So I finally got to play Forza 6 for awhile coming from Forza 4, and the first thing I noticed is how much every car oversteers for me and my issues with braking properly.
So I’m wondering on how to prevent/manage oversteer. The oversteer is caused by:
Letting off the throttle completely right before or while cornering
Braking while cornering or right before cornering
Sometimes when changing turning direction from the previous direction
And my braking issues:
Braking too light or too hard under hard braking
Can’t seem to ever go above 40% or 50% without jolting up to the lock-up point
Locking up most of the time when downshifting due to applying the brake harder for some reason
Yes, I have adjusted controller settings to what most people use. I know it isn’t anything with the tune since this happens even in stock cars. I am new to forza 6 however, and I’m more used to forza 4’s physics. If anyone would be willing to drop me any suggestions that’d be awesome.
Most of what you describe is related to the new controller and new physics.
The new controller is a good bit more sensitive to throttle, break, and steering inputs. You have more control of what the car is doing.
The physics have also improved to be more intuitive. No longer can you just smash the gas or brakes with reckless abandon. Now you have to finesse the cars a bit and focus on your line. It definitely gives a more realistic feel of the dangers of driving a car too hard. I’ve heard peak braking is 70% of trigger. I often am at 70-85% throttle out of corners unless it’s a grip tune.
Both of those combined result in normal steering being a bit more responsive than sim steering on FM4. If youre using simple steering, drop it for now.
I’ve practiced a bit and have been a little more careful all round and have just increased deadzones in a few spots to help. Since then I haven’t been finding myself wanting to spin out and all. Braking is still a minor issue because I always brake too little but I’m not really locking up now, sometimes when I downshift but not really.
Thanks for letting me know about all this by the way.
If you want to keep the car in line while braking use the stock brakes or grab the race brakes and bias them to brake harder on the front. Oversteer is not the enemy though. In fact keeping a car right at the edge or a little over it is the fastest way around a track generally.
I’m not saying you need to be driving through your side windows with a cloud of smoke billowing from screaming tires. But a gentle, shallow angle four wheel drift into a turn keeps your entry speed high while still keeping the nose aimed at the apex of a corner. In a high powered or low grip RWD car you do as much steering through the throttle as you do the steering wheel.
I like to start a slide before a turn and use the brakes to lock the angle until I feel the car start to pull back into line then I feed it enough gas to keep the tail out just a little. I’m usually full throttle just after or right at the apex and blasting out the back of the turn with serious speed in a car that doesn’t grip very well. It’s loads of fun but it is not easy and I make plenty of mistakes too.
In Forza 6 most cars will grip too much or slide too much. You just have to find what works for you and where you feel most comfortable.
I’ve recently started playing Forza 6, I was having the same issues as you (R34Rush) more with oversteer than braking. Braking definitely needs to be done before the corner on Forza 6 almost preparing the car in stages, ie- braking, then turn in, letting the car settle round the apex before reapplying the throttle, the type of car you drive will determine the exit, good grip cars allow earlier throttle application, where as more powerful cars require they are further round the corner or even back on the straight before power can be put down. I’m sure you know all this already though. I got round the oversteer problem by buying a wheel, only cause I was looking for a while and its what I’m used to. Expensive but well worth it!!
Yeah my next step is to get a wheel and all that. It will be a very long time before that happens though.
I have been playing a lot though recently and I’m just gonna say I’ve gotten a lot better since I first got on Forza 6 a few days back.
Practice makes perfect, I came straight from Forza 4 as well, had the Fanatec CSR wheel which is no longer compatible, so I got the Fanatec CSL Elite, great buy, I feel at home again!!
For twitchy and oversteery cars lowering the caster is working for me. Makes steering more smooth and less nerveous. (I play with standard controller.)
Wait… lowering the caster; does that not allow better turn in and allows the wheel to turn sharper as it allows you to run more negative camber whether you’re cornering or going in a straight line?
I think it’s the opposite - keep caster high for cars that are really twitchy and oversteery, and a low setting for cars with an understeer problem. However, camber settings and ride height also come into play…
What am I missing here though? Do I have it backwards?
No, you have it right. Most race cars run very little caster and generally high camber. This makes them “pointy” and responsive. It’s one of the reasons why race drivers tend to be constantly working the steering wheel. It’s also why many race cars have a mark on the steering wheel telling the driver where center is. The cars don’t self center like road cars.
In isolation adjusting caster won’t turn a mule into a race winning car but it’s certainly one of the adjustments you’ll need to make.
Excellent, that’s what I thought too. And you’re right - a car that’s predisposed to understeer from the factory cannot be magically corrected until you make heavy modifications/upgrades, even then it does not entirely lose its understeery or oversteery character, for example.
I love negative camber and low caster on race cars BTW!
In high powered RWD you can try to lower the Deceleration differential if the car feels like it’s pushing you too hard into the turns when braking… also if the car is curling over itself when you begin to throttle, you can try lowering the accel.
i generally keep these from all the way off, and raise them in 5% increments until it feels right. Usually not higher than 25% feels good
Other than that, I tend to have more issues with understeer than oversteer, probably the way I drive.