Why they can’t just set up a league for unusual cars is beyond me. It would give people a place to go and race them without it being a menace to the majority.
I like to race the limo’s because it’s quite fun. If you get a clean lobby it’s great, if not, it’s a waste of time.
The problem is, Turn 10 provide these vehicles, let people use them, and then take them away for a few idiots. It’s the same with any feature that’s abused. Just get rid of it. Auction house, Gifting, Large vehicles. It’s called throwing the baby out with the bathwater, and all it does is annoy EVERYONE. It annoys the griefers, cos they lose their favourite weapons, It annoys fans of those things because they lose their toys, and it annoys people who don’t care because they get to see the constant arguments about things that are removed etc.
Turn 10 have never been good at subtle, it’s one extreme to another and nothing in between. Which is why we constantly have these issues. I think that for the most part the larger vehicles have been banned as they are harder to avoid than regular cars. However, that is removing something we’ve paid for because of a few idiots, and some young kids who honestly don’t know any better. The first group should be banned, the second educated and helped. But neither of those things requires mass banning of content/features.
Also, I would like to say some of the blame lies with us a s players, how many people come on here complaining and then say they won’t report because it doesn’t work? It won’t work until enough people report griefers. If only a few people report them, Turn 10 will look at other means of fixing the problem. So we have to take some of the blame for this state of affairs, but Turn 10 rightly should take more. But if we’re not going to help them out by reporting people, there’s little they or PET can do!
There needs to be compromise, I’m glad you can now enjoy the game even more. But to achieve what you want, the game has been soured for people like me who don’t exploit the cars size, and race 100% clean. To achieve the role play environment with realistic cars that you want, banning people like me from the cars I want isn’t the answer, custom public lobbies are the answer. Same goes for wreckers, the solution is ghost mode for the first 10 seconds of the race, grid position being based off your position in the last race (if you win last race, you start 1st, etc), ghost mode for over lapped cars, or cars a certain distance behind you (say 1000 meters).
Truthfully, it is for the challenge and yes, because winning is normally to easy. That makes me sound like a (insert insult here) but I’m just telling you the truth.
In some scenarios these cars are actually not only viable, but very fast. The Jeep Willys, Jeep Wangoneer, and Land Rover Defender for example is actually a very fast cars in B class. This is a game, and not a realistic one.
All that said, if I enjoy using them it shouldn’t even have to be questioned, I don’t question people for driving the cars like they like.
The people that want to wreck you don’t need a heavy car to do it, those cars are simply more effective because of their weight.
I’ve been wrecked plenty of times by Civics, Can-Ams, Skylines, Lamborghinis, Veyrons etc., the heavyweights are actually quite easy to avoid by comparison.
In general that might apply, but not everyone is a long term player able to avoid the behemoths.
Also, at the start of a race those big machines are indeed the worst as they can cause log jams just to ruin things right off the bat. But yes any vehicle can be a battering ram. But the larger the mass X velocity, the more damage it causes.
It’s not the cars’ fault but the kids’ that drive them. Can you win in these cars? Of course, as long as you play nice and race against clean drivers.
This just shows how difficult it is to deal with wreckers. Banning some cars will just make them pick other “wrecker’s favourites”. I don’t agree that this is the way to solve the problem. Punish the people not the cars. Introduce a proper way to penaltise the wrekers, and not the people that want to race legitimately in these cars.
Hope it isn’t permanent. People say it all the time, the thing we love about Forza is it’s diversity in vehicles. Now they’re starting to get rid of that, just like the other things we loved about Forza (and I think we all know what they are).
The fact that it has come down to this is sad, It’s NOT the cars, it’s the PEOPLE. T10 needs to find another way around this. Applying the same rule that they’ve done with the removal of the AH and SF of ‘Shut up and put up’ will not work with this. Taking away a few cars will not stop these sad, lifeless creatures from destroying something nice, it’s their nature. They’re GOING to do the same thing no matter what car their in.
A car is like a body, exactly the same as every other body, it may be bigger, it may be small, but they all do the same thing, it’s all down to the driver (or) person whether they use the car (or) body as an offensive weapon.
As I said, it’s the people who need to be banned from the lobbies. NOT the cars.
Sincerely,
A clean and professional Mercedes-Benz G65 AMG racer.
The real problem is the vote to kick being ineffective thus allowing kids to wreck in trucks.
