Before watching the video below let me say a few things.
First, I am fully aware that I am at best an average driver prone to mistakes, poor braking and worse turns. So let’s skip that part of the discussion. Second, please do not assume any nefarious intent on my part. While I cannot do much about the mistakes I make, other than strive to continuously improve, I do not ever drive with the intent of crashing people, ejecting them out of turns or squeezing them into a wall. I consider good sportsmanship to be very important. I try to take responsibility for my mistakes and apologize for them either verbally or via a written message, and by waiting for people to get back on the track if the reason they’re off it is my fault.
As for this specific race and incident, to my knowledge the racer and I had had no previous contact in other races. Quite frankly, he was much faster than me and I don’t think we were even close to each other before. But as my video shows, I could be wrong. Even if you feel I did not give enough room to the spyder in the first incident, at most it was accidental contact on my part. But I maintain the first accident was his fault. I was going straight with no steering input on my part and his front end hit my rear tire while he was moving to his right. Unfortunately for him due to his bump with the Camaro I was in a blind spot where even side view didn’t show me. I’m sure he heard me, but I’ve no doubt he was unaware of how close I was and that he was trying to force himself into a line that was already occupied. Thus I can see how in his mind I hit him. But as the video shows, this is simply not true, which is the broader point.
As a result of his actions at least one other player got collected in the accident and lost at least 3 or 4 positions though being wholly innocent. The guy who hit me has a race team tag in his GT. He was pretty fast. He was still wrong. After reviewing dozens of my own videos and trying to see it from the other guy’s perspective I can tell you more often than not contact in races is unintentional despite how firmly you feel it was intentional during the race. It’s frustrating but learn to deal with it the right way.
Don’t retaliate. You’re probably wrong about intent anyway. Even if you’re not wrong other people are going are most likely going to be affected and they’re going to be mad at you. And if you are wrong and retaliate then you will most likely start a crash war that will ruin a lot of other people’s races because you felt the need to employ frontier justice.
Save the replay. Report. Block. Done.
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Too true! Saw the exact same thing last night. Race at Bathurst and first corner got messy (not unusual). I got through clean but TAPPED a guys back end and backed off a little. I then gathered speed and proceeded to drive past the guy for him to broadside me off the track. I returned back onto the track safely and caught him up on the next corner. I took the outside line and he turned into me. I backed off. Next corner and a lot more speed I took the inside line and an easy pass…what does he do?? Yup…drives straight into me. In the end I took him on the inside cleanly and he tried to take me out but took himself off in the process. All of this because I got out the first corner cleanly and faster with a slight tap to his rear.
Had same problem the other day. Got dived bombed by a little crx and of course his exit was terrible as result. I accounted for this and was setting to pass him on the inside. Next thing I know my car slams into the right side wall and his the left. The culprit was him lagging. Then he kept on wrecking me and once I got out of party to explain that he was lagging on at least 3 people’s screens and how the wreck was not my fault he kept on yelling and carrying on. I swear some people are idiots when it comes to lag in this game. It’s not like a FPS where you can lag and still do great.
I think you didnt take into account that he was there when you passed him. So yeah I think its kinda your fault.
On the other hand, I agree its not ok to retaliate.
Mistake happen.
I did take into account that he was there. That is why I held my line. But I was in front. Racing etiquette dictates that I must leave him 3/4 of a car width to make a turn. I did that. That sidewalk was plenty of room for him to continue though it had a slight bump to it. He was changing lanes and was behind. The onus was on him to avoid contact and to be aware of who and what is around him.
At most this was a simple no-fault accident. But that is my point. From his point of view I destroyed him on purpose and thus he retaliated. Even if you want to lay 50% of the blame at my feet I will concede that. Which makes the accident both of our fault and not intentional. Thus his retaliation was like punching someone in the face for accidently bumping him on the sidewalk. He was wrong to retaliate he became the dirty driver. Had the Kia driver not been me, I’d be willing to bet the next race would have been all out war with everyone losing as a result.
If he thought I plowed him, he should block and report me. Not run me into a wall. It didn’t teach me any lesson except that that guy is an arrogant jerk. Had he done it to someone else I’d bet he’d spend the rest of his time in that lobby off the track.
