Here are two examples of how clean and respectful racing can look like and how to properly conduct in multiplayer races.
At first I know Jambo but haven’t talked to him via voicechat or the like. I just know his club leader and a couple of other members from racing with (!) and not against them.
What you’ll see:
At around 0:40 in Jambo rams me which leads to me hitting a wall. This can happen in such a situation because depending on the chosen perspective/view it can be difficult to make out the exact position of an other car. When he noticed what he did he immediately slowed down, said sorry and offered me to overtake.
At around 2:12 in I lifted (let of the gas) and tapped the brake because I anticipated what was going to happen next. This way I avoided a collision with him before the corner entry. When he noticed that he had chosen a bad line and touched me he immidiately slowed down, turned in as far as he could and let me pass instead of pushing me against the wall like so many other players would have done.
At this point of the tour Jambo and me had chatted with each other via the Xbox gamebar and knew that he was faster on the straights while I got better corner speed.
You’ll see that he and myself are leaving room for each other in the parts we knew the other was going to be faster. This is how it should be!
Racing like that and respecting each other that way makes the game so much more enjoyable. I can just encourage everybody that doesn’t does already to follow this example. Thanks!
Sidenote: I’ve talked to Jambo about me uploading these vids and he’s totally fine with it.
@T10ManteoMax This could be a pinned topic and/or attached to the updated CoC. 
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Although very rare, it’s great to get in a lobby with likeminded rational people. Ones who place more value on race craft and ethics than podium position at all cost. For me, it’s even a comfort doing the Trial and realizing your teammate keeping pace right beside you isn’t trying to ram you at every opportunity.
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Clean and respectful driving but nothing crazy, that’s how it should be!
Personally I do my best to drive in these conditions, and (fortunately) there are many great players on the game to have great runs with, especially when you have different settings and you consistently end up at the end of the straight/corner.
There are also (unfortunately) a lot of novice and lawless players, who are difficult to run cleanly with. Because to consider a clean and respectful driving implies that you waste time anticipating, braking harder or longer, taking optimal trajectory lines… while it’s so much easier to bump the one in front of you (brake+time saving), to use it as a trajectory adjustment once he’s tackled the barrier (ditto), all of which is greedily rewarded by the game
I don’t have a solution to bring the beautiful game, maybe the rank system wasn’t so bad, or a loyalty/fair play/clean driving rating at the end of a lobby to encourage good behaviour. (since we’re used to rating anything and everything /5 stars nowadays)
Good deeds will eventually pay off!
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I’m coming from the simracing direction and there stuff like you’ll way too often see in this game doesn’t flies. You learn very fast to behave as otherwise you’ll get kicked out.
I mainly drive Tours and these are teamevents were you race against the AI. It’s about enjoying the game and beating the AI as a group foremost. Still way too many players think they’ll have to place first in each and every race and will do basically everything to show off. It’s completely “gaga” what’s going on there and something like shown above is unfortunately rather rare.
By now I presumably have most of the good players in this mode on my friendslist. I’m always happy if I meat one or more in a race because this guarantees a good time.
Unfortunately this behaviour is the exception. Generally if the player has a club tag they drive relatively cleanly.
What I don’t understand is you never look behind you? Audio gives you some hints of other players but not everything.
Might change my forza link to Sorry as the current apology I have could be taken the wrong way!
I wouldn’t say that a club tag has anything to do with it. About half of the good players I know aren’t in a club.
Why should I have looked behind in the two races shown? The rest of the team and the AI was way slower so there was no reason. In general I always have an eye on the minimap but more importantly can hear where a car is if it’s behind me at a closer distance. It’s simply not necessary in my opinion and would just disturb the racing to look back.
I don’t have it set to sorry as you can see. One of the two spots you can configure is set to “well driven” and the other to “another one bites the dust” or what ever the English versions say. If I really mess up I’m trying to contact the concerned player via the Xbox app and excuse me there for the mistake.
Don’t know what Plage uses,but lookback doesn’t work on a wheel setup,or didn’t last time i tried to get it working.I can do it by using a controller at the same time,but its not worth the effort
I have it mapped to a button in the individual wheel settings (to L3) but it also works in the standard G29 preset for me (IIRC it’s R3).
@PlageBLN I think I will probably try to snipe you tonight/tomorrow. You will be online in 8-9hours?