Banning trucks may help prevent some issues, but wreckers are gonna wreck. The most effective wreckers have used cars that will never be banned.
It’s possible this is a temporary solution until an overhaul occurs and could be a sign of a major multiplayer functionality patch. I doubt this will occur, but is a possibility because I don’t recall any banning of wrecker-type vehicles occurring in previous games.
I was watching Johniwanna’s Twitch stream the other night and he mentioned somebody picking a limo for one of the races, but I never saw it. Either because John never came near it, or it wasn’t ultimately selectable. Are the rules different for private lobbies (which I assume the Forza stream is)? There was also a police-liveried BMW X5 in the lobby, but in the real world they have better roadholding than most SUVs, so by substantially lowering it and reducing weight it could be quite effective on track, though it should never trouble an M5.
Also, PJTierney chose a Willys Jeep for at least one race (again, it never appeared on screen, this time because John was too far off the lead) and won with it and received applause from the guys he was dicing with, so it’s not the vehicle so much as the driver (as in real life racing).
I can see both sides of this argument, as I remember in Forza 4 how a lobby with Hummers meant you were going to be nerfed off at every opportunity, but there was a video posted recently of a whole lobby full of Cadillac limos and it looked great fun. Perhaps that’s a solution: make them only available in one-make races? Or in future, just keep these oddball vehicles for the Horizon series, which is more about fun with cars than strictly track-based racing. That might upset the painters though, who like the enlarged canvas these vehicles offer. Hmm, difficult choices.
That Jeep is fun to drive! Powerslides out of every corner but shoots down the straight and turns with ease. I won that Lime Rock race by at least 20 seconds, car flies around there.
It’s actually a decent car at D/400, many players have set Top 50s with it on shorter tracks. I managed to get a Top 50 at Spa Francorchamps (wet) the first time I drove it. This might sound odd but it handles like a punchy Miata when you add Race Tyres, and it’s small enough to be good in traffic as well.
All of this goes back to a simple thing: It’s not the car that causes wrecks, it’s the driver.
Why Can I no longer use my Vandura In public Lobbies?
Assuming its the fault of rammers using it Which I have never seen a rammer use one, Mostly Rammers use the Team Forza Cars, Evos or Imprezas.
Really Annoyed at this decision, One thing you never thought about was they are just going to use something else!
Thanks Wreckers for runing the game for everyone Yet Again!
Not happy with this decison T10
“Do you know how to drive ? NO ? THEN BUGATTI VEYRON IS THE CAR FOR YOU!”
This is the promotional campaign of the car probably.
T10 should make lapped cars invisible anyway , don’t know why they ban cars from multiplayer.
As much as I dont like to see cars banned from online play, looking at the r-class f1 cars, this has been coming for awhile. I mean, couldnt go a day around here without seeing a post with one of these vehicles involved about wrecking.Honestly, even though its possible TO be wrecked by anything, these are the natural standouts, regardless of the actual outliers that do race them. Im looking at it not so much as a negative, bjt at the positive in which turn 10 are actually trying something here, which may lead to further chnges down the road, such as lapped ghost cars and so forth, it may not be popular to have these cars removed, but, it is a step, a small change that could lead to better changes.
What exactly is the mindset of someone who chooses a Jeep Willys or GMC Vandura? Are they bored with winning, and want to prove they can win with something crazy? Or does that vehicle offer a slightly more competitive advantage in certain tunes?
I’ve raced against Jeeps, limos, Vanduras and Range Rovers. I’ve beaten them sometimes, lost to them other times, but I often wonder what the person who chose those cars is thinking. Does it give them more of a challenge, or does it give them a built-in excuse to offer?
Like I said earlier, the one or two people that have actually responded to my question have each said “It’s takes more skill…”, which to me means they’re either claiming they have more skill than everyone, or they’re convinced that tippy-toeing through corners and then mashing the throttle down the straight somehow requires more talent.
The bottom line is you still have to drive the thing around, but don’t tell me you won because of superior talent.
Everyone wants to feel they’re good at something, which I can understand, but people seem to go to great lengths to announce this to everyone.
I race them to intentionally sandbag the race. I race other odd cars for the same reason.
The only time skill is involved is if the build is all out power or it doesn’t have as much grip as you’d normally run on a handling track. But this applies to all cars really.
A few trucks/SUVs provide a competitive advantage. The jeep Willys is the perfect example. Not much skill is required to drive that thing quickly. In this game it has unreal grip physics.
