What’s the point of having 500+ cars when only 3 to 5 cars are competitive in a class?
Am i the only one who gets bored seeing the same Make and Model every race?
Kinda defeats the purpose of having lobbies for specific makes and models since everyone is using the same car in Open series anyway… or maybe that is the point.
Yeah, but it’s always been that way. I generally avoid those cars because I like to build my
own and hopefully be fairly competitive.
In the past, some of those “leaderboard” cars were glitched. A lot of them, it would lower their PI to add certain parts.
5 cents from Max Verstappen. Makes no sense to have 500 equal cars with equal drivimg ablities, no?
I’d counter that with
It makes no sense to have a PI system that’s meant to balance the class then.
On top of it all the Leaderboards are a complete joke if you don’t want to use a specific car.
this 10^^ times i just wanted to make a thread about this. luckily you see the problem aswell…
earlier forza’s 2 had this (problem) but there it made sense the meta cars in my eyes .and you could win with bad cars if you had good skill.
in this game is all about handling and not speed thats the problem… a formula mazda with 180hp should only work on really small tracks like catalunya school circuit from fm6 ( look it up how small it is) and not a big power track like mugello full.
like indeed what is the sense of adding heavy audis bmws, old classic jaguars etc etc with not higher handling than 3,4 if you need atleast 4.1 handling to not drown everywhere.
in fm6 i drove everything with wheels and a engine from pontiac aztek to tesla model s to a 5.3 handling 570hp brz and won lots off times cause power cars made sense and with good driving you could win from OP cars (meta cars) with high handling .
in this game the closing speed through the corners from a mazda formula car ( for example) on A class is just ridiculous , its like a f2 car agianst a stock ferrari roadcar.
the BOP (balance of performance) is never bad worse than this in forza history. fm6 had amazing BOP wich made sense. a ktm xbow was fast on slow twisty tracks and would drown on tracks like silverstone thanks to its longer straights. in this game that doenst matter cause the difference in speed on the straight is to small compared to a high handling car versus a power car, but in the corners the handling car is like a F1 car and away.
i am really sad cause itsc my favourite game and i love to drive strange bad cars and try to win, but with this game 95% off the tracks you need a tracktoy (formula mazda ,ktm xbow etc) to win wich i find boring to drive
sorry for the long reply i am just sick of this game frachise getting worse and worse.
watch the new threads cause i gonna make one 2 for this problem and some other forza logic…
I agree with you and I’m not one for needing ultra realism in every aspect of the game at the end of the day its a game and would be more fun if it was more diverse competition.
I’m also not one for complaining but at this point it seems like our only Avenue.
and for the people who say forza always had meta cars , thats true but if you played longer than fm7 ( the worst forza) and look with common sense you see on fm6 for example it made sense and here in fm8 it doesnt
for example : fm6 had the alfa romeo 33 stradale as a Op meta car in A class.
the stats are like : 6.1 handling (quite high but not ridiculous ) and 300hp and lightweight . so car was fast in the corners thanks to its stats had decent power and was lightweight so decent on speed aswell.
so in my eyes it kinda made sense it was good on every aspect.
on the smaller tracks ( 2 tracks) people used the ktm xbow a cars with 6.7 handling (really high) and around 280hp but heavier than the alfa 33. that car only worked on 2 tracks very very small tracks and all others it would drown heavliy on the straights wich made sense cause it had crazy high handling.
if we had mugello in fm6 and you would ride the ktm xbow you would almost be lapped. and now go look on the leaderboards in A class on mugello in fm8 wich is in top 10 … oh look a ktm xbow
it just doesnt make sense like how you gonna race that with a audi rs7 with A600 ???
go into D class and you see poeple on race slicks IN D CLASS 
you can even win with 10hp and race slicks on this game so important is the handling stat, its broken
lets see people do this fm8 . a astra v6 rwd and pontiac aztek rwd v8 tt
impossible cause all about handling. in fm6 you could compensate on lack of handling with skill see photos. 4.8 handling on fm6 is like 2.9 handling on fm8 . and the formula mazda is 6,7 or 7,6 so good luck
Well I thinks this will never change there are always Cars which perform better than others. I only play TC and GT in Multiplayer (cause Singleplayer is boring as hell) and I like to challenge them with cars that not that good. I’m not the best driver so it’s a win for me when I get second behind a Golf in the TC Class with the Astra or so.
thats true but if you read maybe just a part of my message you see it just doesnt make sense… all meta cars are track toys with no power (180hp-240hp A class!!!) and 95% of the leaderboards (tracks) are full of them.
