4K FWIW

[KKDURAZZ]

So there has been a lot of discussion about the upcoming 4K addition to Forza Motorsport. From people that really could care less about 4K and would rather have more content or better gameplay or better FFB, etc. To those that are super excited for all the extra pixels. I thought I would throw in a little bit of information related to 4K, as I’ve done some interesting testing between the different modes since Forza 6 Apex and Horizon 3 on PC both support it, and the X1S upscales to 4K output. I think that Forza 6 Apex is a good example of what we will likely get with Forza 7, though I expect it to be visually a tad better. Definitely with the lighting and the addition of HDR there will be a notable difference as well. But as far as this discussion and topic I just wanted to address 4K.

So I have both a standard X1 and X1S and a gaming PC with a 1080ti video card. I also happen to have two similar 60-inch Vizio TVs. One of which is a 4K HDR model and one of which is a standard 2K non-HDR model. When comparing all formats between all pieces of equipment, here is what I’ve noticed… (This means playing the games on both the X1 and X1S on both TVs and then playing both games on the PC on both TVs.

Not surprisingly, playing either game on the 4K set, regardless of rendered format (either 2K or 4K) or system (X1S or PC) - makes the biggest difference. In other words, I can play on the X1S on my 4K TV (with 4K upscale via TV or console) and the jump in visual quality from playing on the 2K TV is significantly more noticeable than playing the games on my PC with a true render of 4K (vs a 4K upscale). Getting to 4K (even via upscale) is the biggest jump - by a wide margin. The difference from upscaled 4K to true rendered 4K is only slightly noticeable. In fact, once I start racing, I don’t notice the difference between true 4K PC rendered output and either console or TV upscaled 4K output. I can see the difference from scaled 4K and true 4K when in the menus or Forza Vista mode and have the time to look and compare. However, immediately and at all times, I can notice the difference between a 4K display and 2K display, regardless of what is happening on screen. Note: my viewing distance is about 5-6 feet depending on if I’m in my racing chair or recliner. These facts hold true for all games (other than Forza as well) I have tested, but definitely you can really see it in the vehicle models - especially in Vista mode. I wonder how much lower quality the models are in game compared to Vista mode? Because they are not in the same league.

So… ‘go ahead and buy yourself a 4K TV’ I guess is what I’m saying, LOL. You will immediately notice a much sharper looking Forza game and in all other games as well. Whether you just stay with an X1 (TV provides upscale) or X1S (console provides upscale) you can expect a much better viewing enjoyment. If you have the choice (with an X1S) I recommend having the Xbox do the upscaling instead of your TV. Using the X1S to do the upscaling will introduce less graphical and audio latency and less sync issues. If you allow the TV to do the upscaling there will be some delay in those frames getting to the screen while the processor in your TV is working. All of that being said, the best visual output will be a true rendered 4K option - either the upcoming X1X, or even better, a very high-end gaming PC.

Stay tuned for a comparison of the X1X and the 1080ti on max settings. I will get that out a few days after the X1X gets here.

[Aumanil]

@KKDURAZZ

So there has been a lot of discussion about the upcoming 4K addition to Forza Motorsport. From people that really could care less about 4K and would rather have more content or better gameplay or better FFB, etc. To those that are super excited for all the extra pixels. I thought I would throw in a little bit of information related to 4K, as I’ve done some interesting testing between the different modes since Forza 6 Apex and Horizon 3 on PC both support it, and the X1S upscales to 4K output. I think that Forza 6 Apex is a good example of what we will likely get with Forza 7, though I expect it to be visually a tad better. Definitely with the lighting and the addition of HDR there will be a notable difference as well. But as far as this discussion and topic I just wanted to address 4K.

So I have both a standard X1 and X1S and a gaming PC with a 1080ti video card. I also happen to have two similar 60-inch Vizio TVs. One of which is a 4K HDR model and one of which is a standard 2K non-HDR model. When comparing all formats between all pieces of equipment, here is what I’ve noticed… (This means playing the games on both the X1 and X1S on both TVs and then playing both games on the PC on both TVs.

