Engine Sounds [see post #27]

Can I just remind everyone, not to ghost mod or white knight here…that let’s keep this as constructive as possible. I am sure PG are reading and lurking and will address some of these issues (maybe not everything) so lets just keep pushing positively and calmy and respectfully in the right direction. Yes, we’d love if they’d create sounds for every car like the attention to detail then gave the Senna, but yes, it also goes to say the wrong sounds between games or the “this sounded bette, now it sounds worse” arguement is a great place for them to start investigating.

Can we make a list? I feel we need to make a comprehensive list of suspect cars.

So far my experience cars that are inaccurate…
Fxxk , La ferrari
Zonda R all pagani’s actually
All k series and b series Honda’s
The Porsche carrera GT
Most newer BMW’s like the m4 , m1 etc shared fake Rb26 sound from FH3
The Skyline R32 , 33 , 34
The Sr20det swap out of the s15

Not sure about others because I haven’t driven them personally in the game but saw some vids of the viper and the alfas, maseratis etc etc that are bad sounds.

much disappointment here too

There was a livestream, I asked devs to check the Feature Wishlist thread for the lists of inaccurate sounds that used to be better, but they didn’t answer. Maybe they will check it though…

Jesus Christ, and again, the Ferrari 250 series sounds real bad in FH4. The only decent 250 Ferrari I have heard in Forza Horizon was the 250 GTO in the first Horizon.

Real Ferrari 250 sound

Forza Horizon 4 sound

This is a real let down. Classic Ferrari’s as the 250 GTO are one of my favorite cars, also because of the amazing V12 sound. Knowing the sound is real bad I will probably not buy it and save myself some millions in game. I cannot explain how important the sound is, it’s one of the main reasons why I love to drive cars in game, shifting manual through all the gears to enjoy the power and sound, too bad it can’t enjoy it once again.

Hello, I’ve just found this video randomly, Forza Horizon 4 engine sound. I’m not a specialist in cars or whatever is related to them and I can’t complain about the game, it’s amazing, but I think you should see it.

I think the biggest problem is, that there are so many different complaints and so many wishes from different people, that they dont know how to start the fixing :slight_smile:

My biggest issue for example, what i never read here before, is the sound of the Subarus.
The Classic Legacy and 1998 22b sound like a modern Subaru twinscroll turbo with EL manifold which they built since 2005.
In the ears of a Subaru owner like me this is an absolute disaster :smiley: Where is the deep rumble? One of the most iconic sounds in rallye history ever :frowning:

I will try to mention this again on the right thread. I think, here is just not the right place to get attention of the developers.

That’s why I think that we should make ONE list with all the cars that need fixing along with brief explanation and game where the sound was correct. I and one other person made a lists like these in Features Wishlist. We need to get them into one and add those that are missing. Doubt they will do this much but it’s good to try.

Sounds in this game are simply a mess.

  • Requiring you to set your PC speakers to a specific bitrate and surround configuration JUST so the sound actually works. (Static and crackle issue)
  • Random loud water splashes when there is no water on the road.
  • Grinding noise on all up and downshifts with manual+clutch (Granted, this is probably a separate issue, but still ruins the experience of driving older cars in the game).
  • There is no turbo spool/induction noise, and no BOV flutter/release sound. (HUGE immersion breaker. I honestly can’t wrap my head around this one. Hopefully the guy on the mixer just forgot to adjust the slider)
  • As mentioned above and shown in the video, most engine sounds are flat out WRONG, and there are huge differences in engine volume from car to car. (What the heck happened? Why was it so hard to simply copy the sound files from FH3 to this one?)

I really hope they listen to the community this time, or that there’s more attention brought to this issue so that ignoring it really starts to make them look bad. This needs to be fixed. IMO, the game is broken until it is.

I noticed the lack of turbo sounds in FH4. On the biggest turbo beasts like the Audi group B car, you can hear it… but only just. The blow off valve sounds are completely absent on many cars, and the turbo spool is so quiet that I need to be wearing headphones and focus all my attention on it to even hear it. Why did they mess this up so badly? I’m so disappointed that the sound in the Forza Horizon series has been 2 steps forward (better environment sounds in FH4, better cockpit mixing), 2 steps back (missing turbo sounds, incorrect engine sounds, poor engine sound mixing) every single time.

