I find it interesting that this thread is pinned to the top here where the bulk of the posts are negative biased against the game. And with good reason I might add. While over in the FH5 forum it isn’t pinned, the vote is pretty much a dead heat, and it floating lower and lower in the posts every day.
And @Staffy2 ,having a newsletter isn’t going to magically make people start loving the game. What will make people start loving the game is for the game to start turning into a better racing game and less of a grinding game.
But I’m not grinding I’m enjoying it. I love the racing. I’m having some great races online. Before I know it my cars levelled up… I’m not purposely levelling them up it just happens while racing. You cant hold against me for enjoying the game as I am.I can’t help liking so much. If they improve things I’ll never put it down.
I look at the new online classes when they are up two days before they start. I then get my cars ready and race them and upgrade them. Because it’s a purpose I enjoy its enjoyment while I drive. I really love doing this it makes the game so much better. I then love racing them on the day the new classes start.
I don’t believe myself, or anyone else has held or said anything against you or (others how will be kept out of this) for enjoying the game your way. It always seems, however that your posts and some posts of others have been very condescending towards people who are very disappointed and dissatisfied with the grind of the game. Call it what you may. Play it however you may. But I don’t enjoy the game your way.
I would much rather prefer (as would a majority of players) to buy a car, go to the upgrade shop and fix the car the way I want it and set it up the way I want it. Then take it out and go racing. No grinding needed.
No that’s the trouble with messages they can be read totally wrong. In no way have I ever meant to be condescending in any way to people who aren’t happy with the game, If anything the way I’m saying things is because I feel a bit bad for enjoying the game when so many on here have stopped playing it. That’s why I say don’t hold it against me for liking it. I’m sort of speaking apologetic… I feel for people who aren’t enjoying it.
I’m not on gamepass I brought the premium edition… It will improve for everyone as MS have deep pockets. They will sort it im sure.
Well I get what you’re try to say with that post. But telling people how good the game is or how good the game might be, isn’t getting that message across.
Hello the Early 00 called lets send you a email newsletter… I bet you it going to be exactly what you already push on socials and on your website. Its point less dont bother. Focus your efforts in improving and fixing your game.
Question, why should we have to go to the suggestion hub? One suggestion at a time, multiple ideas get lost in the shuffle. I don’t really believe the suggestion hub gets any more attention than threads here.
Why can’t we just have a decent open discussion about what the community wants and doesn’t want to see in a news letter right in this forum. Just make a sticky thread called “newsletter discussion”.
Furthermore, if the development team was actually involved in this “official forza forum” and actually communicated with the forum members (even if just you @T10ManteoMax would actually engage in full conversations) with maybe a couple of team members from the development team. On a regular and ongoing basis. And even if the development team just read through the forums they would know without doubt, what the community wanted to see in a newsletter.
For the record: The Suggestions Hub is absolutely the way we discuss recommendations. If players are not voting and just trying to repost pain points in various discussion threads, that is not helpful for the way we digest and diagnose community interests. Multiple threads on the same subject in discussion is not helpful for this process because they aren’t easily digestible. Multiple issues in a post is not helpful for this process because it blurs the priority. When I’m presenting the voting data to the dev teams, what I’m telling them is that Proximity Radar is a bigger priority to the community than CarXP because it has more votes than anything else in Economy / Progress and Gameplay and Multiplayer / Online If that’s not an accurate count, then players need to continue voting. If that’s an accurate count, then players need to understand that their particular issue might not be the priority expressed by the wider community.
We have stated this over and over and over in our blogs. Not believing it to be true not only is not productive, it’s counterproductive if you end up convincing other users to not vote on what they want.
As far as communication goes we will be publishing everthing we publish in the newsletter here on the forums. I am constantly urging more frequent and detailed communication, but there are limits to what we can predict will be completed when the task is complex, both in relation to features like FRR and AI as well as bugs. There is also clearly a disconnect between what players are saying when they say “monthly or weekly updates” and would reject “We’re still working on it” communication from Forza every week.
The best method of getting what you want is to provide the developers what they want: constructive, detailed, vote count feedback. Help me help you while we continue to work on improving the player experience for everyone.
