight and turn 10 doesn’t have to use “too many locks”.
Forza Motorsport 5 is hosted in The Cloud. One of two games so far fully on the Xbox LIVE (not Turn 10) servers.
does that not mean that something like an AH or SF in another guise could easily be implemented into the game? Out of curiosity
The fact it is on the Cloud should have no bearing whatsoever on whether there is a storefront or auction house.
The lack of them, as far as the consensus seems to be, is due to other things already mentioned in this thread.
If liveries and tunes can be stored on the cloud and searched (albeit not perfectly) then it would be very surprising if variations on that eg storefronts, auction houses could not be put on the cloud. Therefore my opinion is that the existence of the cloud has no bearing on the decision.
No. Dan Greenawalt announced before the launch of Forza Motorsport that there would be no Auction House or Gifting in Forza Motorsport 5. Continuing to debate the issue is a wasted effort.
they are not going to stop asking about it , this game is almost a year old people give it a rest!!!
Hey reaper,
I think you’ve missed the point here. Most everyone is discussing what might be done in future editions of Forza to solve the sharing aspect. Although the thread was initially devoted to the AH, it has evolved into the broader discussion of the ability to share in one form or another. I don’t see many people expecting to have it resolved in Forza 5.
cheers,
Gears
Not necessarily Snowowl. Continued debate could show Turn 10 that this is something really important to us. Whereas if we never say anything they’ll never know, and one day they’ll just not understand where all the customers went…