Thank you guys for the feedback - please continue testing and providing feedback, that’s very valuable for me.
Two remarks:
QT is very precise esp. about ARBs and spring rates so when entering ARB and spring values make sure you really select the closest possible in-game value which can be sometimes not trivial. A 0.1 ARB and 0.5 spring rate difference can make a world of a difference.
When using aero tunes make sure to use the auto-aero function which will usually provide the best result except on high-speed tracks like Le Mans or Daytona.
I love your app and agree with 99% of what you say elsewhere, but I cant believe that in a blind test any user could tell apart two cars that had such subtle differences as 0.1 ARB and 0.5 spring rate. I might be the most insensitive driver out there, but I’d put the threshold at closer to 1.0 ARB and 50 pounds of spring before same car same track a good driver would notice a change.
Well Ii said it „can“, It depends on the car and drivetrain. AWD cars are generelly more forgiving while for some RWD and FWD cars those subtle changes can be really noticed especially on very technical tracks.
I have been using QuckTune and FACR Tune It Youself side by side for a few weeks now. The settings suggested by both produce similar feel on the track, but are wildly different on paper re. spring, arb & damper settings. If anything, the closer to a 50/50 weight split you get, the more tweaking both tunes need in order to get your car “feeling good” on the track. Other than that, great work by both parties involved.
I’ve found a way to get the exact numeric value for setups. It’s a tricky process that involves both the xbox 360 gamepad’s thumbstick and your mouse.
You obtain the value that your need. For example: Front spring @ 456.35.
You use your gamepad like normal to get as close to your value in this case it’s 456.31 the next value is 456.39. 456.39 is chosen. It doesn’t matter.
What I did was use my mouse cursor at the end of the small narrow red bar associated with the numeric value.
I would use the thumbstick and dial the number back to 450.09. This value doesn’t matter I simply want to get away from the value I original choose.
I would use the mouse cursor (while the numeric value is highlighted by the gamepad) and try to dial back the value by 4 clicks.
There is a trick to this. When you do it correctly the numeric value won’t change at all but you still hear an audio click as if it did.
You go back to the original value you were looking to set. If done correctly you will notice it would have changed: 456.34 the next value is 456.41
You dial it back a little and repeat step 5. But this time you want to increase the numerical value by 1 click.
9 Check again and you should see 456.35.
When you are able to set the exact value there is very little test driving needed. You are only adjusting for preference.
I may be off my rocker, but if there is any quantifiable difference in outcome between the exact value and the nearest directly available value, it’s well beyond my skill or observation to find it. I think his point was not to call +/- 20 lbs close enough. I also don’t have a mouse on my xbox. So I’m good… But congrats and respect on working that out, there is a certain reward in just figuring out such things for their own sake.
Tried Forzatune7 and its great, managed to overtake AI by lap 6 in unbeatable level without the need to push for max place at the beginning of the first lap. Love the ability to saves the tune.
Hey, ConfusedGalaxy6 =)
I hope, I am not too late to tell you my experience with tuning-calculators for Forza-games!
So first of all, I use both calculators.
And since there is no implementation of the Horizon series in QuickTune (jet), I will tell you that ForzaTune does a great job!
But: I can tell you from my experience, that QuickTune does a MUCH better job in FM7!
I used ForzaTune a long time, got some good setups out of it, and never regretted buying it.
But when I discovered and used QuickTune, I got much better results in hotlapping… On every track I like to drive (Nordschleife, Hockenheim, Spa, Yas Marina, Mugello and many more) I was a few seconds faster with the QuickTune setup then I was before (faster than ForzaTune and my own tunings aswell).
And the reason for this is simple:
QuickTune calculates your setup in a completely different way!
It is easy to drive (you are way faster with a car you can trust than with a car you have to “fight” to stay on track) and it also recognizes that Forza Motorsport 7 is not a real simulator game and that some physics are much weaker (or non-present at all) than in reality.
So QuickTune gives you a very good tune for the game, maybe not for the real life, but that isn´t what you want
I don´t want to say that every calculator out there is worse than QT!
I really don´t!
Maybe there are even better ones out there, maybe you are a very good tuner without a caltulator, but what I just told you is my honest opinion!
And to be honest:
Every Forza-Title is very expensive…
So, if you had enough money for the game, you also do have the few bucks to spare for a calculaor or two
I really hope I could help, feel free to PM me for any questions =)
The funny thing is, I had the exact opposite.
Neither is right or wrong, it’s purely how you tend to drive I think.
AND I’m sure that splits again depending on wheel or pad - AND that would split again depending on wheel or pad/accessory etc
If I get a chance again tonight I’ll do more testing but I liked the feature in FT7 that allowed you to choose the track and specific setting for it.
I found all available calculators gave different results and none of them suited my driving style. I’d say you need to try each calculator, testing on the same handful of cars and go with whichever one gives you the best tunes to suit you.
Personally, I found some YouTube vids made by a clever bloke showing calculations to make your own tunes based mostly on weight distribution. I made my own spreadsheet for just ARBs, springs, dampers and aero balancing, and so far it works perfectly for me. I only have to tune camber and diff really which is easy enough.
Tried QuickTune7, and it’s great. The only missing feature is to save the tune. It has recent tab, but I don’t know how long it remembers the tune. I am winning in an underpowered car on unbeatable difficulty. So far I’m loving it :-).
Nothing beats getting high on the leaderboard using your own parts and your own tune.
Using a calculator is nothing short of lazy and a cop out IMO. Learn to tune yourself, it is an integral part of the game and no one tune works for everyone since everyone has their own way of driving.
A tune set up for someone who brakes late and accelerates hard out the corner will never work for someone who drives more smooth.
Some might come right back at you and say learn to drive cars tuned by others, adapt to the car, make it work. Unless you find ways to get the max out of cars you didn’t tune you’ll never know if you are just using tuning to overcome bad driving habits.
Tuning apps are useful for people learning to tune. You can try same car with tunes from different apps and learn what each difference does to the handling. If you just DL tunes and drive them you might be able to feel the difference but as they are locked you wont know why.
Shame on all us lazy cop-outs! How dare we choose to play differently to this person!
Seriously though, since I started using the knowledge shared by others via these apps as the foundation of my tunes, my lap times have greatly improved and I am enjoying the game much more than before. The settings suggested are sometimes far from ideal and require a lot of tweaking to get the car behaving how I want it to, so it is hardly a matter of “copy & paste”.
Why is it lazy!? Some of us don’t play a game 24/7, and don’t have time to play due to family, work etc. obligations, so it’s easier to call us lazy. Shame on you!!! These tune apps provide great basis, much better then the default setup, and some of us just want to enjoy the game (little time that we have) and are to old to prove anyone anything and don’t care about leaderboards.
I bought QT over the weekend, already had FT since 7 came out, and 6,5 before that. The question I have is what adjustments should I make when using Rally suspension in H4? I remember somewhere that you use HALF of the suggested Spring Rate and that is what I have been doing, along with the last couple of times also using half on the shocks, Jury is still out on that though. I am glad to see that you are going to put out a Horizon addition. I have always been satisfied with FT getting me a good base to start with but for some reason the results in H4 are just not getting me anywhere trying to use RWD cars on anything above B class. I hate having to go the AWD route but so far I have to or not be competitive against the AI. IF you want a tester for the Horizon addition, hit me up.
Tuning between H4 and F7 differs in a lot of aspects especially when using a rally suspension which is not available in F7. You are right about the springs rates though
There will be soon a separate QuickTune app with full support for Horizon 4 - stay tuned!