@T10ManteoMax , thanks for reply. So helping drive forum users to the correct forum threads is an area where “we the users” can help our own purpose. Such as driving forum traffic to the suggestions for carPG for instance. One such way to do that would be posting a thread in the general forum thread about those such suggestions. However when those threads get started they end up getting locked because they are deemed as “suggestions” and not in the appropriate forum. Allowing them to be posted and discussed in the main forum would ultimately help to drive the community to the suggestions forum and help get more people aware of the voting which needs to be done to get actions to the department team.
I firmly believe nearly 50% or more of the general population of users would like to have the carPG system changed. Far more than for the radar stuff.
I searched through these three suggestions threads. I could not find one single incident of proximity radar listed. And searching in game play the top three items are all about getting rid of the carXP, carPG system. If there is a higher vote base for the radar it isn’t in the suggestions hub. If it is coming from some other place then that is a failing of the communication of the forum that needs to be fixed so the community can know where to find the information and set the information correctly. I believe if we set up a poll for radar vs casXP we would find carXP far more of an issue.
Use the link FennecTailz provided above - Proximity Radar is in the Visual Experience category, but you can see it all by clicking the Motorsport Features category and sorting by votes.
Thanks @FennecTailz for pointing out the link. Always looking to learn more.
But digging a little deeper into that list. There are three suggestions regarding the systems around carPG/carXP. And when you look at the total of the three vs the single radar topic, the vote total for changing the car system is 660.
Thank you for laying that out, especially for those who might not have seen it before.
I know you’re here to help, I know you do a lot here, and I’m sure there’s even more you wish you could do.
Like many game companies, this studio has so many avenues for communication across social media,
and it can’t be helped that the vast majority of consumer feedback is most likely to be scattered & unstructured,
making it seem rather neglectful to tune it out if it’s not in the Suggestions Hub and/or the Troubleshooting Hub.
The Suggestions & Troubleshooting Hubs are good supplemental channels for community input, but it seems like quite a lot of valuable feedback & information would be missed if it was disregarded as “not helpful for the waywedigest and diagnose community interests.”
…It seems like digesting & diagnosing community interests would be done better by following how the community communicates.
When the community is broadcasting loudly across multiple frequencies, but the studio chooses to only tune in to one low-traffic frequency, then it seems like the studio is turning a deaf ear to most of the community’s messaging.
Filtering actionable feedback to only what’s properly submitted (& approved) in the Suggestions & Troubleshooting Hubs seems to treat consumers like unpaid testers who must follow formal QA procedures just to be heard.
Plus, it can also be hard to vote for specific approaches in the Suggestions Hub when there might be lots of bad ideas suggested for addressing shortcomings…
…For example: even though lots of people might strongly dislike the “caRPG progression system,” they might not want to vote for existing suggestions to replace it with something worse - and that lack of voting could give the false impression that the community doesn’t want caRPG removed/replaced.
I was going to write something like this myself. The suggestions hub or whatever is a mess, more of a mess than the main area is. I wouldnt doubt that thousands of posts made by people here have fallen on deaf ears for years since its not their chosen way to digest feedback.
If people wonder how a franchise like this could end up in a situation like this, things like this are the reasons why. Its absurd that people need to go to vote on suggestions just so they can be deemed worthy of submission.
3 months to acknowledge that 3 integral pieces to their game are jacked up, maybe this system is a little slow. A quick look pretty much anywhere this game has been mentioned since launch should have been sufficient to see peoples issues.
Or, and i know its a big ask, play your own game. Within an hour, the ai’s faults are apparent, the penalty system would show it doesnt work properly, the driver and saftey ratings dont separate players properly, numerous bugs and crashes that happened to the vast majority of players, all in front of their own eyes.
Votes shouldnt be needed for the problems this game has. Its almost as though its used as an excuse to not fix or change anything. Well, people didnt vote specifically in the suggestions hub, we had no idea tracks were disappearing or that replays still dont save even after we said we fixed it. Its lunacy.
That, and everything else that was said in this post.
The suggestions hub hardly makes sense for things that don’t even affect core gameplay, like future cars and tracks; it’s glorified begging for content that other developers would have accurately read the room and said, “You know, it would make a lot of sense to have this in the game right away or ASAP.” Making the players have to beg to make a game playable is how your player numbers end up in triple digits or lower.