Agression in team races

ill keep this short. why on the unbeatable season events are team mates overly agressive instead of working as a team. i was pushed passed checkpoints countless times or rammed into in heavy breaking corners. hot wheels has this right and just ghosts the car.

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yeah, maybe I’ve been lucky recently but yeah

anyone reading this who I’ve bumped into - sincere apologies, I try to avoid crashes more than I try to win

just try to be forgiving, however hard it might seem and however intentional a given incident might appear to be

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Since I mainly drive Tours I know exactly what you’re talking about. It’s either incompetence or something I can’t really write about here without getting into trouble. :wink:

“I love my teammates. I love my teammates.” :heart:

*I try to avoid the vortex of danger unless I genuinely have enough of a vector to pass before I can be stopped dead by a wall. Also take tighter, slower lines unless I am far enough ahead.

That way even if you are hit they often stay behind and you are less likely to spin or go wide into a wall. You risk the outside pass if they are good enough, but that’s much better than being T-boned and taken out. :+1:

**Sometimes people don’t actually know they are hitting you. Obviously many do, but desync & latency add their own elements to the chaos.

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Easy. They learned that’s what works in single player. Most games that aren’t purely single or multiplayer have this issue.

In singleplayer games you get told that YOU have to win no matter what. You also “deserve” it. And when you find yourself among other real people that’s hard to shake off. Or they just think everyone else is a bot, “just because” or for justification of their actions.

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I’m not as nice as others on here so I don’t mind saying it.

Many people in this + every other big franchise’s online modes are just stupid, it’s as simple as that.

And I’m not even using stupid as an insult, it’s just the truth that nobody with an ounce of intelligence would ever think that corner bombing + pushing their own teammates out of checkpoints is the right thing to do.

There are definitely unintentional collisions but you can often easily tell the difference between the two by what happens after.

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exactly even when its not a team race and i make a dirty overtake by accident… i will let of the throttle and the them take their position back. i often get a toot of the horn… i like to think thats them saying thank you rather than an irrate beep :rofl: i wish the implemented a penalty system like the major racing title on the other platform. (unsure if promotion of oter games is allowed here)

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Correct.

Forza Horizon isn’t built to encourage “clean” driving; in fact it incentivises and rewards aggression.

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if you want aggressive racing play GTA

Ramming has no consequences in the game. In fact, players benefit from it by driving at full speed and crashing into others before taking corners.

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Tell Playground, not me :slightly_smiling_face:

I think there comes a point when even age isn’t an excuse though, I could drive properly in GT1 + was pushing myself through some of GT3’s endurance races before I was even in double figures.

Locking the Trial behind the HOF was a great idea in theory, but ruined by it’s execution of making it easy to get there without doing any racing.

I’d personally like something similar to GT’s licence tests that have to be completed before you can go in PVP modes, nothing too strenuous or difficult so that all skill levels could do them but enough that you would have to drive properly to complete them + wallriding/crashing would equal an instant fail.

At least then if you had an idiot in your Trial team you’d know for certain they’d either be doing it on purpose or are just being too lazy to try playing properly.

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In the game, ignoring clean driving, players who tail other players have a significant advantage while approaching corners. By ramming into the leading car, they can take the lead. Ideally, the tailing player should slow down and be ghosted, as it happens when colliding with other obstacles.

A big part of the problem is how the overall Horizon racing experience is designed. Your average race in this game is a quick 3-minute sprint or 3-lapper without any qualifying, so you’re always starting at the back of the grid if you’re on a higher difficulty level (which you will be unless you want every race to be a cakewalk). To get to the front in such a short amount of time, you almost have to drive like a maniac and dive-bomb the hell out of the AI drivers, and the game tacitly encourages this by not giving you any sort of penalty for doing so. So when your average player winds up in an online race, they’re going to continue driving like this, because that’s what they’re used to and what works for them. Hell, I’d like to think I at least try to be conscientious toward my fellow drivers, but there are times when I have to willfully snap myself out of that mentality, because again, the game has conditioned me to think that way. The only real solution would be to either have longer races with qualifying or a dedicated penalty system, but at that point you’re basically back to a FM/GT experience, which isn’t what Horizon was designed to be in the first place.

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Because the race structure implemented by T10 and PGG incentivises aggressive driving by making the races too short. When people have to win at all costs to progress things like racecraft don’t get learnt. Races really should be a minimum of 5 minutes, and race series should be at least 5 races so that you can have a bad race without needing to race NASCAR style.

There was one season where they changed things a bit but they quickly went back to 3 races, all less than 3 minutes with AI that will pull a 10 second gap in the first 30% (or 1 lap).

I mean I don’t even mind the short races all that much given how many we have to run just to complete each week’s playlist. Some weeks we can have three seasonal championships, plus the two expansion championships now, plus the Trial, and that’s not even counting the semi-regular Tour and Open tasks. I’d be fine with longer races/championships if the amount of playlist races was correspondingly decreased.

Why reduce options? As it is, we can do all the championships if we want or we can ignore some if we don’t want to do them. Personally, I’d much prefer there to be 10 championships per week and I’d do the ones where the car choices/tracks most interested me.

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There is zero rewards for driving clean in this game, and there is alot of factors playing in. 1, tracks are 2 short to wait for a good time to pass, 2 ai are even worse drivers as humans are so we learn to drive as the ai does. Most of the season events are so easy that its not about beating the other team bec red team are so slow, so it comes down to blue vs blue.
3, tracks are set up to use walls to slowdown in, it would be very easy to make the walls in corners not soild and that would force people to learn how to break in time.

But a very short answer is that the game rewards you for driving dirty from the very start so thats why people drive that way.

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I accept that there are people that aren’t as competent and make mistakes that lead to said problems. I can also deal with the usual rammer, wall-rider and what else you have that needs to resort to such behaviour because they don’t stand a chance if they’d race clean. My problem is scum like this here that makes my blood boil.

Sidenotes:

A) If you come across somebody like that I can just urge you to record a video and actually spend the time to report them with the support. The support maybe horrible but in such cases they actually take action. I know this for a fact!

B) I was actually told that the F40 was “just a powerbuild” by a well respected forum member. :rofl:

People like that really makes no sence to me, i only race online and there is alot of people who are really good at driving but yet they ram people and by doing so they go from a 90% chance of winning to maybe less than 50% so in the end they are the real losers.

I win alot of races bec i play clean and adapt to the people around me. If you race clean i wont ram you, but if you do try to ram me i will use that to make
You take your self out :blush: i give whats called instant karma :sweat_smile: