My thoughts on Forza 7

Now I know this has been said a million times and that the game received so much criticism that this all may sound like a broken record already, but I just want to share my thoughts on Forza 7 and what actually happened to the Forza franchise. If you have had enough of these threads, then please, by all means, stop reading and do something you think is more productive.

First of all: Graphics.

There is a reason why I put this on 1st place. This seams to be T10’s biggest selling point. You see, they keep shoving that 4K tag in our faces. But not only that the game doesn’t run 4K (yet), a lot of the actual details have had their detail reduced.

You may have noticed that the cockpit of the cars doesn’t look nearly as detailed during a race, as opposed to Forzavista. The tracks also have very poor quality. Don’t get me started on the horrible 2D trees in Mapple Valley or Le Mans for example.

I know this game runs on a 4-5 years old hardware and compromises had to be made for the new weather and lightning, but this is completely counter productive. And when 4K actually comes? I will be staring at the same dull 2D trees but with double the pixels. Eye candy!

Moving on to my second point: Advertising.

I don’t really need to say that advertising a game has never been easy. In this case however T10 seams to be doing something… off in the last few years. The most obvious example can be taken from this video: Forza Motorsport 7 pit stops are so lazy - YouTube
Most of us know that pit stops have never been animated in a Forza game before, that’s not the point. Don’t the 2 trailers seem like false advertising to you? That certainly looks like the case to me.

The sentence “All in-game 4K footage” is not at all true. You never see these pit stops anywhere in the final game, and the 4K footage statement is only 50% true. As if T10 wants to impress with their super realistic graphics, but only on the most important aspects like the cars and the drivers, everything else gets left behind.

My third point is Sound and Music.

I’m actually happy how they implemented the sound effects, it really gives you the feeling the you are racing at high speeds. The sounds from the rumble strips for example are very well made.

However more and more cars start sounding the same, they aren’t as unique as they used to be. It gets boring to hear the same engine sounds over and over again, even when you know that 2 different cars have slight differences in engine note that are practically non existent here.

Up next: Gameplay, Career and Multiplayer.

I really like the updated physics, the cars feel a lot more like actual cars and not like bricks on 4 wheels. Not much to say here, the handling model is pretty good.

Career though… Sigh. Where should I start? The homologation system is good on paper but the implementation is very poor. Not only that you have to drive cars matched to the same restrictions and have a very small upgrade window to work with, but the AI have seamingly much better performance than you, especially on the straights. Sebring is the worst case, the AI are basically impossible to beat via conventional means like clean racing. Plus the rubberbanding that isn’t in the game is another lie. I was literally chased down by 2 AI who did better times than the 1st person on the leaderboard during a Daytona race. Ridiculous!

I don’t think there’s anything to be said about Multiplayer and rivals. They are becoming less and less attractive. Every race turns into a wreck fest, and you can’t even take your favourite D Class car for a few laps around Monza. Both Multiplayer and Rivals are a mess, that shouldn’t have passed beta testing.

Next: VIP fiasco and loot boxes.

I had no problem with the loot boxes in FM6, but here T10 are basically trying to put everything possible into them, suits, mods, badges and even CARS! What is this, Monopoly?

The sole fact that T10 messed up the VIP membership in the first place is an alarming sign that something isn’t right. And it really wasn’t. Why change something that was working fine in the first place? No point whatsoever.

Speaking of “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it” moments, we have some misc stuff that worked just fine before this game. Mainly the UI.

Such things are the test drive menu. I’m still trying to find out why the put that in the middle of nowhere in the pre race screen. It makes it million times more inconvenient. Also the main menu is a lot more confusing than it should, and I normally don’t have issues with the menus.

Last point: Weather

The so called “Dynamic weather” isn’t dynamic at all. You always have 3 subsections in the event weather which have a chance to change mid race. And if always happens, 1 condition in the beginning, 1 in the middle and 1 in the end. It’s all more or less baked in, only thing that changes is the amount of water on track. You also always start with wet weather tires, regardless if it actually rains during the race or if there’s just very thick fog, that switches to overcast later and stays in that way until the end of the race.

And finally, I want look back and see what exactly happened to this once great franchise.

Forza used to bring people together, to make friendships, to connect car enthusiasts, racers, painters and tuners together in 1 big family. Now it’s nothing more than a dead community. Forza in its current state is just a shadow of its former self. A chassis without the coupe.

