As stated in my previous thread, not all corner cutters, rammers ect are griefers. Some like myself are playing a racing simulator for the first time. Rather than spouting abuse at them or ramming them into walls ect try to explain that this is a racing simulator not an arcade style game. Eventually they will learn what that means and like myself play the game properly.
Dont give these guys such a hard time as this will only teach them to cheat and ram more, allot of them don’t know there doing anything wrong.
I have zero problems with crashing people who cheat, if you cut a corner right up to pass me you better watch your rear end at the next corner. Do not care if you are a new player or a veteran guy in an established team, you’re gettin it.
Agreed that the cutting corner deal is bad, bring back the sticky grass just don’t have it right on the edge of the racing surface like in Forza 4 or even 3. Everyone makes slight mistakes and shouldn’t be penalized with a dead stop for a tire on the grass. But the ability to cut corners completely is bad.
Sticky grass was great in FM3/4. The placement of it though could of been a lot better. Indy, Sedona, Suzuka and Catalunya to name a few had some race ending sticky moments where they would grab you right off the racing line and stop you dead. If anyone was following you then race over. Many a full damage race at Sedona has seen people who have drift offline hit the sticky chicane to find a car at full speed plough into them with nothing either party could do. Race over.
Turn 18 at Yas Marina is a huge issue at the moment. It has the largest corner cut I have seen in Forza and is so open to abuse. People take the corner and are happy to wipe people out who have taken the correct line.
People that are saying “they police the server, they ram into them” That does not help, you’re merely putting fuel on a fire. Instead, send the player a message asking them to stop corner cutting, if it doesn’t work, report the player for cheating/unsportsmanlike behavior. Also people that say T10 doesn’t do anything. They try their best to do everything and will eventually do something. File a crash report on the player. But don’t take out players, because that puts you down to their level.
Actually, it does help. Because it makes them leave the lobby (if they don’t get kicked), especially if theres 3-4 different people ganging up on them. Fight fire with fire.
There is a difference between being new to simulation racing and not very good and blatant cheating. You can’t not know that taking all four wheels off the pavement into the grass and bypassing an entire turn or two is cheating. And accidents will happen, you’ll bump and bang, just tell people you’re new and still learning, they will understand. I try to be as patient as I can. Hell, I’ve been playing these games for a long time and I’m still a crappy driver myself. Most people who have been around a while can tell the difference between bad/new drivers and blatant attempts at cheating.
Here’s one of my biggest problems with the idea of reporting cheaters, it requires too much work. I encounter corner cutting in almost every online race, often by more then one person. I would spend 3 times as much time reporting cheaters as I do racing. I would be filing a report after every single race. That’s no fun. I didn’t buy this game to spend most of my time sending off reports on cheaters. I bought it to race and have fun. These people are ruining the fun and forcing us to become full time snitches. Not cool.
A lot of people seem to have a problem with the idea of taking matters into our own hands, wrecking these people, violating terms of service, stooping to their level, etc, etc. Well, we are not out there taking out every single car that slips a wheel into the grass, just the obvious cheaters, and only them. They are cheating and cutting and winning races, we are being screwed out of a decent race and the opportunity to at least compete for the win, how is putting them in a wall any different? Winning by cutting a corner is the same as winning by wrecking someone. At least by wrecking them we are taking away the payoff for their cheating. Yes, it’s negative reinforcement, but we don’t have a method for positive reinforcement here. Also, more and more people are cutting because it’s the only way to be competitive.
Until turn10 institutes a black flag system and/or adds more sticky areas all we can do is sit back and watch people cut corners and win races while we finish middle of the pack because we are good little boys and girls. Or do something, anything we can to try to stop it or discourage it. I choose the later.
I understand where you are coming from, but I don’t agree with you. When you take someone out, you’re fueling their fire. You may have helped with that race or that lobby, but you’ve made them even more determined to cheat or ram. I offered my suggestions back on page 4 of this thread, but Turn 10 has to come up with something. MP can’t stay the way it is. I report and block those I see fit, but I really do think its a total waste of time.
