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Forza Motorsport Legacy Motorsport FM7 Discussion
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Silence…

Well, maybe not but there isn’t much to get excited about with F7. With previous releases I always found something that peaked my interest and as I have been playing since day one, it is clear that Forza Motorsport has come along nicely and is rightly considered to be at the peak of the genre…

But as Bob would say, times they are a changing…

With FH3 it was widebody kits and Edition cars, Forzathon and rewards for playing.
FM6 got me with Group 5 and a greatly expanded car list over 5.
Horizon 2 genuinely felt like a huge game, way bigger than the first. Horizon came to Europe and I still think it’s better than 3.
And for all of FM5 limitations, it looked great on the One despite a suspected rush to complete…

The point I am making is that there has always been something there to appeal, to keep me interested. I can only speak my own opinion but this has to be the most underwhelming Forza release yet. Turn 10 have spent the last 7 weeks teasing out a car list which is devoid of anything really interesting, has many things missing and somehow despite being 700 plus cars in length, doesn’t hold a lot of “new”.

It’s still the wrong Testarossa, there’s no 308/328, why not an LP400, or another TVR, no 935 or 917, the same old aero.

Flatter than Holland…

And I know that the Bentley Continental GT will still have that mesh error on the boot lid that it’s carried since FM5 and that more than a handful of cars will look disconnected and floaty.

I’ll be the first to admit that there really isn’t a lot you can do with a driving game. Cars and tracks and a stopwatch, that’s pretty much it. It’s really hard to come up with fresh new ideas, new shiny for us all to go ooooh at but if all of that shiny comes with DLC and paywalls then what exactly am I getting for the £50 the base game costs?

Not a lot it seems…

Ok so yes, it will look stunning I am sure on a One X running at 4K on a 50" screen but that’s an expensive upgrade that most won’t be doing.

So Turn 10 have played safe with Forza. They’ve adopted the standard approach to entertainment these days and chosen the path of least resistance, the simplest option. It pains me to say it but Forza is now Call of Duty, it’s the Marvel Cinematic Universe, it’s Star Wars owned by Disney…

Maybe it needs to move forward by looking back.

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For veterans of the forza series id say forza 7 is turning out to be a pretty lackluster entry on almost every level. But for pc only players or people that havent owned an xbox one its going to be a pretty new experience and i think that’s what their focus is at this point. I dont wish them any bad luck but i dont see this installment being too successful. The pc might bring them some decent sales like it did with horizon, but i think the competition is too strong this year to come out with little more than a 4k forza 6.

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Yeah in general F7 is not looking good at all, but ever since seeing the transition from F4 to now it just doesn’t surprise me anymore. It’s always been about trying to find new audiences vs catering to the original crowd. I’m actually kind of surprised people are just now seeing what T10 is doing, when most of us have been watching it for quite some time now. Every game release for XB1 has just been conservative, catering to casuals and new players, and T10 not really bringing anything new or exciting to the series. It’s about the initial appeal of the game, using car numbers, track variation numbers, and graphics to appeal to newcomers. However, it’s easy to see through especially now when we can look back on all the recycled content and still lacking game features people still want.

I think part of the problem is the games are just released too frequently now (i.e. Call of Duty games). T10 within 2 years always seem to focus on the wrong things. Rather than focus on the core of the game such as multiplayer, PI re-work/testing, track penalty system issues/corner cutting problems, or even car clubs, it seems most of the effort is put into things that don’t add to the game like autovista, driver customization, or overall graphics in general (4k res…etc). I applaud them for their efforts I suppose, but it seems like a lot of unnecessary effort for a game that should primarily be focused on racing/motorsport. Fix the core problems with the series first, then add all the extra stuff no one cares about if there’s enough time (autovista, driver customize, 4k, etc…).

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I have to say i am a bit surprised. Even though forza 6 didnt last too long for me i thought it was a great stepping stone to build from. They spent the time adding tracks and cars that were missing from 5 and while the core didnt change much at least the content was there.

