Festival Playlist events and rewards Apr. 3 - Apr. 10 (Autumn S45)

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I can understand sharing different builds, but heres the thing with this one in particular, and Ill relate it to the big picture:

I see you shared the rally tires tune, but I didnt notice a disclaimer in the title letting people know that its not an ideal option. When you get a ton of downloads, how is your average or below player supposed to know thats not a tune thats going to give them the best chance in the trial, even though “trial” is in the title?

So I do the trial a lot and not only do I notice theres a lot of subpar driving, but theres also a lot of people that show up in “less than ideal” tunes … to put it nicely. The result is a lot of trials where a 3rd race is necessary, or replaying the whole trial … because the average person ends up being a liability. People talking mess about trial teammates and being annoyed by the lack of help is a constant thing. Now, how does it help the community to get hundreds, or thousands, of people showing up in subpar cars because they see a tuner the game’s algorithm features sharing a tune named “trial whatever” but with no disclaimer that said tune isnt meant to be taken as the ideal option? Hows the average, casual player supposed to know that tune is a lesser option, meant for people trying to use a lesser option?

That’s what Im trying to say about it.

If the title included a disclaimer, I got zero problem. But when it doesnt, its like its playing a role in making the trial experience a mess at times. Because people download it because “if its popular, it must be good” … then they show up in it, yadda yadda yadda, have fun with a team struggling.

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In my Trial runs there averaged half the players using untuned Mini’s or stock tire tunes that they couldn’t handle and spent seemingly the entire time bouncing off walls.

My Tunes, including the rally tire tune, have been very easy to drive and competitive and I think they served the community better than stock tire tunes.

I didn’t think my tunes needed a disclaimer when they were certainly capable of placing 1st in the Trial.
If a player couldn’t place 1st than they weren’t going to regardless of the tune and that’s perfectly fine because it’s not everyone’s goal to do so.

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I’ll just leave this here.

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Driving skill being equal, rally tires are literally the worst option at Lookout … using a stock Mini not withstanding. Slicks better. Race better. Vintage white walls better. Stock tires better.

Driving skill being equal, rally tires are literally the 3rd worst option at Chihuahua … using a stock a Mini not withstanding. Slicks better. Race better. Vintage comparable (ive done further tweaking and testing).

It doesnt sound like youre getting the “driving skill being equal” part. I could probably win 90% of trial races in a D 400 Mini against people in D 500 Minis. That doesnt make a D 400 Mini a good option to market to the masses with the inference that its a good option.

People downloading a tune expect it to be the best option unless otherwise stated. How is the average, casual player supposed to know? Then I get DM’d in the game with people asking me why my car is faster, why my car handles better … I must be “hacking”. The response is: “No, your car just isnt built right. Thats not MY fault. Take it up with yourself or whoever you got it from”.

Im just saying it would be nice if the casual player could at least be confident in thinking that whoever they get the tune from at least thought the build was ideal, rather than knowing its not ideal but being marketed as such. You knew better this week.

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Not sure why you keep bringing up skill being equal, especially in the context of a casual player.

A casual player is going into the Trial just wanting to get the Trial done and over with on the first try. They’ll perform better in an easy to drive tune compared to one that has them bouncing off walls.

What I did know better is that players deserve more choice than just what’s considered the ideal build. Do you feel the same about people sharing stock tire tunes? Because they certainly weren’t the ideal build.

All things are rarely equal in every Trial considering different starting grid positions and drivatars diving clear across the road to jump in front of you to then brake check so you rear end them losing your momentum, but with that said, the rally tires ended up with better finishing times than vintage white walls in my runs.

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I’d argue the casual player would be much better off in a rally tire tune,cos its easier to drive. I only had a rally tire tune in my garage when the car selection screen came up so used that. Won all 3 races easily enough,cos i could just blast past all the faster cars at the corners.

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So don’t use a tune at all then, that player in the stock Mini who scored 0 in both races in my team still ended up with the 10pts.

People on this very forum prove a tune isn’t required to do all but the occasional playlist task, someone who just goes for the 20 and 40pts technically never has or needs to use a single tune.

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Ok, but you’re going to have a better chance of completing the events the first time with a tune and trying to act like sharing a rally tire tune was a crime against humanity is beyond the pale.

I tested all of the tire types in the rain on Chihuahua and the rally tires put down better lap and finishing times than the other tire types.

People want to go on and on about them being the worst choice on perfect road conditions like Lookout but conveniently don’t mention the wet roads of Chihuahua and Las Jardines.

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Ok, here we go …

If the rationale is “easier to drive”, Im assuming what is meant is more manuverability, more margin of steering error, and less need of braking. If thats the case, both race tires and slick tires are easier to drive … and both do faster laps than rally tires. I have the #1 time in a Mini on both leaderboards and have tested all these tires options, so I know exactly what all the options are able to do. Theres no less than 2 options better than rallies on any of the 3 races, no matter what rationale you want to use.

