What stops you from making your own tunes/liveries?

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Wait, What?? So, you would be using someone elses tune to improve your own?

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…yes?

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Bro, this is more coat tail riding than just using someone else’s tune. Its why the tunes were locked in the first place.

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I don’t understand??? You made a post as to why you wouldn’t make your own tune. And then your going to use someone else’s to go off of. Wouldn’t that actually be cheating, because they did get the base of the tune.

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Ummm, no, I made a post about why I wouldn’t use someone else’s tune on my own car. But if we could inspect another peoples’ tunes to help us learn how to improve our own tunes, then that would be awesome. I’m not saying you would copy that person’s tune exactly, because what would be the point, you would just see how he adjusted things which would help you better understand how each aspect of the tune changes the behavior of the car.

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I don’t run others full liveries except for one that was done specifically for me by a team mate. I do grab bits and pieces of art that others were kind enough to upload. No sense trying to reinvent the wheel when you have perfectly usable wheels available.

I am just not good at tuning so I almost always run others except for a small few.

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So, in other words the game is more fun for you if you can use others tunes.

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Exactly. And one of my favorite tuners wants me and anyone else that wants to use his tunes and be competitive because it makes the game more enjoyable for him.

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Convenience, the same reason you play a game you didnt program.

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Idk how you could think that tuning is as difficult as software coding, but ok.

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This may surprise you, but there are people who cannot tune. Or at least make a tune comparable to one they can just download. You may think it’s easy (I know you said it wasn’t at first) or that anyone can do it, but that’s not that simple. For example, there are people who find algebraic mathematics easy. It’s just something they’re naturally drawn to and can easily understand it. But for others, no matter how hard they try or how much time they spend trying to learn it, they simply cannot do it. You may think that tuning is much easier than mathematics, but there are people who have the reverse where mathematics is much easier than tuning (like myself, actually).

Personally, I don’t have a ton of free time and due to that, I’m limited in the amount of time I can spend playing video games. In addition, I don’t spend all of my video game time playing Forza. With that in mind, I’m also in a GT league where I’m the primary painter. Most of my time on Forza is spent either practicing for the next race or painting liveries. I do not have the time to learn how to tune nor the real need for it.

I do share your sentiments on painting your own cars. As soon as I figured out how to combine different shapes into logos, I started painting all of my own cars. I just liked trying to make realistic GT paint schemes for myself, with my number, country flag and name on it. It’s something I enjoy doing, but I can understand that other people do not share that same enthusiasm.

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So I guess Lewis Hamilton or Jeff Gordon (or whoever) all tune their own cars as well, not just concentrate on driving and giving their mechanics information on how it’s driving.

I mean I guess if tuning was my thing I’d see why it’d be annoying, but come on, tons of real drivers couldn’t tell you how to even change a tire. So yeah, I don’t care if it hurts anyone’s feelings if I’m using a downloaded tune.

You don’t think that race teams share information with each other? It happens all the time. I personally like driving the cars, and could care less about learning what spring or camber angle I need to shave off a tenth. I’ve tried to figure all that out many times in the past, and my eyes just glaze over reading that stuff. I’m also bad at math, but that is beside the point. That’s what the mechanics and crew chiefs are for! :wink:

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Maybe its just me but this thread just seems a bit trollish, you say “you would just see how he adjusted things which would help you better understand how each aspect of the tune changes the behavior of the car.” yet you also post “the knowledge required to tune/paint is almost nonexistent. As I said earlier, the game tells us what every aspect of tuning does to the car”

Referring to people as cheaters or immoral because they choose to play the game within the rules and make use of the in game resources isnt great either. Sure, if you want to understand why some people dont tune or paint then ask but dont insult them because they dont choose to play the game the same way as you.

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  1. “The knowledge required to tune/paint is almost nonexistent.” I said this because I went into tuning barely knowing anything, and I used the info Forza gave me to figure it out and improve. It’s the same thing as saying “the knowledge required to get an A on my basic calculus class in almost nonexistent, since the teacher gives us all the info we need.”

  2. “If we could inspect other people’s tunes, it would help us improve our own.” I said this because even though it doesn’t take much to get into tuning, being able to work with others always helps and you end up improving at a faster rate. Again, this would be the same as saying, “if I could have others go over calculus practice problems with me, I could see how they did it and that would help me improve doing my own problems.”

