DEAR TURN 10...

How is that any different to how T10 have always been? They have never been forthcoming with information, ever.

Since FM1, I have never felt like a beta tester for Forza. The problem with the complaints about bugs and what not, are the people who go onto full multi-thread rants. Instead of just calmly and precisely listing the issues they are facing, and under what circumstances, as well as stating if the issue is repeatable. Now more than ever, it is so easy to show evidence to back up what is happening also; as the Xbox one has a built in DVR. Plus there are others like myself, who have invested in such things like capture devices. But no one ever backs up what they have to say when they throw these complaints out, they just go off on one ranting and raving and ordering T10 (or any dev) to fix it as soon as, or else! Game development and bug fixing/testing just does not happen like that, as it takes time to pinpoint issues in a games code, fix it, and then make sure it has not broken something else. And before anyone says “bugs in the code shouldn’t be there in the first place”, well, have you ever tried to make a piece of software such as Forza? There will be thousands upon thousands of lines of code, and one change to that code has the potentiality to break everything. Which is the case with this rather large and unheard of content update from T10. We also do not know what version of the xbox dashboard T10 are using, which could be newer or older than the version we are all using on our systems at home. Often the case with bugs in software, is they will not happen on the devs systems, but only show themselves when out in the public. Which is far too late then.

Who says T10 do not read the forums? Just because they do not post from their T10 accounts very often, does not mean they are not here. There used to be a saying that a few mods would say, “you never know who you are talking too”. So that would lead most to believe that some T10 staff use the forums under stealth, which makes perfect sense. As people around here have a habit of getting rather noxious while debating in game issues.

T10 have barely ever responded directly to issues, unless they are massively game breaking ones. Only really giving information when they have something definite to say. I have been here for 3 console generations now, and it has always been the same.

As for regards to the DLC and the ‘possible’ deadline, it is ‘possible’ that T10 where hoping to drop this update and DLC in a few weeks time at E3. What with it been so close and all. But with people in certain shops leaking pictures of the Xbox content code cards, they may have decided to drop it early. Since you know, the cat was already out of the bag.

Fact of the matter is, we do not know. And quite frankly, if T10 where posting here with a constant stream of information; then that means someone would have to take time away from their job fixing these issues to give a status update to a team manager, who would then need to stop what they are doing to give the same status update to a community member, who would then be reporting to the droving masses what is happening in a PR friendly way.

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Who said that T10 didn’t read the forums? Snowowl did yesterday in a separate thread.

Also I don’t think its too much to ask of a corporation to have a liaison between management and the paying customers. I don’t think anyone with a lick of sense expects the coders to stop what they are doing to answer questions on a forum, that would be stupid. However, most corporations have PR staff that run their public presence and through them information is allowed to filter out. They also act as a conduit back into the corporation so they can gauge the response they are getting.
I would LOVE it if I could just do my job, get paid and not have to deal with any of the blowback from paying customers when I didn’t perform that job correctly. I don’t have that luxury, I have to do my job and handle my own PR. I let either one slide and I suffer the consequences personally.

In the reporting bugs part I have pointed out a few minor ones and have experienced many that I have seen reported. In my post I also alluded that T10 ought to have a method of reporting, categorizing and prioritizing bugs. I may as well as scream in a bucket for all the good reporting anything in the support forums is doing. It is also the only method available to me and other paying customers of reporting any found errors. I understand there should be dedicated coders to keeping the DLC coming and generating a revenue stream to keep the lights on but there should ALSO be dedicated coder(s) that track down and eliminate issues that arise. I guess they need to learn to walk and chew gum at the same time? Thinking that it has to be an either/or situation is quite frankly silly and if it is done like that then its managements fault for not adequately using and allotting resources. We aren’t talking about some tiny ma/pa outfit here. These guys have been around awhile and should know the drill by now.

So now they get to go to E3 with egg on their face for dropping obviously flawed content because someone leaked a few pics? While they may or may not read their own forums and realize all the negative publicity they have generated from it, I’d bet their competitors do and are waiting to capitalize on it.

Now that I know what it takes to handle a NASCAR on circuits like Indianapolis Motor Speedway and Watkins Glen and Sonoma, I’ll be more involved in the sport of NASCAR, which I’ve been giving second and third and forth fiddle to the other major motorsports. These cars are not easy to drive and it takes come getting accustomed to the power band of the just four gears, but yeah, I have to agree, the update is a pretty awesome experience and will be even better when all vibration parameters are returned to the controller with the next Xbox One update.

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People like to whine about hate posts but brown nosing is just as cringe worthy.

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Teacher’s pets!!! They think that T10 will just up and stop making Forza Motorsport Games if they don’t suck up. Personally, I think we should make as much noise as possible regarding the release day bugs that still haven’t been fixed (08 ACR remove spoiler option, Chally HC engine sound) until we either:

A. Get the bugs recognized and patched
B. Get told by T10 to kick rocks, because they’re never going to fix “free” content. Which is how they treat base content, as if we didn’t pay $70 bucks for the game in the first place.

I also would like to add that I’m starting to see that posting in the “Wish-list” threads and the “Bug reporting” threads are a waste of time. Its sort of a “recycle bin” of posts that get thrown in there because they weren’t suggested by the select few who are favored by the mods. Heck almost any thread within the forum falls into 1 of 4 categories:

Bash Post
Brownnose Post
Car/Feature Wish
Bug Report

So if they’re moving posts they should realistically only have 4 threads in the forum.