Hold up, since when was 7 worse than 5?
Power builds are still a thing, they haven’t gone away. I for one am glad that the stock tire challenge has gone the way of the dodo. Now if T10 can actually continue with the change and scrap 22" rims…
The only thing that happened is the “meta” changed, so the cars changed with the “meta”.
So now you can’t blast 200 mph in a A class car on the straights, only to crawl through the turns like grandma…Oh no!
and on wich track you can still win with a power car than einstein? le mans only. mugello is a power track all tracktoys there, silverstone powertrack tracktoys . you never even drove low handling cars i see…
there are only 2 meta cars on 95% off the tracks and those are formula mazda and a ktm xbow. howe blanced is that a 180hp go kart and 240hp tracktoy winning on 95% off the tracks.
yeah bro the speed build is still alive… facepalm.
you propably one off those formula mazda users.
if you looked and read my post u see i won in crazy car builds with low handling on tracks WITH CORNERS . that ztek was on long beach with 4.8 handling , thats like 2.8-2.9 handling on fm8
Wow man, you’re a real winner aren’t ya? The “meta” changed, time to catch up. Oh, and FYI, I don’t use any of the “meta” cars, not 1.
i dont car if i win or lose i want to see i have a chance and i am happy . in fm6 it was possible with lots off concentration and smooth driving. on fm8 ( here) the closing speed of a formula mazda round a corner is like a F1 agianst a road car. impossible to hold and on the straights the formula mazda still has decent speed wich is broken with only a joking 180hp
You can look at the Leaderboards and see power cars are in fact not a thing lol.
Sure you can still win races but youre not going to beat a good driver in a meta car unless you take him out.
My main gripe is having a few cars that are consistently 3 to 5 seconds faster a lap in the same class with no attempts to balance the situation.
Like stated before it just leads to 70% of people using the same car. Which in my own opinion makes the game feel pretty lame.
I spend hours tuning different cars for variety and consider myself a decently fast racer but theres just no real way around meta cars with someone equal in skill.
Go into Open series S class for example… it’s a whole lot of De-tuned R class cars and a 1997 Porsche 911 GT1. Everything else almost useless lol.
While I agree the Formula Mazda is broken as (well, you know), It isn’t even the fastest in rivals on most tracks. It should be solidly in S class. I would rather the meta be handling and consistency over what it was in the past.
Even within the power build era, there were specific choices if you wanted to be the fastest. So previous Forzas had the same problem, just with a different “meta”.
In the real world, HP isn’t everything, and there is a reason for Mazda MX-5’s having their own series, they are great handling little cars. Not my “cup of tea”, but I won’t deny they are great on track.
I seen this coming a mile away, once we were told ballast was going to be part of the game.
''Even within the power build era, there were specific choices if you wanted to be the fastest. So previous Forzas had the same problem, just with a different “meta”.
i call nonsense . if you read my previous post you see the problem but you have to read it to understand.
in fm6 the alfa 33 was meta in A class but that car made sense cause it had high handling but not crazy high ( 6.1) and had 300+ hp and was light so it made sense.
the formula mazda has 6,7 handling in fm6 and 180hp in fm6 it would drown on every track except catalunya school. wich makes sense cause its slow as hell on the straights.
now here in fm8 90-95% off tracks the formula mazda or ktm xbow dominates with 180hp even on FREAKING MUGELLO … HAVE YOU SEEN THE BIG STRAIGHT!! it just doesnt make any sense . think about it