Over the years since Forza 5 came, things has been going downhill. This once great franchise is now turning into something of the likes of FIFA. T10 is trying to appeal to the casual gamers and not the Forza veterans who still think Forza 4 is the best, 6 years later.

And you know what made Forza 4 so special? The community. Not 4K nonsense, not HDR, not the loot boxes. Forza 4 had one thing that none of the newer Forzas have - passion. It had quality, not quantity. It relied on experienced players to keep itself going and not on newcomers who will pay to look at pretty graphics and never touch the game after 2 weeks. It was made with fun in mind, not profit.

Looking back doesn’t bring me joy, it pains me to see what this franchise has become. It is now in disrepair, losing sales, with T10 trying to figure out why, by removing essential features that made Forza what it was.

The entire community wants a change. Not a change to new things but a revisit to the previous games. The current model isnt working out and for some reason T10 fails to notice it, which is trully dissapointing.

I myself was very excited about Forza 7, but it turned out to be just one big mess. I’m always looking forward to each game, this one though is just… there. It doesn’t stand out as much as it should have, which was the 1 thing it needed to be as awesome as Forza 4, or at least Forza 6.

Don’t get me wrong, I really like playing the game and I enjoy every moment spent in it. But this isn’t Forza anymore, it feels like an unsuccessful Forza clone. This game lost so much of what made it great, that it has no soul anymore. This isn’t Forza we used to love and adore. Forza is now in T10’s eyes a means of making money regardless if the community likes it or not, which is very sad.

Thank you for reading my post. You may agree with some of it and disagree with something else of it, but that’s ok. I have always accepted each Forza game for what it was and never complained about it, but I really needed to speak up for this one.

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Not happy with 7. They took away all of my favorite activities and replaced them with…loot boxes.

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It’s not like Turn 10 didn’t give you any warning. You knew the track count, the car count, the multiplayer situation and were even told that features were going to be missing at launch. They even gave you a demo to sample audio, visuals and various other aspects the game had to offer. Ingame token purchasing (microtransactions) were already a feature in FMS so it shouldn’t have taken much fathoming out to realise they were going to be brought forward into FMS7. Everything was presented to you, yet despite all those alarm bells you STILL had the need to purchase the game.

Why? So you could join the ‘cool gang’ and complain bitterly about how disappointed or cheated you feel or how misled you were?

Sorry but all I’m seeing is just another long list of comments desperately trying to gain the sympathies of others who were equally as reckless with their money.

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Are you suggesting that people who purchase products, in this case games, are not allowed to voice complaints? Because it sounds like it’s what you are saying. The OP even gave you a warning: “If you have had enough of these threads, then please, by all means, stop reading and do something you think is more productive.”

Your thoughts on what these forums are for is just…incorrect.

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I’m not saying that at all. I’m not questioning, moderating or giving any any indication that he/she is not entitled to any freedom of expression. He is quite within his right to say exactly what he likes.
What i AM saying is that the op quite openly said that there were millions of other comments just like his, yet even though he was only alternatively wording what had been covered over and over again he chose not to simply add to one of those threads, instead opting for yet another ‘page 1’ slot for his own personal gratification and his own set of sympathetic likes from the usual suspects.
People would have been more impressed or marginally more sympathetic if he could have offered an alternative slant of this whole affair but he couldn’t even be bothered to do that. Its just another after the fact sob story that’s neither use nor ornament.

But more importantly the op quite clearly demonstrated that he doesn’t use the forums to listen - just to shout. All it would have taken was a couple of days wait and he ( and many, many others) wouldn’t have been in the position he currently finds himself in and could have used his shout in a better context. Turn 10 won’t hear you when they already have a pocketful of your money and the sooner you grasp that fact the better it will be for everyone.

Right, my tme is up… I’m off for 25 laps around Spa with a bunch of others.
(ps. Sorry for any typos. This new dasboard keyboard has a mind of its own)

You say that here.

But then go on to attempt to dictate what he can and cannot say. When you’ve got 4 other people mimicking the same thing I’m telling you, it’s a good chance you’re doing exactly that.

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You don’t get my point. I’m having an absolute blast playing Forza 7. I only wanted to express my point of view regarding what the game is and what the franchise used to be. I’m not asking for a refund, neither am I openly complaining about missing features. I’m just seing that things are going from bad to worse with every new game. That’s why I feel bad.

