I’ve just switched over to sim after the likes of Super GT recommending it. I wasn’t particularly awful on normal, but now I’m an absolute menace.
Can anyone give me any tips on how to recover and prevent fish tailing? Also, when I lose traction at speed I struggle to fully settle the car without a much longer period off the accelerator that I would’ve done with normal settings.
Any tips are appreciated. Especially if you’ve gone from normal to sim and had to figure it out as well.
absolute disagree, always run sim ssteering since. the. 1 forza on the controller…also. plays. project car and asseto corsa. this way. just need. practice, steady and healty hands. well…sure 12 years of doin it help. also. ALL your tunes must be done by yourself to ensure the driveability. of. the cars…mean. no leaderboard. things for real hardcore. player like me.(no tcs, no stm, sim steering, manual with clutch) alll on the pad
imo use whatever you’re faster with. i can’t imagine you’ll be significantly faster using sim instead of normal, the way you would if you were learning to drive without abs or tcs or something like that. i personally use sim on a controller because that’s the way I played fm2-4 and it just feels right to me.
Zero out the toe, +/- any amount makes cars twitchy on sim steering. Also reduce the accel differential setting to smooth out corner exits. What you want to focus on is smoothing out your inputs and avoid using the steering for mid corner course corrections, so you need to learn how to be really precise with the throttle control. If you find that you have to go to opposite lock to control a slide there’s a good chance that you’ll enter a tank-slapper and lose it, but with enough practice you’ll get to where you can catch it with less steering correction and more throttle correction to adjust corner loads.
I’ve played with this off and on for a while and the cars that benefit most from the sharper steering response are FWD and AWD cars. The easiest cars to handle after that are front engine, rear drive cars with close to a 50:50 weight balance. Mid and rear engine cars can be a nightmare because they rotate so sharply.
At A class and below I think there’s an advantage to be gained with sim steering but faster than that the cars just get too tricky to handle.
On normal steering a trick I like to use to get cars to cut sharper is to increase the rear sway bar size (or reduce the front) while also reducing rear rebound (or increasing front). If this results in a car that’s unstable at high speeds I’ll use aero adjustments to compensate, running higher in the rear to keep it from over-rotating.
If you have good tunes for you or you tune yourself and you switch all of a sudden to sim steering or from sim to normal your tunes (mostly) are not going to work for you.
I drive all classes (mainly GT) with sim steering so I have some input:
Sim steering is not faster than normal steering, but you may find yourself to be faster with sim steering depending on how you drive. Most of the top drivers in the world use normal steering at least in the higher classes, as it’s easier to control the hp and get smooth laps.
Sim steering was NOT designed for wheels, as so many people on here seem to say otherwise. Normal steering has certain damping applied to input on controllers which is disabled with Sim steering, and is automatically disabled when using a wheel.
Sim steering requires a much higher level of throttle and steering control to prevent dramatic fishtailing. In most cases, it’s better to just let the car slide than try to countersteer, especially at high speeds. Sim steering with TCS off can be a deadly combo and shouldn’t be attempted unless you are completely confident in your skills. If you’re still fishtailing often with TCS on this most likely means that you are not driving smoothly and need to practice steering control. Most cars do not react well to aggressive cornering with sim steering on, so trying to throw the car into a sweeper will likely backfire on you.
If you’re a tuner and you’ve built all your tunes on normal steering, be prepared to redo all of them when you switch. The biggest difference between normal and sim is the turn-in response, where normal has inherent damping applied and sim does not. Most normal steering tunes account for the inherent damping and have high toe and low rebound settings to create the necessary amount of turn-in, whereas since sim steering has no damping these settings are not needed and can make the car very wild if they are left unchanged.
Sim steering also seems to increase the effect that curbs and grass has on you, which means that you have to be more careful when driving over them.
Overall, mastering sim steering will help with your control and make you a better driver. I switched only a few months ago but I’ll never go back.
I’m not sure how long I’ve been using sim steering, it’s been for a few forza motorsports titles. I also use a controller. You might want to use tunes that revolve around sim steering or you might want to start tuning yourself. I tune for how I drive and what assist I use and don’t use.
I recently experimented with sim steering in P class. I am very consistent with my lap times and can run top 20 world leaderboard times (on some tracks!). I do my own tuning.
FTR Cervy is correct. Sim allows instant steering from lock to lock or as fast as you can move your thumb. Normal steering tries to emulate the time it would take to turn a wheel. I.e slightly delayed. Through most corners this is irrelevant but through chicanes the ability to change direction quickly can help. Any advantage here is outweighed by the catastrophic failure caused by tankslapper spin out or “sim twitch”.
As sim steering demands a more gentle approach to steering to prevent the above it will ultimately make you faster as smooth steering and throttle inputs are key to good lap times.
When I get sim steering right on a lap my lap times are practically identical to Normal steering.
In normal steering oversteer / a slide could be sorted with opposite lock (briefly). With sim I have found allowing the thumb stick it return to centre. I.e let go, works best.
Give it a try. If you like it, persevere, if not, go back to normal. Whichever you are most confident with will be the fastest. The top guys in the higher classes are a mixture of both.
The people who say sim is faster and turns tighter are remembering previous Forza’s. (FM4) but there is no difference in FM7 that cannot be overcome with tuning.
If you use others tunes then their tune may work better with on or the other depending on which steering method they use.
“Sim steering was designed for wheels” Turn 10 devs speaking directly to me during my Green Disk days.
It had something to do with wheels not working well with ‘normal steering’ and needing to take out some of the “help” that is designed for controller use.
Using Sim steering is like racing without a braking line. It’s not slower or faster, just more risk involved.
Take it from me learn to trail brake on sim steering coming into a turn. Its even possible to drift properly on sim steering once you learn it properly.
Most of the guys here will say OH ITS FOR WHEELS what that actually means is its to hard for them (Cause if it was in this game specifically for wheels you wouldn’t be able to use it on the controller RIGHT if its specifically for wheels)
Sim steering is unforgiving if your steering inputs are not smooth as it should the style to go fast with normal steering and the style to go fast with simulation steering is completely different.
Been running Sim steering on the gamepad since it became available in Forza. Also have all other assists turned off, from E up to R and X cars.
No TCS, no ABS, just let the game do the clutch for me on the pad.
Difference is a much better feel of the car.
For me it feels like with Sim you actually turn the wheel, on normal you move the car.
I now also have a wheel, would recommend using normal steering on that. As it automatically removes the filters but on Sim you encounter some weird errors in the ffb that mess things up.
In my signature you find a link to my tunes, all for wheel an controller on Sim. You do need a specific type of tuning. In general normal steering on controller will not work with Sim steering.
A general controller tune will not work on a wheel.