Not surprisingly, playing either game on the 4K set, regardless of rendered format (either 2K or 4K) or system (X1S or PC) - makes the biggest difference. In other words, I can play on the X1S on my 4K TV (with 4K upscale via TV or console) and the jump in visual quality from playing on the 2K TV is significantly more noticeable than playing the games on my PC with a true render of 4K (vs a 4K upscale). Getting to 4K (even via upscale) is the biggest jump - by a wide margin. The difference from upscaled 4K to true rendered 4K is only slightly noticeable. In fact, once I start racing, I don’t notice the difference between true 4K PC rendered output and either console or TV upscaled 4K output. I can see the difference from scaled 4K and true 4K when in the menus or Forza Vista mode and have the time to look and compare. However, immediately and at all times, I can notice the difference between a 4K display and 2K display, regardless of what is happening on screen. Note: my viewing distance is about 5-6 feet depending on if I’m in my racing chair or recliner. These facts hold true for all games (other than Forza as well) I have tested, but definitely you can really see it in the vehicle models - especially in Vista mode. I wonder how much lower quality the models are in game compared to Vista mode? Because they are not in the same league.

So… ‘go ahead and buy yourself a 4K TV’ I guess is what I’m saying, LOL. You will immediately notice a much sharper looking Forza game and in all other games as well. Whether you just stay with an X1 (TV provides upscale) or X1S (console provides upscale) you can expect a much better viewing enjoyment. If you have the choice (with an X1S) I recommend having the Xbox do the upscaling instead of your TV. Using the X1S to do the upscaling will introduce less graphical and audio latency and less sync issues. If you allow the TV to do the upscaling there will be some delay in those frames getting to the screen while the processor in your TV is working. All of that being said, the best visual output will be a true rendered 4K option - either the upcoming X1X, or even better, a very high-end gaming PC.

Stay tuned for a comparison of the X1X and the 1080ti on max settings. I will get that out a few days after the X1X gets here.

Actually 1080p on 1080p looks a lot sharper. Especially on PC monitors. The reason is LCD has only one resolution, so upscaled image is blured (and then sharpened via upscalling system that included input lag too) It’s the same as viewing the website with pictures on zoom.

[PTG_Wildcat]

@Aumanil

Actually 1080p on 1080p looks a lot sharper. Especially on PC monitors. The reason is LCD has only one resolution, so upscaled image is blured (and then sharpened via upscalling system that included input lag too) It’s the same as viewing the website with pictures on zoom.

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[KKDURAZZ]

@Aumanil

Actually 1080p on 1080p looks a lot sharper. Especially on PC monitors. The reason is LCD has only one resolution, so upscaled image is blured (and then sharpened via upscalling system that included input lag too) It’s the same as viewing the website with pictures on zoom.

Not sure what you’re trying to say here exactly. Please feel free to add some detail or be a bit more descriptive on your post. However I think I sort of have the gist of it.

The fact is: a 1080p signal ALWAYS looks better on a 4K TV than it does on a 1080p TV, whether you allow the source to upscale it, meaning in Xbox One S, or allow your TV to upscale it. And I did mention there would be some latency if you let he TV to do it. But the fact is it’s not even comparable how much better a 1080P, or what I call a 2K, signal looks like on a 4K TV.

[Speedster996]

@KKDURAZZ

No, thank you. Buying a 4K TV now is simply stupid. Wait for 8K to arrive (LG starts in 2018), wait until there is a HDR standard and not three competing solutions, wait until the TV supports VRR/FreeSync for variable frame rates. We will get devices that have all that starting in March/April 2018, January 3019 (shortly before the new sets come out) would be perfect for buying a 4K TV if you are on FullHD now. Otherwise you will miss out on the important features.

Tell me about it! I’m still on a 1080p LCD CCFL backlit screen from late 2008/early 2009 and it more than meets my movie and game requirements. Even a handful of games today are not native 1080p so how can we even expect majority of games to be native 4K? It has been discovered that many are using checker boarded 4K as opposed to true 4K.

To be honest, I think HDR is just a gimmick for smoothing out color and giving more tones to the blacks and whites through some advanced dynamic contrast technique. I switch on dynamic contrast on my TV and believe me, it doesn’t look all that different from HDR, kind of like my own cheap HDR workaround, haha! But seriously, these games that support HDR, are they even 10 or 12 bit per channel at their core? Most games, including PC games are 24-bit at their core, as in, 8-bit color per channel. If I upgrade to a TV that has a 10-bit panel and turn on the 10-bit setting from my console, do I even need HDR?