That’s where you’re wrong. The payoff for most cheaters is getting attention. When you stoop to their level and start ramming and cutting and bumping back - you’re giving them EXACTLY what they want.
I don’t disagree that the reporting system could be improved but, for now, that’s all we’ve got. You might as well use it - because fighting back in the lobbies isn’t working any better.
Just keep in mind that if you take other driver out, you risk the chance of getting reported. Now that MP videos are possible, anyone can report with evidence.
Also keep in mind that like players get “grouped” with like players. If you want to be in a lobby with clean racers, you must first race clean! If you are in the habit of “returning favours”, you WILL likely end up in lobbies filled with people who do the same. This in what Dan Greenawalt stated in an interview; like drivers will get grouped with like drivers.
I have NEVER seen a driver drive backwards, cut corners, ride walls, etc. online so far. I don’t think I am an exception who’s had good luck online; I still come across poor sportsmanship here and there but overall it is very nice! And I do try hard to race clean AND not return any bad behaviour.
Don’t blame others; first do what YOU CAN to contribute to clean racing environment.
Those who are facing a lot of bad behaviour online, do yourselves a favour by driving clean for 1 week.
As proof, here’s my typical online experience from last weekend. I do get taken out towards end of lap 2 (I now realize that it was an over-enthusiastic driver, not someone who’s trying to take me out) but no one in this video is deliberately trying to do harm to others.
@GRD - Without sounding mean (and I am not)…I really hope you meet some of these people and bring your view into perspective. I have raced in countless organised events and raced against many, many members on this forum and I think all will vouch I race clean, hard and fair. Yeah I trade paint and race close but I will never take anyone off and if I have a genuine accident with ANYONE I stop and let them return safely.
Rather than race well behaved for a week I will make a collection of vids to show you some of the incidents. Being rammed off the next corner because you overtook a fast guy on the outside, being speared off at the next corner because you made the slightest contact, sideswiped on the straight for being faster in a straight line, people throwing their cars up on the inside line from 10 car lengths back, cutting the chicane at Spa to hit you off and take the win…I could go on all day and night.
You don’t sound mean at all, really. I have met those people countless times in 10,000+ online races. Still come across them occasionally. I just block them and continue racing.
I believe what you are saying and share your frustrations dealing with online a$&holes. They will always be there. What they are looking for is a rise/response/retaliation.
I’ve hit my friends and they’ve also hit me. It bothers me a great deal when I hit them. It does not bother me when they hit me because I know they did not mean it. You cannot let it bother you because it will eat you up.
Jesus will deal with the wicked on the judgement day! All these crashers will be forced to play in lobbies filled with slow-moving, non-responsive AIs for all eternity.
And the Lord sayeth, “lobbieth thy holy hand grenade toward thine foe, who being naughty in my sight, shall snuff it!”, Book of the Armaments, verse 3.
I agree. I’ve raced totlxtc a few times and he is a clean racer.
We’ve got to fix this corner cutting…it’s getting ridiculous. I got passed on the last corner on the last lap at Yas Marina last night by a guy who was at least 10 car lengths back. He never lifted, dove in and cut the corner, then slammed into the side of my car.
Ironically, there’s still a few sections that have sticky grass, like the outside of the corner on Indy, right before you get on the banking.
Also say a new trend, people using pit lane exit at Yas Marina to make the corner wider.
What about black flags for ‘4 wheels off’ incidents? This would be the most realistic and a solution to serious corner cutting. It would also mean no sticky grass. If you don’t pit on the black flag, the offender is automatically given a DNF. Also, an Icon could appear next to their gamertag so that others could alert and are aware.
T10 don’t seriously want to address corner cutters, they’ve never done it effectively in Fm1, 2, 3, or 4…why do you think 5 will be any different?
We will buy the game irrespective, if the cheaters know there’s no way to cheat anymore then they won’t play it…so which group do you think T10 go after to open their wallets up???
I would like to see a race mode/option/series (whatever you want to call it) in Forza where racing rules are enforced. Those who want arcade driving can avoid that series. Those who like DQ’s and drive through penalties can flock to it. Who loses if they do it this way?