Why should the painters put the work in so you can have unlocked vinyls, we all ready make no credits for them. I’ll help out anybody who wants to learn but I wouldn’t want my stuff going out unlocked just because you CBA putting any effort in. If you want decent logos on your designs spend a bit of time learning how to make them or accept the fact you can’t share your designs.
I enjoy doing my own decals and designs , it gives you immense satisfaction once you have created something that is all your own work. I would dread to think how many hours the designers amongst us spend sculpting and layering these vinyls to create work of our own , I just have a hard time knowing that if these vinyls were sold unlocked , others would share and pass the work off as there own , I’m just not happy with that!
Sure it would be an idea to give us designers the option to unlock work , because there are some that would be happy to do so , but I for one refuse to let others benefit from my hard work that’s done on limited time , it’s understandable really!
There are lots of quality community shared vinyls that are not logos and are unlocked by t10. I spend up to 3 days putting them together, but would be quite happy to unlock them for other people to work over. Surely some some decal designers feel the same?
thats a lie…
no need to ever have anything unlocked if you didnt make it. why should you get any credit at all for someone elses hard work?
Without a SF or AH, what is the purpose of locking decals anyway? Other than the time involved (taking away from my racing), I don’t mind making my own decals, but I would be a lot happier if I could just use a good one made by someone else to put on my car design. I think of it like I do Open Source (Linux, FreeBSD, etc.), if the decals are unlocked, then the design has to be unlocked. Since no one is making credits off of selling designs, then I don’t see a problem. However, once the SF and AH come, I can think of a good solution for this problem…have a generalized formula that pays the designer of both the decals and the overall design. If a paint designer pays credits for the use of a decal, then they can use the decal with the caveat that all designs sold with that decal will give a percentage of the sale to the decal designer. Each decal present on a design gives the original creator a flat percentage of any transaction involving their work. So, if 40 paints use PlayerX’s decals, PlayerX can potentially make a lot more credits than if they had to sell just the decals individually or rely on paints they sold themselves.
- PlayerX makes a decal. Sells the decal for 5,000 credits.
- Players A, B, C, & D all purchase the decal for their paints. 5k x 4 = 20k.
- Players A, B, C & D all sell 500 copies of their design for 25k each. 25k x 500 x 4 = 50m.
- PlayerX gets 2% (as an example) of each sale. 50m x 0.02 = 1m
- PlayerX sells 500 copies of 4 of his own paints @ 25k each. 25k x 500 x 4 = 50m.
PlayerX makes 1m credits more than selling just their own paint, and profits much more than just selling the decal by itself. This is a good economical system, and the best decals would be the ones purchased and used most often, promoting the creation of better quality decals for the whole community. Our recreations would be more accurate and our cars would look better…everybody wins.
Edit: I forgot to mention that the decal and paints are not unlocked in the sense that they can be copied and then claimed by someone else, just that the present system of locked a design because of the use of a locked decal would be discarded. Decals and paints would be usable and could be sold, but the due to the possession of the decal/paint by the creator, any sale would send a percentage to those whose work were involved. If someone just sold a paint from someone else and contributed nothing themselves, then the percentage to the original creator would be 100% (minus any fees to go to decal creators).*
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Or alternatively instead of all that you could just make your own.
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Obviously, I do. That wasn’t my point, nor was it the OP’s. We don’t have a choice to unlock and share the designs. So, we get 4,000 versions of nismo, pirelli, hks, total, falken, toyo tires, etc. ad nauseum of all the painters doing their own version of every decal and it is a needless time soak. Where in the real world do people do that? I like doing my own decals (well, except for some fonts), don’t get me wrong, but I think the system would be better if we used the system I outlined above. Not that it matters, since there will be no AH in FM5 (according to Dan G.).
Go back and take a look at FM2, we had a fairly large amount of manufacturer’s official logos. I’m wondering how MS and Turn10 would have fewer resources for a known commodity (FM) to buy licensing of those logos, especially when it would equate to free advertising any time someone uploaded a pic or video of FM5 with one of the logos in it, it couldn’t be any worse than putting logos on rally cars that drive through so much muck that it covers up 90% of the car lol
At least the other guy had an idea, i don’t want money either and i have made a ton of MNF designs I would be more than willing to give away for free, I just feel there should be some you don’t have to use like if i unlocked some for others to use and other ‘friendly’ community members did some free shares too. I have about 15 MNF decals I have made, but didn’t want to be the umpteenth thousand person to create the Pirelli font, so i used the one available in that menu (guess it was shared) now i can’t get my design to unlock…
If you want to be the ten thousandth person to create the Shell Logo and Font then by all means, i just reckon there should be a sharing option too.
besides the fact that some of you missed my point that i’m sure I removed them(everything i didn’t personally create)and my design is still locked???
double.
Yes, instead of having few good logos, we are inundated with myriad of mediocre/poor logos that are just clogging up the online library.
I’m sure there are good reasons for T10 to do this though . . .
Yes get it, some elitists want everything to be private and custom made… some other people have jobs and what not, I don’t care how it’s done, i’d just like some form of sharing even if it were just that ~ SHARING e.g. i send a message to someone asking to use the NISMO package they have and the simply reply ‘yes’ and then i can.
I’d say that statement is just plain incorrect; even with full designs and highly rated ones only very select few make the front page… why would they have that and then not do the same voting system for decal designs, that wouldn’t make sense.
Just about every logo ever conceived has been shared by now and they’re free to use as much as you like. You can download those shared items, for free no less, and use them on any or all of your cars if you so wish.
What more do you need?
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common sense for a start.
Look i understand that there are people here that have a ton of time and probably millions of all these decals that they are proud of, but the argument against is simply for your benefit not for the community.
If people could share their’s to the community, that would devalue yours that’s the only reason you are against it right?
For me the reason it makes sense is simple ‘why should i go through the process of making “NISMO” for the millionth time’… it doesn’t make sense, especially when the “NISMO” is just a little sticker on a large design. What’s more even if you want to keep making your own designs then it wouldn’t affect you at all… so what is the protest for?
- this is for the addition of created “decal” vinyl groups for the use on shared designs, whoever said that you can already use them…
Because your Nismo decal is going to be the best Nismo decal ever painted in Forza and more importantly, it’s going to be yours.
blam!
I think the system we have now is the best we have ever had, if not perfect.
ETA: If I could change one thing, I would remove all the achievements related to UGC so what we do see is created by those with a sincere desire to create and share and not just line their pockets, which would then hopefully raise the overall quality of work for everyone to enjoy.
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Here here, can’t understand why people are so desperate to share other peoples work, I take pride that every single layer on my designs was made by me, I make a point of not even using the provided logo’s because it feels like cheating.
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+1 on all that.
There used to be the ability to unlock, because they changed that there should be more more manufacturers decals.Of course I could learn to make them but i’d rather do a design course than struggle to make the hundreds i need.