I’m not sold on HDR, especially since there are three different ‘formats’ available. Why can’t games just be native 10-bit or 12-bit? Why do you need an enhancement to “bring out” all the lost or extra layer of colors? After all, the setting is there in the Xone’s display setting for a reason, right? Bottom line is majority of games do not support 10-bit color natively, so where is this HDR thing coming form? What’s the angle IYO?

[KKDURAZZ]

@Speedster996

@KKDURAZZ

No, thank you. Buying a 4K TV now is simply stupid. Wait for 8K to arrive (LG starts in 2018), wait until there is a HDR standard and not three competing solutions, wait until the TV supports VRR/FreeSync for variable frame rates. We will get devices that have all that starting in March/April 2018, January 3019 (shortly before the new sets come out) would be perfect for buying a 4K TV if you are on FullHD now. Otherwise you will miss out on the important features.

Tell me about it! I’m still on a 1080p LCD CCFL backlit screen from late 2008/early 2009 and it more than meets my movie and game requirements. Even a handful of games today are not native 1080p so how can we even expect majority of games to be native 4K? It has been discovered that many are using checker boarded 4K as opposed to true 4K.

To be honest, I think HDR is just a gimmick for smoothing out color and giving more tones to the blacks and whites through some advanced dynamic contrast technique. I switch on dynamic contrast on my TV and believe me, it doesn’t look all that different from HDR, kind of like my own cheap HDR workaround, haha! But seriously, these games that support HDR, are they even 10 or 12 bit per channel at their core? Most games, including PC games are 24-bit at their core, as in, 8-bit color per channel. If I upgrade to a TV that has a 10-bit panel and turn on the 10-bit setting from my console, do I even need HDR?

I’m not sold on HDR, especially since there are three different ‘formats’ available. Why can’t games just be native 10-bit or 12-bit? Why do you need an enhancement to “bring out” all the lost or extra layer of colors? After all, the setting is there in the Xone’s display setting for a reason, right? Bottom line is majority of games do not support 10-bit color natively, so where is this HDR thing coming form? What’s the angle IYO?

All your points are valid to you. You have to realize you’re also making these points coming from not having 4K and not having HDR. Once you have a nice 4K HDR set you will significantly notice the differences on every single game you play. And you will never go back, not ever.

Your post kind of reminds me of when I thought I didn’t need a center channel speaker and I could just use the built-in speakers on the TV as my pseudo Center Channel. Yeah that works. But once you have real separated Center Channel you realize wow there is a difference as technology moves forward.

[Speedster996]

@KKDURAZZ

@Speedster996

@KKDURAZZ

No, thank you. Buying a 4K TV now is simply stupid. Wait for 8K to arrive (LG starts in 2018), wait until there is a HDR standard and not three competing solutions, wait until the TV supports VRR/FreeSync for variable frame rates. We will get devices that have all that starting in March/April 2018, January 3019 (shortly before the new sets come out) would be perfect for buying a 4K TV if you are on FullHD now. Otherwise you will miss out on the important features.

Tell me about it! I’m still on a 1080p LCD CCFL backlit screen from late 2008/early 2009 and it more than meets my movie and game requirements. Even a handful of games today are not native 1080p so how can we even expect majority of games to be native 4K? It has been discovered that many are using checker boarded 4K as opposed to true 4K.

To be honest, I think HDR is just a gimmick for smoothing out color and giving more tones to the blacks and whites through some advanced dynamic contrast technique. I switch on dynamic contrast on my TV and believe me, it doesn’t look all that different from HDR, kind of like my own cheap HDR workaround, haha! But seriously, these games that support HDR, are they even 10 or 12 bit per channel at their core? Most games, including PC games are 24-bit at their core, as in, 8-bit color per channel. If I upgrade to a TV that has a 10-bit panel and turn on the 10-bit setting from my console, do I even need HDR?

I’m not sold on HDR, especially since there are three different ‘formats’ available. Why can’t games just be native 10-bit or 12-bit? Why do you need an enhancement to “bring out” all the lost or extra layer of colors? After all, the setting is there in the Xone’s display setting for a reason, right? Bottom line is majority of games do not support 10-bit color natively, so where is this HDR thing coming form? What’s the angle IYO?

All your points are valid to you. You have to realize you’re also making these points coming from not having 4K and not having HDR. Once you have a nice 4K HDR set you will significantly notice the differences on every single game you play. And you will never go back, not ever.