What is the mindset?
What is the mindset? Are you kidding. We have to now have a “mindset” because we chose to play with certain cars that were developed for a game? Why the negative tone? Who is going through great lengths to announce? The only announcement thats prevalent thru the years is that people that drive trucks are crashers.
My mindset is pure and simple. To have some fun, something different, something competitive for myself. Same reason why I choose from a large variety of cars that no one else does. Some of it is indeed going against the grain, which I tend to do in video games… it’s a nice break from the monotonous real world.
Whats your mindset? To take the common fastest car and compete to win against everyone else in the fastest cars. Do you need to win every race? Can I make some presumptioms about you too?
Nothing wrong with either approach. I think you only need to question the mindset of the “crashers”, and people who play games to ruin others entertainment. Why not stick to that, it’s not really that difficult.
What’s my mindset? I don’t know, maybe to go around a track as fast as I can fairly and squarely? That’s pretty much how every race I’ve ever watched goes.
If you’re so skilled that you’re “bored at winning all the time” you apparently get a different satisfaction from racing than most racers do. Do I stick with the same 3-4 cars every race? Pretty much because I want to improve, not just my lap times but my car control and “race craft”. If someone beats me so be it, he’s faster. Maybe I’ll watch his lines or try his car and his tune to see if it helps my times. If not, it’s no big deal. There are always going to be people who are faster then you. Always. But I won’t drive a tricked out Jeep or Vandura simply because it’s a rocket ship down the straights. I’d get zero satisfaction from that. Obviously other people think differently.
The ultimate crux to this point is that the game mixes many different cultures - racers, drifters, wreckers, egotists and even painters who just drive around to show their work. Not everyone is going to be happy with everyone else’s behavior but in my mind you need a common set of ground rules to adhere to if you’re going to have any form of competition. Otherwise it’s just 24 different people fighting for 24 different goals.
100% agree well written. There’s only 1 thing you mentioned I don’t agree with. When you said:
“There are always going to be people who are faster then you. Always.”
No one is faster than me lol
I hate to disagree with the OP but I’m glad they banned the big vehicles. I’ve seen plenty of races where these large SUV’s were picked just to cause wrecks. I don’t recall ever seeing anyone racing one of these vehicles cleanly in a general public online lobby. Not saying some of you don’t race these vehicles clean but as far as I can tell you are a minority.
I do agree this won’t solve the problem and wreckers are still going to wreck but I don’t feel like a limo or SUV really has a place along side a proper race car or exotic /super / hyper street cars. There has to be a better solution to banning them from online racing all together but until that solution exists, I’m happy to have them removed from public lobbies.
With that said I’ve had a couple of private online lobbies where I’ve goofed around with some of the larger cars. This can be tons of fun when everyone is running them so perhaps Turn 10 should create a one make race with all of these types of vehicles and use the voting system to include both track and next vehicle.
My caged, stripped, supercharged Escalade (Transit van, etc) on race tires, race suspension, race brakes, etc, etc, is just as much a race car is the k20 swapped Beetle cornering faster than almost any other car in B class. That’s what the whole draw of this game is, you make race cars out of what ever you want.
In classes with Hyper cars, these cars can’t even make the PI usually. It’s lower classes this effects. Hell ban them from S class and above if you want, I could see that.
I’m not the fastest guy out there, but in public lobbies I’m rarely out of the top three (this might say more about the competition than my skill level) but I refuse to drive one of those things no matter how much advantage they give me, I don’t even want to screw up my driving by adjusting to piloting those things. I’ve seen plenty of good drivers use them solely because they know it gives them an advantage - again, poor vehicle modeling is to blame here.
I also understand that different vehicles are better for certain tracks (Catalunya School and Brands Hatch Indy are hardly suitable for 4000lb SUVs), and I do change cars depending on what track we’re racing on but won’t ever race a Jeep Willys or Vandura in any class, unless it’s a Monthly Rivals Event (anyone remember those? Hello, Turn10?). Call me a prude, but if I wanted to jump out of my car and beat up a prostitute I’d play GTA, not Forza.
We all drive differently and we all have different skills. My muscle car\lead-sled driving skills aren’t well honed, but I don’t care. I’m a corner entry, mid-corner balance and weight transfer driver so I prefer more balanced cars that I can push to their limits.