You do realize when the game says you are in the top 99% it doesn’t mean you topped 99% of players. Quite the contrary.
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Edit because I realized it could be condensed down to the following:
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This!
Pulling from way back in the Forza Forum Archive…Advice 101 Slow is smooth, smooth is fast!
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Also, don’t drive in the grass, that will slow you down. Stop hitting walls, that will slow you down.
I notice you like to race in either cockpit, or hood view. In those views, I don’t think you are seeing the extent at which your twitchy steering adjustments are slowing you down. If you tried in 3rd person view, you would see that you are swerving around too much on straight aways.
I watched the race with the '98 Aston Martin Vantage and the start was an AWD versus RWD thing.
All those cars that got out ahead of you at the start were running AWD and you were running RWD. The game is biased toward AWD and the online races in Online Adventure are all fairly short. The AWD drives cars will win every time unless you hit every turn perfect, and AWD in this game helps people got back on the gas at full throttle after turns. It looked like you were having some trouble with some of the turns due to not being used to the course, and also because you were having to be delicate with the throttle to keep from losing the car as is sometimes the case with RWD. The drivers in AWD cars were getting back to full throttle a lot quicker.
To be competitive in online, AWD is almost always preferred unless you drive the RWD cars perfectly and can make up the ground lost at the start. That’s not easy, though. And as short as some of the races are, making up so much ground against an elite drive in an elite AWD car isn’t always possible no matter how well you drive.
Also, upgrading in this game is biased toward more power over better handling. The best cars online are usually AWD and with about as much horsepower as can be added and still have the car within the class. Other than engine upgrades, the fastest cars have a AWD conversion, Race differential, Race brakes, Race springs, Race anti-roll bars, and in some cases a race transmission. If you upgrade your car so that the handling rating is over 7.0 in A class, that car is usually not powerful enough. That’s more handling than you need.
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The car looks like the problem in that first video. Springs/suspension looks waaay to soft. Personally I’d try a few cars out in a particular class to find ‘the one’. I can drive some cars really well and others it’s like I’m a complete noob (stock form). I tend to go for cars I can drive/race quite well when their stock and then slowly upgrade until I hit what I feel is ‘the money spot’. Practice makes perfect but with that being said, some cars are just a nightmare
Thanks, guys, for your advises, but can anybody tell me about proper driving aids using?
Your goal should be to turn them all off.
However, you don’t want to do it all at once. Turn one off at a time and work your way up till they are all gone.
Auto brake and STM should be the first ones to go. Then switch to Manual shifting.
Your next focus should be ditching ABS braking and then finally going to manual w/ clutch.
TCS is kind of up to you. Normally I would say it should be turned off first, however with the power biased-ness of this game, you may want to keep it if you’re in a RWD car.
If you’re running AWD all the time, then go ahead and turn it off as well.
Take your time getting used to your cars each time you turn one off. Take several weeks to get to where you turn them all off, don’t try and do it all in one day.
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Dude there’s no “secret” to do well grab a good build/tune from the leaderboards and practice. Practice is the only thing that’s really going to make you faster. Practice(had to say it one last time for good measure since you keep blaming it on the game/secret even though some very fast guys have given you tips)
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The Nissan 350z that pulled away from you was likely running over 700HP and likely had awd. The best cars are usually running north of 1,000HP.
There was a guy beating you who literally was intentionally drifting.
Your car was junk.
Even though your driving wasnt great, it was still ok enough to place mid pack. Your car and build choices were your main failures.
If you wanna see if it’s your skills, go run the monthly rivals event where top 25 win actual prizes if properly registered. If you’re as good as you say you are you should be top 50 no problem. The event is using stock cars so it’s all down to skill.
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The secret to playing this game well is to listen to the guys on this forum. Most of them could chew you up and spit you out just as quick as help you and everything they’ve said is true. Power trumps handling in horizon and AWD conversions help you put that power down on crappy tires so you can keep your PI lower with silly amounts of power.
But the “secret” secret that apparently is not a secret because everyone knows it…well that I guess you just have to figure out for yourself.