Also I swear I have noticed Drivatar opponents in solo races have completely incorrect sound samples. I’ve heard V8 Focus RSes, 4 cylinder Ferraris, etc. There’s a bug here for sure.

That’s very unfortuate too. I loved driving next to for example Carrera GT and hearing that signature sound it makes.

Here’s what I posted in Feature WIshlist Thread on the sounds, hope everyone agrees and if there are any more cars that need a change and are not on the list, but really need change (if they sound acceptable then let them be, devs can only do so much) then please let me know.

"(parts of the post were already posted but I decided to connect the lists I and Levix IV made to make one updated list)

Dear Turn 10 and Playground Games

There are cars that used to sound much better in previous games. Many sounds are also copy/pasted, even when cars are very different. Forza Horizon 3 was better in terms of sounds accuracy than Forza Horizon 4. I don’t expect completely new sounds (some newest cars like Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio should be recorded though) but reusing already good sound files from FH3 will be prefectly fine.

If it’s needed everyone can update, copy and share the list wherever they want to.

Some positions on the lists are courtesy of Levix IV who made a good list as well, just thought it would be good to have it all in one. I also updated some of my entries.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMToNfSCF_0 - a video showing some problems with the sounds, part 2 is on the way. This one has already almost 30k views and around 2600 upvotes (at time of writing) with many people expressing their concerns about the sounds in the comments. (currently has much more)

Here’s the list of sounds I and other members of the community found wrong: (based not just on me but also reading forums, those are not just my concerns)

-VTEC Sound - Honda Civic 1997, 2004, 2007, 2016, Acura Integra, Acura RSX, VVT engine swap. All share the same sound that most strongly disliked. Used to sound much better in FH3 and had more variety. The interior sound is good but the exhaust sound is very bad in all the opinions I seen on this sound.

-Audi TTS - Shares sound with VTEC. Sounded great in FH3.

-Mazda RX8 - Had a better sound in FH3, more pleasing to ears. The current exhaust sounds somewhat similiar to VTEC sound in the game…

-Ford Focus RS MK II - As pointed out by anothee user, sounded a bit better and more accurate in FH3.

-Ford Mustang GT350R - Had a great sound in FM7.

-Ford GT 2018 - Had a better sound in FH3.

-Maserati Grandsport S and Alfa Romeo 8C - They both need the sound of Grandsport from FH3. 8C has the same engine in real life as the Maserati and been using the wrong sound for a long time.

-Kia Stinger - used to sound better in FM7

-Dodge Charger Hellcat - also better sound in FM7

-Ferrari FXXK and LaFerrari - Sounds very generic, had great unique sounds in FH3.

-Ferrari 488 GTB- used to sound good in FH3

-Pagani - Generic sounds, they all used to be better and unique in FH3

-McLaren P1 - had much better sound in FH3

-Dodge Viper V10 - You can barely hear the signature Viper note. It sounds a bit like an V8. Sound is good previous titles (FH3 and FM7)

-#2 Audi Sport quattro S1: sounds good on its own but there is an extreme lack of volume of the turbo chirp.and flutter. This was also the same in Motorsport 7. Please add this in.

-Mercedes C63 Black Series - Had a better sound in FM7.

-Ford Falcon XA GT-HO - better sound in FH3

-Ferrari Enzo - sounds a bit weak. It needs a better sound…

-Ferrari F430 Scuderia - Didn’t test it but it has been said that it has 458 sound. Needs it’s unique sound from FH3 back.

-Ferrari 458 and Speciale - Needs FH3 sound back.

-TVR Cerbera 12 - Sounds a bit weak for a monster it is in real life.

-Porsche Carrera GT - FH3 sound was so much better. New one doesn’t have the high pitched “scream” the old one has. (in interior view it’s actually accurate but the exterior view needs FH3 sound back)

  • Porsche Cayman GTS\GT4 - sound isn’t too bad but FH3 had better exhaust crackle sounds.