Sorry man. The first accident was all your fault. You didn’t leave enough room on the left. You didn’t fully clear him before moving to the left and taking his line.
Where was he supposed to go? In the grass? You even drove off the track on the left. Whatever though, it happens, just apologize and move on.
I did not turn into him. I cannot hit someone with the back of my car while going 100% straight. No one can. At most, the first hit was 50% my fault. We both should have been more aware. While I cannot force him off the track he also cannot just drive into me. We’re both at fault. But that is my point. He assumed wrongly that what I did was intentional and deserved payback. And from the his view I can see why he would think that. But that is the point. You cannot tell during the race, in the heat of moment if a hit was intentional. So do everyone a favor and don’t administer frontier justice. If you think I done wrong, report and block me. I can accept that.
If you look at 1:14, he wouldnt have place to pass there. While his responsibility is to be aware, so is your. You knew he was going to be there. You could have take a little to the right and you would have been as fast and give him place.
I think it was an honnest mistake from your part. And he would’ve probably hit you anyway.
I actually didn’t know he was going to be here. At 1:12 he leaves my view and I was going significantly faster than him. I honestly didn’t think it was going to be an issue. Because of my mistake about the make up of the track I did not move more to my right though after reviewing the tape I can certainly agree that I should have both known about the grass and moved over. Point conceded.
But that just makes the retaliation worse. You can tell there was no intent on my part or his in the first collision from a review. But there live, I can totally see how and why he felt I turned into him. As you can all now see, I didn’t turn at all. I cannot actually steer into someone with the back of my car if I’m not actually giving any steering input and I chose my line at the beginning of that straight, not halfway through it. I was actually as far to the right as I could get at that time. The only person actually changing course was the spyder. Thus the retaliation at the end was wholly unjustified. And from what I’ve seen in lobbies would have resulted in further retaliations if he’d done it to someone other than me. This is why I made the video. Regardless of how it seemed there and then, don’t retaliate. Review the replay and take the appropriate action afterwards lest you get yourself reported and possibly banned.
A screen cap from 1:12. He’s gone. I passed him extremely quickly and I thought we was actually going to be well behind me. It doesn’t matter though. Intent was absent. Retaliation was undeserved and actually cost someone else there place in the race who was wholly innocent. No good comes from it. So let’s all stop it.
you have the right voice to make those advertisements where they tell you not to smoke or drink and drive. lol
however you are right, if someones bumbs into you the right answer is always keep on driving like nothing happened
This is why I pretty much only race with people from my friends list. I am not very good to begin with and I get nervous around other racers from my fear of bumping them. Too many people online feel they are Sebastian Vettel.
the car coming back across the track from the left has choice but to do so as there is a grass verge infront of him the car passing to the right can see him coming across but does not move yet expects the other car to be looking in his mirrors and allow him to pass before pulling out.
both cars are at fault, the car on the left should know driving onto the racing line means he needs to make sure no one is there but the car on the right also must be able to see him coming yet did not move an inch.
had the right sided car moved a little to the right the car on left could have carried on fine,
bot hat fault but a racing incident due to no single individual blame
I can totally see this point of view. It only serves to underscore my point. No intent was there on the first incident on the part of either driver. Thus regardless of how it felt in the race to the guy driving the spyder his retaliation was 100% wrong, dirty, and undeserved.
But as I said in the video, I didn’t realize that small patch of grass was there and thus I thought my current line gave him enough room. And also having been passed and entering a bottle neck he must relinquish the spot. I will concede to either point of view.
But the problem is to him it look like I smashed him on purpose. And that is the root problem with retaliation. Because of your limited perspective you don’t really know what happened until you see the tape and more often than not the tape will show you that probably both of you were at fault and intent was wholly absent.
I’m being honest when I tell you I had no idea we’d even hit each other in the first lap. I was in party chat with someone so I never heard him if he yelled at me, and as you can tell from the video in bumper the sound of collision like that is so minor it sounds like nothing. So from my perspective in the last lap he hit me for absolutely no reason and was wholly unexpected. Not even winning because he’d already beat me in the straight. The race was his. It wasn’t until I reviewed the tape that I realized his motivation for his driving me into a wall.
