The best way to fix the track cutting is to do a warning if a positioned was gained while cutting then dq the second time. Also when someone goes off track have their gamertag displayed for everyone until he is back on track ‘gamertag is off the track’ would work. So you can keep up who us trying to make up time cutting corners.
The ramming is simple to fix. If someone hits someone hard it’s a basic warning. The second time the player who is rammed has the ability to kick the rammer ‘press Y to kick gamertag’. Kind of like the halo betrayal system
Another option is if you cut a corner, say you are off track dirtying your lap cutting for 7 seconds during the whole race your end finish time + 7 seconds and the resulting finish place.
The reason why this is happening so much in this game is because of people like me!
So someone like me has never played a racing simulator before, I’ve always opted for arcade racing games like NFS ect.
So I buy the new Xbox one and NFS rivals but low and behold they don’t support split screen or car customization!? I mean WTF?! major step backwards. I take the game to CEX trade it in for Forza 5.
The graphics are stunning and the cars are incredible! I fall in love with the car customization aspect and create a unique car that suits me. I start the career and instantly fail fail fail, my assistants are turned up full so everything is practically done for me and I drive like an arcade racer.
I then give multiplayer a go before i have even begun to understand how to play a racing simulator and go straight for A class racing as I think “ill be fast and pwn everyone rofl…” My first race im intentionly ramming people off the road at the starting line, smashing into racers on the corners shouting " WOOOO THATS RIGHT TAKE IT!"
…But then people started hurling abuse? I was so confused, inst the objective to win? So I start looking online and watching guides on you tube and discover what a racing simulator is really all about!
I turn some assists down and start heavily playing the carers, learning how to take corners and breaking. I begin the enjoy racing games on a WHOLE new level and begin to respect the game more.
So the influx of “bad racers” are people who have never played forza or other simulators and until another racing title comes out that allows for local split screen and more customization the arcade trolls are here to stay.
Im one of the lucky ones who saw the light and converted to enjoy this truly brilliant game
I got in an argument with a guy who was cutting on one of the Top Gear tracks. He was in first, I was in second. I would gain on him, then he would cut and I would spend the rest of the lap trying to catch back up. Finally after having seen him do it for three laps, I knocked him off the track. In the lobby at first he denied it, then said he did it only once. Then he said, “Well, the game allows it”. That is the main problem. The game allows it with no penalty so people think it is okay to do it. Something needs to be done.
I’ve just started racing online in Fm5 this week and already I’m noticing some huge differences to Fm3, and Fm4. The largest is simply the mentality of the people is markedly different, you’d get the odd griefer in the past but never before have I encountered so many people unashamedly proud of cutting corners to win. They’ll hopefully move on to something else soon enough, it’s galling nonetheless though. I’m surprised by how brazen some people are about it all. I love smashing their lap times with clean laps and then asking them at the end how their corner cutting is working for them 
I’ve noticed a slightly better experience in the P class lobbies over the X class
As Bloodstone says above…many people think it’s perfectly legit as the game allows it with no obvious penalty
Have resorted to a new way to combat this. Whilst I will always be proud to call myself a clean racer, myself and few friends cannot stand cheats. So if we spot a cheat cutting corners or wall riding we communicate in party and co-ordinate to hunt them down and box them in till they leave. 4 racers on 1 person means they do not stick around for long. Once gone we can carry on racing. All of this is done as to not ruin anyone else’s race and to effectively “police” the lobby.
Aren’t you ruining the race of the guy you’re boxing in?
Who made it your job to “police” lobbies?
Did you ever think that this type of action might end up getting you reported for griefing?
Aren’t you ruining the race of the guy you’re boxing in?
He is corner cutting, wall riding, ramming and cheating. I would say he is ruining the race for ALL of the racers in the lobby. So you condone cheating then? If he wants to race like that then they and their cheating friends can form a private race for themselves.
Who made it your job to “police” lobbies?
No one. But if I have been in a lobby with some excellent racers and have been enjoying good, clean and competitive racing then I will fight to keep it that way. When players cheat or crash, decent players leave the lobby. I would rather deter 1 person than loose more quality players. I enjoy racing, Forza is a racing game not a win at all costs/demolition derby.
Did you ever think that this type of action might end up getting you reported for griefing?
I am not racing round the lobby ruining everyone’s race. I have used FM4’s crash report system in the past plenty of times. But until a system is put in place then I will not tolerate seeing peoples races ruined. It is hard to vote people out so the only way is to give them no reason to want to continue their behavior.
Only the other night a guy was in a Range Rover and laughing out loud as he rammed into groups of people. For the following 3 races we kept him away from the other racers till he quit. The player had obscene language all over his car and only had one intention and that was to ruin everyones race.
If everyone in the lobby felt the same way then voting that guy out of the lobby shouldn’t be too difficult.
Of course I don’t condone cheating. I’d like to think that I’m active enough on these forums for most people to see that as a pretty silly question.
I don’t agree with ramming, corner cuttings, offense liveries, etc… With that being said, I also don’t agree with vigilantism. It’s not our job as players to take matter into our own hands. If you don’t like the lobby - leave. If you don’t like a player’s behavior - report and block. Hopefully, now that we have saved replays in MP, the crash team will make a return. Until then, it’s still not our job to police the lobbies online.
You mention that he had obscene language - but you never mention reporting him to Turn10 or Xbox Live Enforcement. This is something that both parties will take swift action on. Using the proper channels is the best way to get these guys out of the game.
You might have got him out of that lobby but then they moved on to another lobby and caused problems for other players. It’s not helpful to the community if you only police the lobbies you’re playing in - that’s just selfish. If you’d use the correct mechanisms available for reporting problematic players you could be helping the community at large - not just the 14 other players in your current lobby.
The only problem is that it is a violation of the XBL terms of service to harass other players - and doing what you describe could certainly be seen as harassment. Pretty much any ‘retaliatory’ behavior would violate the TOS as much or more so than the original offense. Just report/block as you see fit and move on. If you decide to ‘fix it yourself’ like some have advocated, you might just find yourself on the wrong end of the XBL policy teams enforcement actions.
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By the number of responses and the reads it is clear many are interested in this topic.
I like Totlxtc’s response.
The ideal solution, I believe, must focus on changing the bad behaviour. Boxing-in or reporting an offender temporarily discourages the offender but does not necessarily change the behaviour because he/she can re-do it.
Just like spam or computer viruses it is impossible to police or block 100%. Those creative few will always find a weakness to exploit.
It’s obvious but the solution has to be simple but effective. I like the BLACK FLAG idea. 2 warnings, then black flag = DNF + becomes a ghost, effectively becoming no-one.
I get told so offen that it is just a game and that I should get over it but I don’t like cheating in any form. It’s either someone knocking you off the track to gain a position or corner cutting. Then there are the crash teams. I report them all. There is no need for any of these problems to arise. If you are sick of these people just save the replay, get their names, use the report option and give a reason as to why they should be reported and what game they are on.
We have been given the tools even if some people think it is pointless. Just report. If enough of us do it then I hope we will get rid of the people that do these things just to wreck the game for the rest of us. I and alot of others have paid alot of money to race and race fair.
To those that just want to cause destruction, play tag, virus etc to get the kick out of this game that you bought it for.
I applaud Totlxtc for giving the offender(s) a hard time. At the same time, BartMan01 is also correct. Retaliation can lead to receiving XBL penalty so the proper thing to do would be to report it.
Ok fair enough 
this is so stupid i hate racing online because of all the stupid corner cutting *********!!
oh ya and the wall grinding!!! the first turn on the alps was in the lead then dude flys by me as im braking and he flys into the wall grinding it flying down the track. and indy speedway. i understand every release game for the xbox one was rushed and unfinished but how many other posts about these problems do you need its been like 4 months
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Whoa, whoa… did I just read posts defending cheaters? Sounded like it.
We’re not supposed to police our lobbies cause that might be harassment? We might be ruining their racing experience? What the H-H-Double hockey sticks am I reading? Screw these low life scumbags. I will not concern myself with their experience. I will take them right into a wall first chance I get.
Look, turn 10 isn’t lifting a finger to handle this problem. There is a serious lack of sticky areas to prevent corner cutting. I hate the idea of sticky areas but they at least keep it under control. Also, the wall riders and rammers. I have yet to see a single turn 10 moderator (police officer) policing any online lobbies. So who is supposed to police them? Well that only leaves us, the racers. The clean, law abiding, rule following, integrity filled, winning doesn’t mean at all costs racers who are sick and tired of the bull excrement we have to deal with while racing online.
I not only applaud Totlxtc for his awesome gang of vigilantes, I not only want so badly to be a member myself… I think we should all join the ranks of the Real Racers Kicking Cheater As and make these losers hate Forza so bad they pawn their copy for 50 cents and a stick of gum.
I totally understand the frustration and I totally understand that nothing seems to be getting done about it.
But ramming them into a wall just adds to the problem and would encourage them to do more.
Avoid them, report them, leave the lobby. Taking matters into your own hands by ramming them etc does not help anything or anyone.
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I don’t see anyone defending cheaters. Personally, if you want to ‘police’ the lobbies against these idiots I have no problem with that and would back you 100% if it were up to me. Just keep in mind that FM5 on XBL is not a free and open democracy, it is also not the wild west, and we have not been deputized. It is benevolent dictatorship with the ultimate say in what is proper or improper in the hands of employees at T10 and Microsoft, and ‘policing’ actions could be seen as a TOS violation and met with some form of disciplinary action. If that happens, there is no courtroom in which to defend yourself or explain your actions to a jury of your peers. Just keep that in mind, and behave as you feel is proper and within the TOS you agree to by being on the service.
There are several mechanisms given to us to handle these types of problems that include muting, reporting, and blocking other players. If these mechanisms are used correctly, they should work. If MS for example sees a large number of ‘cheating’ reports in a game for a specific user, they will monitor that persons activities and take appropriate action. Even if they don’t get banned, everyone who cares blocking them will result in segregated lobbies between those that want to race clean and those who don’t.
As long as you tell them why you’re doing it, I think it does. Besides, does reporting them really do anything? This games been out for how long? And it’s still a major problem. Besides, I don’t think of it as ramming them, I think of it as giving them a taste of their own medicine.