Your post kind of reminds me of when I thought I didn’t need a center channel speaker and I could just use the built-in speakers on the TV as my pseudo Center Channel. Yeah that works. But once you have real separated Center Channel you realize wow there is a difference as technology moves forward.

I get the whole “once you upgrade, you never go back” gist, but I’m the kind who’s really happy with less. I’m sure 4K/HDR is ‘da bomb’ but then again, games already look so good on my current setup… I think you see where this is going.

I’ve heard sound with and without the center channel in games/movies… again, not a major hit in my viewing and gaming pleasure. That’s just how I see it. Forza 7 sound is impossibly sexy by the way!

[CW40]

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Actually 1080p on 1080p looks a lot sharper. Especially on PC monitors. The reason is LCD has only one resolution, so upscaled image is blured (and then sharpened via upscalling system that included input lag too) It’s the same as viewing the website with pictures on zoom.

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I have to disagree with this. Dynamic scaling using my Nvidia settings makes textures look way better. I use it whenever I can (especially when there are hi res textures available). Maybe your monitor or TV is the culprit.

[DUST2DEATH]

I think he/she is trying to say Native will always look better than upscaled due to PPI.

Just like downscaled can look iffy when its not a full multi (any of the mid steps)

[DUST2DEATH]

Thats not right.

You are mistaking clarity for PPI.

Display size: 52.29" × 29.42" = 1538.28in² (132.83cm × 74.72cm = 9924.36cm²) at 73.43 PPI, 0.3459mm dot pitch, 5392 PPI²
Display size: 52.29" × 29.42" = 1538.28in² (132.83cm × 74.72cm = 9924.36cm²) at 36.72 PPI, 0.6918mm dot pitch, 1348 PPI²

The 4K has double the PPI, anything you output to this, upscaled or not, will look better than the 1080p unit.

If I downscale from 5K on my monitor which is 2560x1080p (21:9), it murders your 4K panel

Display size: 24.88" × 10.49" = 261.08in² (63.19cm × 26.66cm = 1684.39cm²) at 205.81 PPI, 0.1234mm dot pitch, 42359 PPI²

[KKDURAZZ]

@DUST2DEATH

Thats not right.

You are mistaking clarity for PPI.

Display size: 52.29" × 29.42" = 1538.28in² (132.83cm × 74.72cm = 9924.36cm²) at 73.43 PPI, 0.3459mm dot pitch, 5392 PPI²
Display size: 52.29" × 29.42" = 1538.28in² (132.83cm × 74.72cm = 9924.36cm²) at 36.72 PPI, 0.6918mm dot pitch, 1348 PPI²

The 4K has double the PPI, anything you output to this, upscaled or not, will look better than the 1080p unit.

If I downscale from 5K on my monitor which is 2560x1080p (21:9), it murders your 4K panel

Display size: 24.88" × 10.49" = 261.08in² (63.19cm × 26.66cm = 1684.39cm²) at 205.81 PPI, 0.1234mm dot pitch, 42359 PPI²

Hey Dust, who are you saying is not right? You didn’t quote any of the previous posts.

Also could you clarify what you mean by downscale from 5K to your monitor. And what do you mean by murdering your 4K panel?

Thanks!

[DUST2DEATH]

Im saying your conclusions are based on a wrong perspective.

Display clarity of any panel, is based on PPI (pixels per inch).

The bigger you go in size, the bigger your pixels are.

You have 2 60 inch panels, 1 is 4K (4x the res) of your 1080p panel.
So 2 things here, 1, you have double the pixels per inch on the 4K panel, therefore smaller. 1080p pixels larger. Just comparing the output from any signal between the 2, even with upscaling, the 4K panel will always look better has it has double the pixels per inch of display.

[KKDURAZZ]

@DUST2DEATH

Im saying your conclusions are based on a wrong perspective.

Display clarity of any panel, is based on PPI (pixels per inch).

The bigger you go in size, the bigger your pixels are.

You have 2 60 inch panels, 1 is 4K (4x the res) of your 1080p panel.
So 2 things here, 1, you have double the pixels per inch on the 4K panel, therefore smaller. 1080p pixels larger. Just comparing the output from any signal between the 2, even with upscaling, the 4K panel will always look better has it has double the pixels per inch of display.

Got it. Yeah I understand that completely. I’m not looking at numbers. I’m just stating what I visually see in my eyes. Because that’s what actually matters. I guess the TL;DR version of mine would be a 4K panel looks better than a 2K (at the same size and viewing distance) regardless of source material.