-Nissan RB26 - Skyline R32\33\34. Used to be so much better in FH3 (R32\R33 sound) and great in FM6. New one doesn’t sound like the real one. (The recent update changed the sound, but it’s according to community even worse)

-Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio - intrestingly this one sounds more like RB26 than actual Skylines as shown in the video. Doesn’t sound like Alfa though.

-BMW M4 - Was a bit better in FM7.

-BMW M4 GTS, 1M, M2 - Those had a very good sounds in FH3, they need to be brought back. In FH4 they share sounds with RB26 Skylines (all inaccurate)

-BMW I8 - Sounded a bit more refined in FH3.

-1966 Ford Lotus Cortina: has the wrong sound and sounded very accurate with its 1.6 litre twin-cam in Horizon 3. It sounds nothing like it does in real life.

-Mercedes-Benz 190e 2.5-16 Evolution II: sounds like a very generic four-cylinder engine… something similar sounding like the Ford Escort RS1600 MKI. It sounded its best in Forza Horizon 3.

-2011 Ford Transit SuperSport Van: has a generic diesel sound that does not sound like a diesel inline-5 turbo. It sounded very accurate and decent in Forza Horizon 3.

-MG Metro 6R4: the sound it too sharp and lacks the crackling noises in this game. Sounded its best in Forza Horizon 3.

-Subaru Impreza and Legacy - All used to be better in FH3.

-Formula Drift cars - most if not all of them have significantly worse sound than FM7 which had a good sound for those cars.

-Cars with DSG gearbox need to make distinct sound during upshifts like in FH3.

Please also look at other lists above as well as big positive feedback on the video by Fast Lane Gaming. There are people who love your game who are passionate about cars and having the realistic sound is to us just as important (if not more) as good graphics and new features. We were making those posts since FM7 (which also suffered from worse engine sounds than previous games, many of which carried over to FH4). There are dozens of pages and hundreds of posts in sound threads for both games where people are concerned about the sounds and we still hope old better sounds can be brought back. Hope you’ll listen to us, finally…

With best regards

PiotrGT"

This is perfect, T10/PGG please take serious note of this

Piotr you are 100% spot on here.

The devs need to read this post, it 100% explains the problems needing to be addressed!

TURN 10 LISTEN TO US!!

Thanks, credit goes to also Levix IV and Fast Lane Gaming (the video has just hit 2700 upvotes not long ago, as well as almost 40k views) . I just hope they will fix them, I love this game, other than sounds and some performance issues on OG/S Xbox One as well as missing manufacturers (which is not T10/PG fault) it’s almost perfect. I just wish it was as good as it can possibly be, I know they can…

Lot of car sounds horrible in the FH4. I don’t understand how they dare using the same V6 sound for lot of cars ( m2 1m m4 , giulia etc) . It’s a so high quality game and they doesn’t care about the sounds… PLEASE MAKE A PATCH!!!

Maaybe you already notice but the new Focus RS share the soundfile with the Vauxhall Corsa but with lower tone…

I was watching the stream as well. I honestly complained until it forced a response lol. I got a response from a moderator saying they are taking notice of all feedback - but also actually got a reply from @Forza themselves saying “We check a great many sources for feedback about the game including our forums. Don’t worry it all gets read”. And honestly, that’s all I wanted, was for some sort of feedback to know they are listening. So, I mean that’s somewhat good news I guess. Now I just hope they take our criticism to heart and do something about it.

Really? That gives me some hope. I was there too, for a short while and I asked like two times but didn’t get answer and stopped watching after few minutes because I was busy.

They are obviously not listening the old bad sounds thread on The forza 7 page has 44k views and 32 pages of post. You would figure going into horizon they would realise that they should do something to correct this.

How can a broken log that i hit with my car sound amazingly real but my car sounds like a korg synthesizer.

I have another bone to pick please turn 10 update you turbo spool and bpv/ blow off valve. You have used the same handfull since forza 4. Also why does every car after fire. I can understand burble and some flameless farts. You could at least what untill some upgrades have been done to shoot flames on my stock rs.

Yep the turbo spool and BOVs are worse than they have ever been. Many cars don’t even have a BOV sound or it’s completely inaudible, and the spool is so quiet it can barely be heard on most cars.