Not only that, but specific to his rally tune: His shared rally tune has 82 hp. You can get 82 hp on slick tires, and more than 82 hp on race tires. On every tire option besides stocks, both Chihuahua and Lookout are full throttle burns for the entire lap except for 2 braking zones. Maximum power possible to combine with whatever non-stock tire option is paramount. Any less and the tune is less than ideal. If the build for the tire compound is ideal, there is no question as to how the tire compounds rank.

And if despite the “ease of driving” one still manages to mess up, rallies rank last in potential to make up for a mistake. Ideal stock tire builds have a lot more power. If one does mess up, they can immediately gain ground after getting going again. Gaining ground on stocks after a mistake in the other tire compounds has to happen in turns. When you compare the other tires catch up capability, its a combination on how they do in straights against each other, and how well they do in turns against each other. Out of rallies, race, slicks, white walls … rallies have the lowest combination out of the 4. Tested.

And while we’ve been debating rallies, I took a lot at his 3 shared tunes that were all featured by the game. In this thread we learned that 2 were white walls (good choice) and rallies (a lesser choice). So I was expecting the 3rd shared tune to be slicks (tied with white walls for #1 choice) or race tires (a slightly lesser choice than slicks) …

… instead, the 3rd tune was street tires. Street tires. What are we doing here? (Edit: I looked into this street tires tune more and they arent completely ridiculous … none of these are “completely ridiculous” and that was never my point … but this street tires build is still worse than the ideal rally tire build (as well as slicks/race/white walls) at both Lookout and Chihuahua.)

But back to my original original point: If you know an option is lesser and have hundreds to thousands using your tunes every week, it would be nice to let people know if a tune is lesser … nicer to the downloader, nice to the rest of us trying to pass trials. BUT … if you genuinely don’t know which is better, and have tested and think all are equal … while I can’t imagine how that could not be possible, especially from a legendary tuner … then I apologize for assuming said knowledge. My only issue is when there’s sharing of something known to be lesser, presented as if its not lesser.

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Dude … I tested all of these in dry and wet. If you’re really getting the results you say you are, fine. Carry on. But those results arent a reflection of what ideal builds for each tire compound can do … they are a reflection of what YOUR builds can do with you driving them. I’m starting to think you are actually a much better driver than you give yourself credit for.

But as I said at the end of my previous post, if you genuinely believe your shared tunes are not lesser options due to your testing, none of my critiques about sharing labels apply, and I apologize.

But I assure you, in ideal builds at Chihuahua… slicks>race>rallies>white walls>stocks. At Lookout … white walls>slicks>stocks>race>rallies.

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On a completely different topic, the championship with the Hoonigan Bel Air was an unexpected favorite. A large percetage of teammate showed up in very good B class dirt tunes for the car, and I ended up with some of the most evenly matched online racing in upgraded cars that Ive had in the entire lifetime of the game.

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much more fun driving the Bel Air stock

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Define fun :rofl:

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It definitely looks better stock. Aero looks hideous on that thing. I had a bunch of wheel to wheel racing, lap after lap, though. Im here for that.

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I wasn’t intending to get into a debate,but with you taking the time to write such a comprehensive reply,it would be rude of me not to :slight_smile:
I want the usual skill challenged players i seem get on my teams to be able to at least keep whatever rubbish tune they’ve picked on the track and out of my way.Only done a few of this mini challenge,but the majority of players in fast d500s could not handle them very well in the dry,and not at all in the wet .I’ve even beaten a couple of them when using a stock mini ,they were so clueless. I’m not talking about people with a modicum of talent here

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That all sounds reasonable to me. My bad for how the start of that came off. This whole debate goes a little deeper than just whats been in this thread. I shared some testing results with him before any of the tunes were shared … and to simplify it as much as possible, I wasnt aware that his testing yielded such different results, and Id first thought he was putting out tunes knowing that they were lesser, but marketing them without acknowledging that. As a featured tuner, I felt that could add to the mess we see in the trial.

But if he tested and honestly thinks they are all equal or close enough to equal, hey, its all good.

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No worries :slight_smile:

Just been doing a few more in the stock mini,and its a real eyeopener on how bad the rubber banding is. Just had a 3 man team,2x500s and me stock,meaning drivatars were 4x500,2xstock. I was obviously left on the start,but the 2 stock drivatars were pulled away so far that i just couldn’t get close. I was dnf’d but was at least 10 seconds behind the 2 stock cars.In another Lookout i finished last again in 4.07, a full 16 seconds behind another stock drivatar.I drove well enough but was 5 seconds a lap slower,Lookout in 3.51 in a stock mini! :smiley:

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On a positive note, I think we can 100% all agree that taking a stock D 291 Mini to the trial is not a winning option.
:slightly_smiling_face:

I did 3 or 4 trials in a stock mini and did manage to beat all the AI stock minis and few terrible showings by players in a D 500. One good thing about D 500s on stock tires is that if one manages to not mess up, they get ahead of the AI cars and stop the rubberbanding. But if they do mess up and let the AI cars get a run out, it can get ugly.

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:backhand_index_pointing_up:t2:

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this was pretty much a repeat event from only 3 months ago, I think over 5k people downloaded both mine and ShadowsBanes tunes, the large percentage you refer to must have been driving mine :wink:

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