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Regardless of how well you drive, you need a competitive car to even think about winning online. I only watched the first video but the car was not competitive. It was RWD and not a great tune for rear-wheel drive. I didn’t want to get into critiquing your driving because without a car with a competitive build, that didn’t really matter. I wanted to focus on the car because the car wasn’t good. First things first.
But I didn’t see much of anything competitive out of the first video, and that includes the driving. All the other cars left you at the start, which I put on the car, but you butchered that first turn and pretty much everything afterward … so bad that it was more than just the tune. I can’t remember the last time my driving looked like that, and I hope I’ve never looked like that. That will not get it done. If that video was representative of how you drive in Forza - not in some other game but in Forza - you might need to recalibrate your expectations even after you put yourself in a competitive car. You can’t win driving like that, and against elite competitiion, you’d be lucky to finish … and by “finsih”, I’m talking about being within 30 seconds of the winner. Elite drivers post times near their leaderboard times in online races. If you go to Rivals and try to race somebody at or near the top of the leaderboards, you’ll see how fast you really need to be to consider yourself elite in this game. Maybe you’re good at some other game, which is cool, nothing wrong with that, but if that video was representative, you might want to heed of some of the driving advice.
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Another thing to remember about Forza. It’s not just about the upgrades on the car, it’s also about how you tune the car. Someone may have a car that has a lower PI but if it’s tuned properly, that car can leave you in the dust. Tune for speed in the gearing and just look up how to tune vehicles to give you the edge. It’s as much about the car it is the driver.
You are so strange, guys. You can explain me, how to compete with the bests. But its not the matter. I know this game has 15000000 community. Most of these players are casual/noob. The know nothing about things you describe here - nor car tuning, neither cornering intakes. So, these causals enter sessions free - and practically ALL of them beat me, experienced driver with good intuition and so on. Why? - this is the question, not why I cannot compete in the leaderboards top. So, you answer last - and dont try to answer what I ask. Their joystics against MOMO wheel - its just the version. But not what you tell
The answer to that is clear from the videos:
- The car you are driving can be good, but your build and tune are very weak for this game.
- Your driving in the video I watched was poor. Not poor compared to the leaderboard, just poor.
No other cars needed to be in the video for that to be apparent. You were out of the racing line more than you were in it.
And more than a million people bought the game but far less either want to race online or feel comfortable playing online. Many that do at least know how to build a competitive car. All but one car you raced against rocketed off the line, so you were in a lobby where almost everybody knew what they were doing. You can find weaker lobbies, but when over a million people are playing, you can expect a good number people to be competitive … and online racing is where you can expect to find them.
If you want to know why, that’s it right there … more blunt than I had hoped would be necessary. Don’t expect everyone online to be a pushover. I don’t know if you want us to say everyone is cheating or using assists or what, but that’s not how it is. Fast drivers use no assists and that lobby didn’t look special. If you don’t want those results repeated:
- build a better car, and
- drive better than in the video
If you need help building a good car, I’m sure there are people here willing to help.
No. We are telling you how to compete with the common, online FH3 player.
Remember that Forzas history is based in the FM games. Sure there will be some NFS players playing it but there are a lot of player with a Forza history and therefore they do have some idea of tuning.
I have a couple of casual friends who simply grab a tune and race online. No rentals and no autoupgrades yet they are definitely casuals.
Allow me to summarize what everyone has told you in a way you will understand.
You are not very good at this game.
It does not matter how good you are at other games. It does not matter if you use a stick or a wheel. The only thing that does matter is how you prepare your car and and how you drive it. The videos you linked show you are not very good at driving in this game. It also shows the advantage of AWD over RWD and the advantage of a self-built car over the rentals.
Take the advice of the others. It will help you get faster. OR keep thinking you are an elite player and keep losing.
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I’ll repeat myself.
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Even obstinance has a sell-by date as an amusement device. It’s at that point for me, so I’ll recede into spectatorship with what I feel is the most pertinent, concise line from this thread. . .
Or if you’re so adamant that the support for your peripheral is poor, use another. But do something other than parrot your ‘accomplishments’ in other racing games. The tactics you used in those games aren’t working here. Complaining that they worked elsewhere clearly isn’t working given that you’re frustrated with your state of competitiveness seven pages later. Nor will it ever.
Have a nice day.
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