Have cars like the Escalade, Hummer, Limo, etc, been banned from racing online? [see post #52]

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I finally got into a lobby after almost a month of not being able to find one… only to find half of the cars I like to use aren’t available? I’m not sure if this is just a bug or what, but all of the “large cars” are conveniently not there.

Assuming they have banned these cars, this is the stupidest thing I’ve witnessed from Turn 10. I’ve literally never, and I mean never, been wrecked by a Hummer, Escalade, Limo, or any other "large car"intentionally by a wrecker. But you know what does wreck me all the time? Civics, Integras, Ford Cortinas, Evos, S2000s, etc, etc, you get the picture. And I’m not saying people who drive those cars are inherently wreckers (like people seem to believe about these banned cars) because that’d be idiotic. What I am saying is that wreckers pick fast cars, that they can keep up in, and actually win the race with after they’ve successfully wrecked their competition.

Some of you might argue the cars are useless for anything but wrecking, but that’s just not true. The reason this irritates me enough to make a post, is because I use these cars almost exclusively and consistently win against the general public, it’s only when a wild DTM Lionel or something appears that I need to use a proper car. My Escalade is only 3-4 seconds a lap slower than my fastest cars, which is perfectly adequate for public lobbies, and I like using them for the challenge, which shouldn’t have to be questioned.

This might not affect the large majority of the community, but the people it does effect aren’t wreckers, it’s not like they’ve seen they can’t use their hummer any more and thought “Oh well that’s that, guess I better race clean” they’ll just use another faster car.

Now not all of them are banned, the fast SUV’s seem to still be there, like the Defender and Wagoneer, but the ones I personally liked using are almost all banned, which are the only ones I care about because I’m selfish like that I guess.

If they haven’t actually done this and I’ve just ranted about something that doesn’t exist I’ll go put my head in a bucket bucket of water and cry for 9 minutes.

http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/BIGpoppaKEGdog/video/13243388 shall we ban every car that hit me?

[Edit] Instead of people just replying with “I saw a limo wreck a guy last week, therefore this is a good decision” over and over how about we try to actually discuss this a little. The core of my argument is simple.

I believe it’s about the wreckers themselves, not the cars, lets say a guy used to use the Ford Raptor to wreck people, I believe he’ll just go online, see he can’t use that anymore, and choose another car. Are we then going to ban what ever cars the wreckers take a fancy to next? Where is the line drawn?

If you think I’m wrong, explain why.

[To everyone I’m arguing with in this thread (there are many lol), I’m gonna peace out of this thread, obviously no minds are being changed, for me or you, Snow Owl has explained all I really wanted to know, even if I disagree it doesn’t matter really. I’ve said all I can say. Thanks for discussing it, hopefully Turn 10 can gain something from what some of us have said]

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Pretty sure they have been since the mentality of players driving these vehicles are “crashers”. Honestly don’t understand why SUV’s are in a motorsport game anyway, but I digress.

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In a c class lobby now and you seem to be right. No Hummers etc to be seen. I’d like to say that i’ve never been intentionally wrecked by the big cars but sadly that would be a massive lie.

I guess it’s the minority ruining it for the majority.

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I’d say it’s the majority ruining it for the minority. Why would you race any of those against real cars? You’re not going to win, and if you do it’s because of an exploit, or you’ve bashed your wa to the front with little regard for other drivers. Go play GTA, or a Need for Speed.

They should also ban Jeep Willys, GMC Vanduras and other non-racing vehicles from all multiplayer.

I can see why Project Cars has its appeal.

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I guess my point was that in an ideal world, you could race what you want, but in reality people will wreck or glitch using certain cars, so the easiest thing to do to stop this is to ban the car.

I take your point about the reality of an SUV on a racing track but given that we have all sorts of cars with non-realistic tunes I’m not sure that’s some much of an issue. I generally don’t care what somebody drives as long as they don’t act like an idiot driving it.

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You’re just straight wrong about that, maybe you can’t win in them, but allot of us can and do, or at least did…

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I win plenty, you just don’t see me bragging about it.

Anytime a Jeep Willys or GMC Vandura wins in any multiplayer race it’s mainly because of unbalanced PI and poor coding. There is no way any van could beat a race-tuned sports car, except in this game through exploits or taking advantage of poorly balanced vehicles.

I ask people why they race those things and they always come back with, “It. Takes more skill to win in them.” So I catch them in every corner entry, creep past them mid-corner and then watch as they sail pat on the straight-away. What skill is there in simply mashing the throttle on every straight?

And since when can any Mazda MX-3 go 185mph on skinny stock tires? Only in this game, apparently. It would be easy to create lobbies for the GTA crowd where they can bounce off each other in the corners with their Hummers, Vamdura’s and crazy-powered Jeep Willys, but Turn 10 isn’t interested in doing any more work without getting paid.