I figured for forza 7 they wouldve revamped the core features ie new tuning, more race day options, better ffb, more realistic physics etc etc, but no, they added more cars. Not that i have an issue with more cars, i love cars but more cars was not what was needed.

We’re once again getting the same regurgitated content in a pretty new shell, or at least xbox one x and pc players are, the regular xbox one gameplay has yet to be shown so who knows. As you already know and have made a video about its basically been the same game since forza 3.

I dont have a problem with a developer trying to attract new players its a business, but i don’t see these new players theyre trying to attract lol. Motorsport has already reached its peak on xbox, its not a system seller plain and simple. Releasing on pc isnt going to add many new players especially if people had bought horizon 3 and seen how turn 10 operates with regards to its community.

Whether people want to compare the games or not forza has stiffer competition than they ever have in the past. To create a game like this, almost as though they dont even acknowledge these other games exist is pretty scary to me. I believe its passed cockinesss at this point and bordering on just plain ignorance.

I believe this game will make or break the motorsport series. I think by continuing down this path of “accessibility” theyve created their strongest competitor in the horizon series. The games are just too similiar to justify having to buy them both especially when horizon is more suited to these kinds of physics. If it doesnt sell as well as horizon 3 i dont think we’ll see another one or if we do itll copy gran turismos more focused approach.

Its a shame really, with some simple additions and fixes to the core(or at least what i thought was the core) they couldve kept their original fan base and in turn kept the number one marketing tool for any game which is word of mouth.

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I dunno about that; FM6 is probably my favorite in the series, thanks to the unreal car list it brought to the table.

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I’d perhaps liken it to a “Best of” album.

Contains a load of previously released songs on one CD (tracks/cars) from albums that came before it on other formats (tapes, vinyl records, minidiscs etc) (original Xbox, Xbox 360, even Xbox One for those on PC), along with a handful of never before released to the masses songs (New Dubai circuit, 911 GT2 RS).

Don’t get me wrong though, I’m still incredibly disappointed that we’ve got barely any new content, and are still playing catch-up with a game that came out 6 years ago.

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That’s real well put but don’t those albums usually come out when an artist/band retires? What does that say about the series? Or is that your point? :thinking:

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Suzuka and Mugello are the only reasons I’ve pre-ordered it.

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They have the magnum opus of racing games to pull ideas from: Forza 4.

I honestly wonder sometimes how the company we see today was able to produce such a complete and amazing game in 2010, and why they never modeled future games after it. Turn 10 is trying to be new in areas where no one’s asking them to be new, and being hopelessly stale in the areas we constantly ask them to update. They haven’t even given a believable advertising campaign for this game, everything they’ve done so far has felt bland, disconnected, like they honestly don’t care. I am starting to believe that these people have taken their audience for granted and fully expect us to buy whatever game they make no matter what they do with it.

Not me, though. As of right now I am not even going to buy the base version of Forza 7, I will stay with Assetto until I see some reason for me to give Turn 10 a chance again.

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I have to agree here. I joined up when Forza 4 came out and in its day, most players still insisted that FM3 was actually better. But over time opinion has shifted and now most players I see agree that FM4 was the height of the franchise. It actually had the greatest variety or diversity in cars and tracks, not the largest numbers (though close) but a greater sense of meaning behind the inclusion of each one. Duplicates were minimal, and the varied real-world and fantasy tracks meant that there was something for everyone. There were more cars with body kits and every single DLC was packed with 10 all-new cars, plus there were 2 or 3 free promotional DLCs, and the Porsche expansion.

FM4 had a great career mode too, where you could basically pick what events to do at your own pace for a steady reward, plus wacky game modes like car soccer and autocross events. Yeah they were simple, but T10 was working with what they had.