P.S. Bring back my FM7 suggestion as a thread so that we could have some real discussion.

Thank you for helping me prove a point, much appreciated.

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I proved your point??? All I proved is that there is no debate of the issue, all we have is people pointing out little bugs(ACR, Chally HC) that should be simple to fix and then they’re hit with T10 flag waving by the apologist crew as if it’ll get you some kind of preferential treatment in game. Look, there are bugs that have been in game since day one and all we get is more DLC content and fixes for the DLC content whenever its broken while the base game content gets no attention.

They’re on their way to becoming no better than Android app developers who fill their app with micro-transactions.

I never said that there was not any issues, so stop right there before you start down that road. What I did say, however, was this:

If you have listed your issues, move on and leave it. You can do nothing more than that, and constantly badgering it across the entire forums will not help your case at all. It will just annoy the moderators, who, by the way, do not get paid to keep this place as sane as possible.

People just need to chill out, it is only a video game for heavens sake.

P.S And yes, you proved my point perfectly.

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[Mod Edit - Knock it off. This is an E for Everyone game and the forum rules specify not attacking other users so that everyone can feel welcome here without being criticized by gender or any other person attribute. If you can’t be mature enough to debate topics without personal sniping then you will not be welcome here. - MM]

In FM5 semi-gloss paint is listed as ‘Chrome’, and matte paint is listed as ‘Gold’.


So not enough of a point to prove that the ACR wing is indeed supposed to be removable.

dubbed post, delete whenever

LOL… brown nosing… liking & mentioning that a person likes a particular DLC is brown nosing? Ha…haha…hahahahahahahahaha

Dear T10 I am the biggest idot. I use a steering wheel while using cockpit view with not one single assist. I actually broke my first wheel out of so much fustration dealing with all the bugs and force feedback issues. During the Trefeo Lambo events I had to buy another T3PA because I broke 1st TP3A pedal set(gas pedal). All the rival events including chasing Triton around Brands Hatch has made me a faster driver but no way in hell can I keep up with a controller user. During the Lambo events I witnessed cars recovering from turns and wrecks that a wheel user would never be able to do. Man I felt so stupid sitting on the grid racing against nothing but controller users and then to put salt on a wound I could not look left or right sitting in cockpit view. I messaged a lot of drivers and asked if they were using a wheel and 99% replied noway they use a controller. I honestly meet one guy who was using a wheel and advice me to use 720 DOR and it worked using the new Lambo Gt car I was using 900 DOR. During the event/rivals a lot of advice I got was to use a controller instead of a wheel. The only thing my wheel is good for is at the ovals on the rivals leaderboards. I dont expect you to fix the wheel problems after all Thrustmaster is not your product nor is fanatec wheels. I know controller users are your bread and butter but can you come out with an upgrade expansion that fixes all the issues dealing with using a wheel and I will gladly BUY it. If not I have thick skin my feeling wont get hurt if your just honest and say your not going to address any wheel issues. Thanks for your time, Grip.

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Oddly enough ive defended t10 quite a bit in this thread.

Fulgrip, it is completely possible to be as fast as controller users on a wheel, it takes practice and dedication. Ever thought that the problem with the wheel, might be the persons hands its in. You can catch slides, you can beat controller drivers. No, the ffb is not good in forza but thats no excuse for your driving. I choose not to play forza on a wheel because the ffb is terrible but it can be done at equal skill levels as top pad users. Secondly, the wheel implementation is t10’s issue not the wheel manufacturer. Other games arent directly connected to fanatec or thrustmaster and the wheel works very well in their game because they have a proper ffb system.

Tip: Try even lower dor on faster cars. It is suggested by many, even t10 (iirc) to use 540 dor. I ran the higher class cars at 540 or 360. I prefer never having to go hand over hand and quick response.

PTG baby cow, ur exactly right thats why I said I would never be able to keep up with (pinnacle) controller users. I am in pinnacle and I am to slow to be in this league because those guys are alien fast drivers. Your reply about why you choose to use controller verses wheel proves my point. I stick with the wheel even if the feedback is terrible I paid to much money to let it collect dust. My point about recovering from certain turns/slides was about contact with other cars are not exaggerated. The wheel goes lifeless when a car touches my car on the front or rear bumper of my car never near the door. I have seen other wheel users bring this up in other threads so I am not making this up. Two updates ago I was using 540 DOR but then switched to 900 DOR because the S Class cars responded better on most tracks. Then tried 720 for the lambo events and it honeslty helped from keeping the rearend from coming around. Then switched to 270 DOR while playing X class in ghost leagues. I hope they make corrections for all wheel user branded products. I just thought maybe forza is waiting for microsoft to make its own wheel to support the forza series. Thanks again for the wheel DOR suggestions.

Defo will not be buying the nascar expansion when will turn10 actually realese some good dlc the last good come to come out on forza 6 was the nismo GTR

Im running out of popcorn and soda reading all of this, im beings entertain big time…

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Agreed ▲▲▲▲
I’ve been regularly amazed how many “people” will spend 1/2 hr practice and the same qualifying, to then try to wreck all those around them playing PCARS.