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when the Limo was released i was in a pub lobby with some idots in S class whom were wrecking and making a mess. Needless to say, I reported the heck out of them via dashboard.

That’s an example, also the Raptor drivers are commonly a pain too.

That all said, I imagine many of the larger and ‘unique’ vehicles are no-longer allowed.

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For every example of a “large car” you can come up with, I’ll have 5 “normal cars”. But we don’t ban them, and rightfully so. + like I said, those people will now just wreck you in a Wagoneer or something faster, harder to escape them now.

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I wish they hadn’t done that. Seeing Raptors and Escalades being used in a lobby was my trigger to nope on out and try the next.

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Wow some of the logic applied to this topic just proves how hard it must be for Turn 10 to deal with the issue.

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Saw some idiot in a Limo in S class the other day. Person thought they could block the track by parking sideways…until they ghosted! Aha.

Well, Turn 10 has no issues removing ‘leaderboard cars’ (ie the old F1 cars) from R class lobbies so it can be done. They should get rid of the ‘common denominator’ in this case. Heck, I don’t even get why people attempt to run these tank/SUV/troll cars, there’s only two possibilities: a) you’re a wrecker, or b) you’re 5 seconds a lap slower.

Also in S class, a tag team of Country Squires tried to wreck me but failed.

I must say there are a certain few cars that should be restricted to the Playground or Tag Virus for they have no business in circuit racing.

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Doesn’t matter if you don’t get it, I like using unique cars and making them go fast, there’s nothing more to it, not hard to get. And they aren’t that slow, my Limo can top 100 Indy GP, Escalade can top 100 Bugatti circuit (B class), and whatever they’re just LB times they don’t mean much, and they are 3 odd seconds slower than my fast stuff, but a top 100 time is well within lobby car territory to me. You play how you wanna play, why shouldn’t I be able to play my way.

… yes, it is a racing game, so I raced my Escalade like you race your s2k or what ever you prefer, what’s your point exactly? It is a game after all, not real life, the SUV’s don’t drive poorly like they do in real life, they drive like any other car in the game.

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If turn 10 has truly removed them from multiplayer then I THANK THEM FOR IT.

This is a racing title after all…

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I have been wrecked by all of them but moreso by the larger cars.

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I want to point out that I have no doubt lots of wreckers go to SUV’s to wreck people. But if you think about it, you realize it’s a video game, the real life advantageous of a large heavy SUV don’t apply. Lets imagine I’m a wrecker who used to use a Ford Raptor, well now I’ll just use a Wraith, they weigh about the same, not that the weight matters at all. I could wreck you in a Fiat 595, it’d have the same effect.

Wreckers are wreckers, doesn’t matter what cars are available to them, do you really think that the removal of these cars will prevent wreckers? They’ll just use a different car, a faster car… an easier to drive car. Now you have to deal with faster wreckers, that’s all that’s gonna happen.

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Alright, I understand the banning of cars which are absolutely useless and undrivable in any racing situation such as the Gurkha and Hummer but banning stuff like the Transit Van, Vandura, Limo, along with others that are actually feasible and can be fast? This won’t help the wrecking problem, it makes no difference other than a different car choice. For real, there’s so many different options to fix wrecking but nothing that will actually help is being done and if history continues to repeat itself, that’s going to continue.

Now, I don’t get to race some of my favourite fun cars in public lobbies when I want because apparently, this is going to help the wrecking problem. Sigh :(.

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Good point Evan. Turn 10, not only does this not solve the issue. You are also failing to see but this only limits the number of cars they (the rammers) can use. Will you eventually ban every car? If people can’t use a limo or SUV, they will use something else. Furthermore, the community/ majority of clean players have spent money for those vehicles that were banned. Not being able to use these purchased (with REAL money) limits the ability of players able to enjoy the game. There are a number of skilled players who can drive those vehicles amongst other and fellow racers without causing havoc or destruction throughout. For the majority of people throughout the community who can race, in the sake of saving face, racers like raceboy77 and I would strongly suggest a more concrete and organized a solution.

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For some of us we actually want more realism … and less of the “game” so sorry if your escalade didnt make the cut … as far as im concerned until i see suvs starting to win circuit races irl against regular racing cars it has no business on the track … I’ve been victimized far more often than not with some teenaged troll in a shelby raptor or cadillac escalade who not only use their weight but also their MASSIVE SIZE to ensure a higher hit rate at the first corner …not to mention they max out the accell to ensure they can catch up… Dont get me stated with the tag teaming limos which completely block roads!!

Most of us know true wreckers can make more wrecking balls … Forza 4 ford taurus comes to mind. But i will take that smaller ball than those gigantic missiles that are almost sure to get a strike. Bottom line is until they allow us to boot wreckers then whatever options they have to alleviate the situation i am all for it.

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Seems odd to put a bunch of clown cars in the game and then ban them. Just don’t put then in the game in the first place.

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