FM4 may not be very technically impressive by today’s standards… but T10 have still spent six years trying to play catch-up with it. And I personally don’t think they’ve pulled it off. They have yet to make a game feel as cohesive, as satisfying, and as content-rich as FM4.

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^^^^ yuuuup. That about sums it up for me, too.

And very soon, they will find out what can happen when you start thinking that way. They will crash, they will burn (look at the charts; sales are already trending down), PCARS will take over and the same thing will happen to that franchise in about 10 years, too.

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Very interesting as I was wanting to liken the situation to politics earlier today. We have an election looming here in NZ, and you see the party that has been in power for 9 years really has nothing new to bring to the table, no big policies to reveal, while the others are yelling bigger and bolder than ever. I guess there is a natural cycle to these things as well as the actions of individuals. The same could be said with Intel, with AMD now making a comeback because of complacency in the roadmap. Competition drives innovation, so hopefully FM8 or 9 will be amazing.

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They will not crash, they will not burn. Project cars will definitely not take over. But thanks for the nice chuckle.

Oh and feel free to share these charts that you speak of…

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As requested:

Feel free to have some HP sauce with your crow.

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You know VGChartz numbers aren’t close to being accurate right? They’re extrapolated estimations, based on “sources”. We actually have very few solid numbers on how the franchise has been doing, aside from;

FH3 selling 2.5 million+ by December of 2016
FM6 selling 1 million + by January of 2016

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This doesn’t count digital copies and Horizon 3 PC is digital only.

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Fully agreed as well. I haven’t canceled my pre-order yet but if pc2 (which is out a week before fm7) is much better with the controller than pc1 was, my pre-order is being canceled. Tough to say since I’ve been here since day 1. But this is pretty ridiculous at this point. I don’t think this game will be bad by any means but the fact that they obviously have given up listening to us and just want to make money is insane. (I completely understand wanting to make money but if you lose your core audience, it’s downhill from there.) Please show us something. Stop playing your little games and just show us something. That’s all we’re asking here.

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Agree 100% except that as much as I love your last two lines I’m not going to bother echoing them because – I’ve said this before, and I’ll say it again now – THEY. HAVE. NOTHING. MORE. TO. SHOW. Because they simply don’t think they need to. They have their 4K support – we know that, because they’ve said it a TRILLION times – they have race suits, they have their take on dynamic weather, they have a PC version, they have 690 re-hashed cars and they have even more support for the ultra-nerd world that is e"Sports". That, dear readers, is all they’ve got this time around, and you can take it or leave it. Period.

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That makes 7 of us lol…i been playing Forza since the first one back in 2005 and thoroughly enjoy them for the Most part. But what I’m seeing that’s becoming of the 7th, not 2nd and not 5th but SEVENTH iteration is just a downgrade. We have all said it but I do say it again, way too many rehashed cars and some that just don’t fit this game ( hummer, forza editions, escalade, limo, vans etc…) when there could have been focus on any number of the hundreds of road cars and race cars that have yet to be appear in a Forza game. While the track list is the biggest of any Forza and its not bad overall, it is missing several good ones that made past games fun and could have bumped the track roster up some more as that also felt like it was lacking in numbers. Overall it just does not feel like it’s worth a new game price. Then the forza edition cars which lets be honest we can make these ourselves I mean really T10? Smh its things like that, that make me shake my head in disappointment. Forza 4 and 6 are the best of the series and it seems they have downgraded from those games, I mean dare I say it besides some enhanced graphics and a possibly better career, forza 6 on paper looks to be the better game. I’m not buying day 1 that’s a definite, I will wait until maybe Christmas after some dlc is released and updates perhaps and see how the game does then. Until then my money is going to PC2.

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I see the consensus of just about everyone here is like my own. I’m so underwhelmed by the reveal of FM7, T10 is targeting new PC players and pushing loyal buyers to the back burner. The game offers almost nothing new when you really examine it. Bummer to the Max

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