  3. I never insulted anyone. I’ve already said multiple times that doing something immoral on a silly video game is nothing worth having a discussion over. I threw it in at the beginning just to get across my full opinion, but it wasn’t the main idea of my argument. If you use other peoples’ tunes, then fine, I don’t really care. All I was saying was that I don’t like how this game has turned from a community where everyone wanted to improve, to a community where everyone is content with sitting back and downloading tunes from a handful of people who get very little compensation for what they have provided (3,500 credits per download is pretty much nothing).

So many of you are flat out rejecting using rational arguments because a tiny thing I said has gotten you way too angry. Most of you aren’t even reading my entire posts and are just picking out single lines that seem to go with your argument and completely ignore the context. Please stop using this second-rate-journalism way of debating.

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Interesting… I have no problem tuning or painting for the most part but here’s my list:

  1. Don’t have the time
  2. Support other players
  3. Its fun to try out other tunes to compare to my own.
  4. No point in spending days to paint something if its already been done and up to my standards.
  5. Support of other players
  6. I’m lazy and sometimes I just want to be able to jump in and play.
  7. Support of other players.
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I think some people are more talented than others at certain aspects of the game. Some can tune but can’t drive, some can drive but haven’t a clue about tuning. A large majority of people don’t know how to make a grand design just using squares, circles and triangles, and some just aren’t very creative.

The great thing about the forza community is just that: the community. It’s one of the only games out there where every player can contribute to the huge market of files - both graphically and setup wise - and use others works as well.

Tuning is a tricky skill that I know friends who have little real world racing experience like myself struggle with. It’s just something that people get and others don’t. There’s nothing wrong with that though, and that’s why we have the ability to share what we create in the first place.

With that being said, the grids do look boring when the cars are all the same. Unfortunately, painters (including myself) have lost the desire to create works of art for the community due to the lack of reward/feedback/response. Thankfully in future games we will see the return of the auction house which should exponentially increase the amount of designs being released in-game

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NOT using others tunes or paints would kill the ambitions of thousands of painters/tuners to create them. Its the biggest difference to other racing games to be able to share them and without this option Forza wouldnt be Forza.

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Not anymore. In Forza 3/4 there was a real incentive for creators to share their stuff because they were able to choose the price of their tunes or designs. This meant that the storefront worked very much like a free market, where higher quality products were sold at a higher price, so you could either sacrifice a lot of credits and get a great design/tune, or spend less and get a decent one. With this system, creators could actually be compensated fairly for their work, and the consumer had to actually think before making a choice.

Now, tunes and designs are sold at a flat price, tunes for 3,500 credits, and designs for nothing, and the only real way a creator can make money off their work is if it’s used a lot, which sounds reasonable but is pretty unreliable, and it does not reflect market behavior at all.

Basically, the only reasons why people create stuff anymore is to A. show it off online, B. unlock achievements and player icons, and sometimes C. because they just enjoy making stuff (like I do).

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I came into Forza around the end of F3 and got my main experiences of the franchise in F4 which after a few weeks I was ready to jack it all in until some of the people I raced against donated me some tunes to help make me more competitive. Hey presto it worked and even better I was able to dissect the tunes (something you can’t do now) and in some cases even improved upon them and it was this that led to me being a more avid tuner but still a long way from being anyway as good as the top guys. I still love to tune but the intricacies of the top tunes still escapes me and probably always will so is it really that wrong that I avail myself of far better tunes than I will ever produce that ultimately match my driving skills much more closely so improving my racing and isn’t that what the game is truly all about.
We are a community and communities share, use and improve upon that is the definition of a community so whether you look upon us as cheats or immoral I don’t really care instead I pity you for not embracing what the Forza community is ultimately all about because you are missing out on much of what we all strive to achieve and that is to be the best we can be whether it be driver, painter or tuner.

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At the end of the day this is a video game. The majority of players that use FM6 do just that, they play. Video games are designed to be toys and to be a fun diversion. So forget about skill or learning some people just don’t ENJOY tuning or painting. And you know what? That’s totally fine.

Also, someone felt that their tune was good enough to share. If they shared the tune that means they want other players to use it. It’s not like Forza automatically uploads anything you do without your consent. If you feel that it’s not worth it or you don’t want to share it then don’t.