What are your thoughts on Race Tyres and people building open class cars based on race tyres?

lol who is the guy with the formula mazda in his garage ? who is the guy with a old meta ferrari F50 wich has always been good since fm6.

lol go drive a simracer if you want the perfect steering feel and or BUY A REAL CAR.
i 2 have a wheel and used fm6 with a wheel like 0nce or twice and its fine…
i have a REAL CAR hot hatch

so its more youre problem… agian…

but like i said why are you here on the forum if you like the steering feel, the broken OP meta and win easily in your OP boring cars?

i wouldnt be here on the forum if i was you…

i am here on the forum cause i didnt touch forza for over 6 weeks cause i hate it.

are you here on the forum cause you want to win EVEN easier ?and want to have nitro on your formula mazda and ferrari F50 so you can even be the 5 kmh faster than the speedbuild cars where over the handling cars ?

i use my wheel for REAL SIM racers WITH PERFECT FEEL like assetto corsa 1.

maybe an idea to test that than think forza needs to be yet ANOTHER full sim with steering feel etc.

my friend never complained about steering feel and did good on both assetto corsa and forza and had a subaru impreza in reallife.

so its really …maybe youre lack of skill that you hate power cars ,fm6

and on bit with profit on forza people searched for it and showed a chart of it.

you 2 see it that fm7 and fm23 where dying …

can you use a better translator?

lol thats youre best reply. youre out of words isnt it ?

you know i am right that why youre give this weak reply. :man_facepalming: :rofl:

just go play fm23 in your ferrari F50 or formula mazda on your wheel win and think youre the next max verstappen bud :rofl: in your OP broken cars

Yes man you won, I think I’m max vertstappen and i also think and you are not a troll but I just asked cause I find it very hard to understand some of your sentences

sure i would say the same if dont have something sensiible to say and know my opposition has a point.

next time just admit it right away, than go for a low blow like this cause my english is fine. and its not even the subject where we talk about so it isnt valid on any point. :man_facepalming: :rofl:

the only problem you have is that you DONT READ and only like to listen to yourself.

you play since fm5 and think to know the real essence of forza… you dont…

a meta based on handling is so much nicer than what we had. i absolutely do not want to go back to the days of audi s5s dominating every single track.

none of it even matters while the penalty system exists though, because the real meta is not power or handling, it’s how effective you are at ramming people off the track without copping a penalty.

ok i agree with the audi S5 being overpowered but that was 1 game… fm3

further the audi S5 was 2 towards handling cause it had 4WD and would not spin out…

but if you followed to conversation

meta should be baised on balance not power of handling but in the middle towards handling indeed.

but how the meta now is is just broken.

heavy power saloons like the german favorites and the american muscle car cant compete with formula mazda’s with 180hp cause the speed difference on the straight is non excistent .

so the handling car gets all the cookies.

in A class u need 4.5 handling to compete atleast . 4.5 handling isnt achievable in 80% of the cars in game. …

so we have 200+ in game but can only use 10% cause all other all just useless.

yeah really great META!! we all gonna drive the same car every track how fun!!

why dont u guys just go to the touring car lobbies or gt3 lobbies where you can choose high handling race cars and only a choice of max 8 different cars.

in FM6 i had 300+ A class cars and could be competive with 90% off those. handling build power build didnt matter.

THATS BALANCED GAMEPLAY!

you guys all want easy cars to drive and win easliy not bother about diversity in lobbies or that there are 200+ cars in game and we only use 10% MAX .

so boring … whats the point of class racing if we only can use 8-15 competive cars ? just scrap class racing then …

8 to 15 competative cars? When was the last time you played the game?