[markvii1]

I’m more interested in PIP than PPI.

[a13on]

@KKDURAZZ

So there has been a lot of discussion about the upcoming 4K addition to Forza Motorsport. From people that really could care less about 4K and would rather have more content or better gameplay or better FFB, etc. To those that are super excited for all the extra pixels. I thought I would throw in a little bit of information related to 4K, as I’ve done some interesting testing between the different modes since Forza 6 Apex and Horizon 3 on PC both support it, and the X1S upscales to 4K output. I think that Forza 6 Apex is a good example of what we will likely get with Forza 7, though I expect it to be visually a tad better. Definitely with the lighting and the addition of HDR there will be a notable difference as well. But as far as this discussion and topic I just wanted to address 4K.

So I have both a standard X1 and X1S and a gaming PC with a 1080ti video card. I also happen to have two similar 60-inch Vizio TVs. One of which is a 4K HDR model and one of which is a standard 2K non-HDR model. When comparing all formats between all pieces of equipment, here is what I’ve noticed… (This means playing the games on both the X1 and X1S on both TVs and then playing both games on the PC on both TVs.

Not surprisingly, playing either game on the 4K set, regardless of rendered format (either 2K or 4K) or system (X1S or PC) - makes the biggest difference. In other words, I can play on the X1S on my 4K TV (with 4K upscale via TV or console) and the jump in visual quality from playing on the 2K TV is significantly more noticeable than playing the games on my PC with a true render of 4K (vs a 4K upscale). Getting to 4K (even via upscale) is the biggest jump - by a wide margin. The difference from upscaled 4K to true rendered 4K is only slightly noticeable. In fact, once I start racing, I don’t notice the difference between true 4K PC rendered output and either console or TV upscaled 4K output. I can see the difference from scaled 4K and true 4K when in the menus or Forza Vista mode and have the time to look and compare. However, immediately and at all times, I can notice the difference between a 4K display and 2K display, regardless of what is happening on screen. Note: my viewing distance is about 5-6 feet depending on if I’m in my racing chair or recliner. These facts hold true for all games (other than Forza as well) I have tested, but definitely you can really see it in the vehicle models - especially in Vista mode. I wonder how much lower quality the models are in game compared to Vista mode? Because they are not in the same league.

So… ‘go ahead and buy yourself a 4K TV’ I guess is what I’m saying, LOL. You will immediately notice a much sharper looking Forza game and in all other games as well. Whether you just stay with an X1 (TV provides upscale) or X1S (console provides upscale) you can expect a much better viewing enjoyment. If you have the choice (with an X1S) I recommend having the Xbox do the upscaling instead of your TV. Using the X1S to do the upscaling will introduce less graphical and audio latency and less sync issues. If you allow the TV to do the upscaling there will be some delay in those frames getting to the screen while the processor in your TV is working. All of that being said, the best visual output will be a true rendered 4K option - either the upcoming X1X, or even better, a very high-end gaming PC.

Stay tuned for a comparison of the X1X and the 1080ti on max settings. I will get that out a few days after the X1X gets here.

No, thank you. Buying a 4K TV now is simply stupid. Wait for 8K to arrive (LG starts in 2018), wait until there is a HDR standard and not three competing solutions, wait until the TV supports VRR/FreeSync for variable frame rates. We will get devices that have all that starting in March/April 2018, January 3019 (shortly before the new sets come out) would be perfect for buying a 4K TV if you are on FullHD now. Otherwise you will miss out on the important features.

[PTG_Baby_Cow]

its too bad that the pretty colors and additional pixels come at the cost of display lag. I wont bother with any of these slow tvs. and the 12+ms times.

[Novux_Gibbon]

Here is the Bottom Line.

Even the CHEAPEST 4K TV looks better in 4K than the BEST 1080p putting out 1080p.

Nothing you can say can change that fact.

Now mind you that there are Different types of panels, and different latency pixels, so yes 1080p panels can outperform the 4K ones without any issue, but the fact is, once you see the improvement in picture quality that 4K provides, it is hard to ignore.

I personally opted for a HIGHER end 4K from Samsung, and it does a solid job of handling 1080p signals. In fact I thin it makes them look slightly better than what my 1080p TV does… in a different room.