Are you doing/avoiding any specific class/event? I’m more of A class or lower/any discipline player.
I probably will have some problem with unprepared cars for adventures.
EDIT: http://tiny.cc/HorizonTour - list of events in Tour
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I think we’re friends via the gamebar. You can hit me up if you see me online at that time. I’m normally only driving Tours on asphalt but take part in every class or “theme” basically.
Here is an example how it shouldn’t be but unfortunately looks more often than not.
Ah, the classic “lol what braking line?”
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Yeah, this isn’t even what I would expect from the best of scenarios in a game like this. Maybe motorsports, though its rare even there.
But having an understanding enough to know you took a bad racing line and put someone else out is astronomical in terms of the casual audience Horizon is catered to.
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Yes I do enjoy when people race clean it is rare to get those people. Today I was doing the seasonal race for 10 pts and on the 3rd race me and this dude was neck and neck he was better on corners and I have the best straight line speed and although he won we all win in the end because the trials are based on points not who gets podium in the group. It is nice to get first but it’s even better when you get first, you race clean and your team has more points
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This is awesome, we need more clean, good racing like this in FH5.
Unfortunately most people would rather just ram their way up to P1, which I don’t understand. I find it very satisfying to get a P4 or P5 finish by racing clean and having good battles with other players.
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To preface, I’m not excusing poor racing etiquette at all here. But to play devil’s advocate for a moment, I’m not really sure what sort of behavior people expect out of a game like this. FH5 isn’t a racing sim. Hell, it’s not even a “simcade” title like Motorsports and Gran Turismo arguably are. It’s an arcade racing game that happens to share the same physics engine as something that’s more toward the sim side of things. There’s no qualifying, no pit strategy, no vehicle damage of any sort…all of that together means that this is the sort of racing we’re going to get. I sympathize with those who are looking for a more serious racing experience in this game, but at the end of the day I don’t think Horizon was ever set up to deliver that.
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So, in short you say that intentional corner bombing, ramming, spearing and so on is ok and has to be expected because it’s not a sim or “simcade”? Like really? Have you actually read the CoC at all?
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I don’t think they’re saying it’s ok, just that’s it’s hardly surprising given everything. And it isn’t surprising at all.
IF convoy worked and IF we could find like minded players WHEN we’re playing we could have our skillful and fair teams. And ideally we’d be able to race against lobbies of like and ditch the AI entirely.
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Meaning you simply accept it and do nothing in the direction of trying to change that? Not by making an example of how proper driving looks, supporting things like this thread here or reporting at least the worst of the “foul” players to the support? And you wonder why this game is in this state? What about some community effort to support the developers on their mission to actually improve at least this part? Isn’t the new CoC and the emphasizing of it not a hint that they actually want to promote clean racing?
And don’t tell me it’s the fault of the AI that is more often than not showing aggressiveness towards the player that’s the problem here. It’s surely not an example of clean driving but this is faulty code and doesn’t means the players also have to act like that.
Oh and when it comes to convoys. Yes, there are problems but if they actually wouldn’t work for the most part Stevio2175 for example could not make the streams he does because they’re heavily building on exactly that feature. That is coming from somebody who actually quit the game for a month because I couldn’t get into one of his elimination events as the only person in a stream. Sure, something like that is frustrating but it isn’t the norm.
/edit: @ziperrPL Sorry, I’ve completely missed your post up there. You can always hit me up if you see me online. Would to do some Tours or what ever with you.
No, they’re not okay, but they’re completely expected in this type of game. Again, FH5 is not a sim. Your car never takes any damage, and there’s no penalty system or safety ratings, so there’s absolutely no incentive to not drive like a maniac. Hell, the way races are set up and the AI behavior actively encourage players to learn to drive that way, since it’s the best way to score wins in offline races. Is it any wonder that most drivers carry that over to races against human opponents? And no, I don’t think a code of conduct that the vast majority of players will never read and that we both know will be applied horribly (if it’s applied at all) will make a bit of difference.
Again, this game is never going to give you the experience that you seem to be looking for. You could always hope that the new Motorsport title has a robust penalty system, or try out GT 7, which does apply in-race penalties (though from what I’ve seen that system is a mess). Or you could go full hardcore, pay for an iRacing subscription, and take advantage of its robust safety rating system. Either that, or just accept the good of Horizon with the bad.
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