Using the example you keep talking about, mugello in A class. There isn’t a formula mazda in the top 10, in fact there are 6 different cars in the top 10 and that’s a single track in just A class

I get what you’re saying about power builds being useless other than on a couple of tracks but that’s the direction T10 decided to take. You constantly going on and on about it isn’t going to change a thing.

first of all, forza has always had a meta in which only a tiny handful of cars are even close to each other in competitiveness. this is not a phenomenon new to fm23. like, in the glory days of fm3 and fm4, the only time you’d have a good shot without a meta car was in the multiclass lobbies because grognards tended to shy away from those lobbies and people drove a much larger variety of cars. straight a class lobbies? better hope you were in an audi in fm3 or a subaru in fm4 or you were out of luck.

secondly, i do not know where you are getting the idea that i love the formula mazda. i have literally complained about it right here on these very forums. it is broken. it needs to be patched. it’s also one single broken car in one single class, other classes are as balanced as they have ever been.

third, the formula mazda isn’t even the most broken car forza has ever seen. the lotus elan in fm2 and the dodge dart in the muscle car dlc in fm4 immediately spring to mind. but hey, they got patched because they were broken. know what didn’t get patched? the audi s5 and vw golf in fm3, cars that i’d argue were equally broken as the mazda yet were never touched.

and i have no doubt that you had a larger pool of cars you could compete in in fm6, because the average skill level of the playerbase fell off a cliff from fm4 → fm5. it was blatantly obvious to me when i got an xbox one and a copy of fm6 that the players i was running across were not even in the same ballpark as the players i would run up against in fm4. the same is true in fm23 - i feel like i am better at this game than i have ever been in any other forza game, but even then, i should not be able to hop into a miata and then win by 10+ seconds over the other 5 miata/cosmo/integra drivers in d class lobbies.

edit: actually, know what? i posted this before checking out the a class leaderboards, basing it just off the last time i played, when the formula mazda was indeed absolutely dominant. and, well, a quick look at the leaderboards as they stand now does not at all indicate the formula mazda is even broken. almost every track has a large variety of cars making up the top 10. the impression i had of the formula mazda being overpowered was surely a result of a class running concurrently with spec mazda, incentivizing people to have one, combined with the game still being new and so people having less time to grind out other cars to try other builds with. looks like, as time has gone on and people have unlocked parts for other cars, they’ve found a bunch of cars that are at least as good as the formula mazda.

in fact, i went and did some number crunching. i consider a car to be dominant if it makes up at least 7 of the top 10 spots on a track.

out of 57 total layouts in this game, the formula mazda only dominates 8 of them. and the tracks it does dominate are all low speed tracks with few straights and lots of turns. you know, exactly the kinds of tracks a car that is entirely grip-based would be dominant at. meanwhile, tracks that are more balanced, like, say, spa or indianapolis gp or mid ohio, don’t even have a singularly dominant car at all.

you are complaining incessantly about a problem that does not even exist. in fact, the leaderboards indicate that in general the pi balance, at least for a class, is overall in a pretty good spot.

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I did some testing on lime rock full circuit (one of tracks where u benefit a lot from tyre grip and downforce, while trying to keep as much speed as possible trough corners.)

Tested Honda prelude in D class. In all cases race suspension, and when using street/sport/race tyres I used same level of reinforcement and arb (it’s faster this way for me). And I user race suspension to setup alignment for optimal lap time.

FWD “Balanced” no aero slim street tyres, lap 1:00.3 ish
FWD No aero fat street tyres, lap 59.9
FWD no aero fat sport tyres, lap 59.6
FWD max min aero fat sport tyres, lap 59.4
FWD Max min aero fat race tyres, lap 59.1
FWD no aero race tyres, lap 59.6.
RWD swap, max mid aero fat race tyre, lap 59.4
And to my surprise
RWD swap, no aero fat sport tyre, with re alignment for RWD, lap 59.1

So as u can see u don’t need race tyres or Forza aero to get optimal lap time. As long as u drive RWD car and have enough grip, u can use sport tyres no aero.

Fwd and awd benefit a lot from max min aero so, if u want no aero tune its better to RWD swap it.

I don’t understand what’s surprising about a race car designed for race tracks being able to trounce overweight sedans designed for straight highways. I don’t think any of these cars has a power-to-mass advantage over the Formula Mazda, while also having a much higher center of mass, weighing a literal metric ton more, and generally not being designed for the track in any meaningful way.

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and just like his insistence that the formula mazda dominates most tracks in a class, it also isn’t even true.

i just went and tested a heavy german sedan, the m4, and a heavy american muscle car, the camaro supersport, at watkins glen, along with the formula mazda. all three were tuned to the top of a class. by the time i reached the braking point for the chicane, the speeds were:

m4: 156 MPH
camaro: 154 MPH
formula mazda: 137 MPH

a difference of nearly 20 miles per hour is not a ‘non existent speed difference’. not even remotely.

SiMp1e_ShOt is, at best, massively exaggerating the perceived issues he has with car balance.

well I have zero skill and think I’m Max Verstappen so I can’t say a thing

I think his main beef is with power builds being crap now other than on a couple of tracks.

He seems to not want T10 focus more on what actually happens in the real world but instead go the other way and be more arcade than sim.

The whole thing about only a handful of cars being competative is nonsense though.

He seems to want T10 focus more on what he like to drive, he don’t really care if it’s arcade or sim.

so give me the list of all competive cars in A class then.

lol for sure there is a formula mazda in top 10 not N1 i didnt said that. a ktm xbow is the same thing almost

formula mazda
4 touring cars
ktm xbow
bmw e30
bmw e36
honda s2000
porsche 3.0 turbo RWB
mazda rx7
lotus emira

what else? nearly nothing. so about 8-15 cars

what else do you do on on the forum then ? complain about little things like the lighting or graphics?

i keep talking about this as long as i want. most of u guys just want to win easily so find this broken META fine cause high handling cars are very very very easy to drive so takes no skill and you win.

saying to me isnt gonna change a thing .like talking about your problem is gonna change a thing… its T10 we talk about

i did read most of the first bit…

the big thing is what you guys DONT UNDERSTAND IS !!! that the audi S5 made sence it was OP cause ALL STATS WHERE HIGH OR BALANCED. it had high handling, good brakes , decent top speed ,good accel

now look at the formula mazda STATS F1 handling , f3 brakes , lawnmower power , bicycle top speed.
but STILL ITS TOP 10 ON BIG TRACK LIKE MUGELLO

tell me please tell me how does this makes sence…a 180hp go kart goes as fast on the straight as a 700hp hellcat. whats the point of the hellcat? EVENTOUGH THE HELLCAT HAS DOUBLE THE SPEED STAT!!!

in fm3 i could challenge 80-90% of the audi S5 in my audi R8 wich has 80% rwd and no one used it. so it isnt meta.

maybe just maybe i need to talk to some fast people with sence here on the forum cause. you guys just DONT UNDERSTAND IT!

in fm3 i could challenge audi S5 ,lamborghini lp640 and dodge viper 03 ( yes i know all the meta almost)
maybe you guys couldnt but i could.

in fm23 i can cut 30% of the track and i still get passed by a tracktoy or 4.5 handling go kart. in fm23 i can be god or dan greenewalt and still have no chance agianst the current broken META /physics

its just beyond me that no many smart people see the problem… it isnt a because of a meta its just about that meta is untouchable.

formula mazda like 4.1 top speed stat (yes ill quess these im not on the game)
dodge hellcat like 8.1 top speed stat (yes ill quess these im not on the game)
forza logic speed difference on a straight like mugello … 5kmh difference

i rather play agianst the audi S5 ,lambo lp640 , viper 03 meta in fm3 than this crap…
cause the fm3 META IS BEATABLE fm23 meta NOT

get some f sence people. god is it so hard ? it isnt rocket science!!

youre just not the smartest one here we already knew that.

lol so a 180hp go kart going fastest everywhere on big tracks like mugello agianst porsche 911 gt3 , lotus elise v6 etc makes really sence sim wise and its really good simcade wise

you only dont complain about it cause you want to win easily in your OP ferrari F50 and formula mazda
you cant drive so thats why this game suits you and fm6 not cause fm6 you needed more skill to drive…

lol youre so funny and a real bright light arent you…

you just want to win easily and i am right cause youre have no valuable replies back to me…

how many friends or known players of you didnt like fm6 and now play fm23 ? tell me…

i can give my list off people who played fm6 everyday and where diehards forza guys like me and dont play fm23 any second anymore i have a list of atleast 15 people all very very fast loyal forza players.

so its sim that a 180hp go kart goes fastest on mugello.
so dumb oh god.

but tell me the list of competive A Class cars with its handling stat and hp ( dont hav e to on point but around)

and wow the power cars get 1-2 tracks how generous of you…

you guys just all want to win easily with no sweat taken

you really never watched a real race did you with car stats ?