What I don’t typically get to enjoy, is any 4K stuff. I have a PC that I output 4K for gaming, but typically the games don’t have 4K level textures, so it is moot.

4K videos DO NOT EXIST… Sure you can “stream” 4K image sized videos, but typically they are just upscaled versions of a film, and not recorded in 4K, just stretched to 4K. Its a major scam.

The ONLY 4K content I have managed to enjoy are a few Newer games like Fallout 4, that have HIGH RESOLUTION TEXTURE packs that are larger than the actual game. I can tell you for sure, Fallout 4 doesn’t even look that much better… even with the investment.

If it were not for the fact that I use This TV for Photo editing (previewing final image as a secondary screen) I probably would not have gone 4K yet.

As For how Turn 10 is going to handle the 4K thing, I am not sure, but I can tell you that with 700+ cars, any 4K textures are going to have to either be NORMAL MAPPED, or require a HUGE 50gb+ download, just for car textures, mainly the interior stuff and the scaling paint textures.

IF the tracks and rubble are getting the 4K treatment, I would expect the buildings and pylons etc. to look amazing…

[Lawyer4Ever]

I personally have toggled back and forth between 1080p, 1440p and 4k monitors, as well as 1080p and 4k HDTVs.

For my consoles, there is no question that the best option is the 4k TV. My Xbox One S, Playstation 4 Pro and Nintendo Switch all shine on the 4K TV. Part of that is because it is a 4K TV and has 4 times as many pixels as the 1080p TV I previously used, part of it is that it is newer and so it has better technology. I have a 40 inch Samsung 4K TV, model number KU-6290.

As for PC Gaming, I have settled on using triple 1440p monitors, along with an Oculus Rift. I have tried mutiple 4K monitors and the graphics quality difference, including in Forza Motorsport 6 Apex and Forza Horizon 3, was not great enough to justify downgrading to a single screen and living without Gsync, 144 hz and 1 ms refresh rate. IMO, the sweet spot for PC Gaming is 1440p with Gsync/Freesync and 144 hz.

Also, I have tried using several different 4K HDTVs as a monitor. No matter what I tried, I could not get any of those TVs to look as sharp as either my 1080p or 1440p monitors.

[XPR_Dartman_Dan]

Wonderpill,
Can you post how much better Forza 7 looks after the update to 4K versus launch view…Thanks.

I am planning on making the jump to a high end Samsung ( Q9F ) before Christmas to play my Xbox One X 4K games on. I believe this TV has or will get the variable frame rate so even if the frame dips below 60FPS the TV will adjust its frame rate to match eliminating any screen tearing. Also I believe it is HDMI 2.2 compatible. I have done a lot of research with this TV and as of right now I am willing to pay the big money for this TV.

8K may come in a year or 2 but there still is not all that muck material 4K yet so how long will obey be watching 4K images on an 8K TV due to no 8K material? Why pay huge money for bleeding edge technology to have nothing to watch but today’s 4K. I think very few TV shows, if any, are in actual 1080P… I think most are 720 upscaled. The Networks just upgraded all thier cameras to 720 not that many years ago and don’t see them upgrading in the short future. Plus how much will my eyes actually see improved 8K over 4K. There comes a point of no or little return on your investment…if someone developed a new sound range that doubled the range they can produce but most of that new sound is above what my ears can pick up is it really a high dollar item???

By going to 4K we are able to sit much closer to our 65 inch TV in our living room making even smaller rooms now accessible for a big TV. With 8K the size of the TV increase is not that feasible as who has room for a 100 inch TV without a dedicated theater room.
I think I will see 8K someday but not till I see my 4K through first.

[a13on]

@Dan the Dartman

Wonderpill,
Can you post how much better Forza 7 looks after the update to 4K versus launch view…Thanks.

I am planning on making the jump to a high end Samsung ( Q9F ) before Christmas to play my Xbox One X 4K games on. I believe this TV has or will get the variable frame rate so even if the frame dips below 60FPS the TV will adjust its frame rate to match eliminating any screen tearing. Also I believe it is HDMI 2.2 compatible. I have done a lot of research with this TV and as of right now I am willing to pay the big money for this TV.

Don’t fall the biggest marketing scam right now, Samsung’s QLED. They are just rebranded LED panels so they look like OLED or something of similar quality. They are not. Get a TV with an LG OLED panel or don’t get one at all, the difference in quality and contrast is staggering.