I was here during launch day and afterwards, I knew that the game has issues, I knew it won’t be perfect, but I still bought it. Why? Because I love Forza. And I didn’t come here to complain.

I’m not entitled to anything, did I ever said I hate Forza 7 and that I felt my money are unjustly spent? No.

Now please stop your criticism, people like you remind me why I don’t come to this forum anymore. Fighting and arguing everywhere, not discussion about the game.

My statement stays true: The game and the forums are just a shadow of their former selves.

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Not true at all.

The demo has better graphics and sound than FM7 itself.

Also, Turn10 never stated that in order to add homologation they would be removing the rest of the game.

Also, I don’t recall any mention of loot crates either.

As far as the car count goes, that’s a lie by Turn10 anyway. There aren’t over 700 cars in the game, there’s just over 500 plus a bunch of cars that are currently completely unobtainable in game, i.e just pictures.

The reckless ones here, honestly, have been Turn10. Reckless with the goodwill of the community.

Also, the forums are precisely the place to air one’s view regarding FM7. If there’s something wrong with the OP’s post, I’m sure the mods can take care of it. I don’t think they need you to help.

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No, the forums are precisely the place to read the comments of others in order to gauge a more structured insight as to the game’s strengths and weaknesses prior to making any decisions. Not purchasing the game sends a much clearer message than yet another heartfelt story by yet another person who saw fit to totally disregard comments from people who had already made the mistake of purchasing FMS7 and took the time to inform others of their error.

Yeah, sorry, as long as the OP’s post doesn’t violate the rules of the forum (it doesn’t) then the forums are exactly the right place to post one’s thoughts regarding the game, it’s merits, and it’s shortfalls.

We got a lot of mods here it seems.

Now, your points are taken though, and your value from the forums are certainly another good purpose for forums.

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But yet there is a number people with the achievement for having over 700 cars…they are all individuals too

Not 700 different types of cars. Buying 700 MX-5s will get you that achievement.

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Completely agree with OP.
Forza has been on the slide since 5. 6 was a reprieve, totally cancelled out by 7. They have done damage to the franchise with this one. It’s sad to see too, with what it once was.
Funny how in interviews Alan Hartman was talking about how much work the auction house gave them, and what do you know, it’s still not up and running. Anything involving a commitment to the fans is almost certainly swerved by Turn 10. The forums are a hollow shell of their former selves. Everything is dying slowly.
But Turn 10 don’t care because whether casuals or hardcore fans they still get their money. But that won’t last long and then they’ll be shut down/sold off in another round of Microsoft “cost cutting measures”.
Oh and i’d forgotten all about the pit stops until that video reminded me! That’s really bad, it’s not even Bullshots cos it just doesn’t exist in game.

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They would have been better leaving the pit stop the way it was in the demo with out that big wopping banner in the way.

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I have to agree with you Mitch, and the OP. I had said back a year ago that if I was Turn 10 I would be embarrassed by the PC release of Horizon 3 and the amount of time it took for it to be playable on the PC side. I couldn’t imagine something like that happening again on a release, but I was wrong on that count. Although I can play on PC just fine with 7, the sheer amount of other issues is mind boggling. And as someone who has spent over 10 years coming to these forums to spend my lunch hour, it is sad to see what is has become compared to what it was. And it saddens me to realize that this just might be my last Forza. Dan said it right, my vision for Forza, which includes it working, just isn’t lining up with theirs.

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I have only been around since FM1, and as a Forza vet I will continue to play FM7. I have enough good racing buddies and private league races to keep me occupied. BUT I will say I totally agree with the op. FM7 has in a whole been a let down to me. But hey! At least we have finally got 4K tire smoke.

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I miss the car clubs of FM4… the ability to share cars, designs, and tunes with friends…

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I agree with ivoGTA and Mitchy, I will continue to play Forza 7 everyday and I think the driving is excellent. I love how the cars feel. The rest of the game design is very Un-Forza.

Maybe Forza 7 is the way it is by design. Maybe Turn 10 only wants to hold the players interest for one year and that allows them to easily get players to buy the next Forza game each year. I don’t like that I am thinking that way but I don’t understand why Turn 10 would remove so many features that made Forza the best console racer period. It makes me shake my head when I read or watch videos and the developers state that they have the community in mind.

I agree that my vision of Forza is not lining up with Turn 10’s vision of Forza. I will continue to Play Forza 7 because the driving is excellent and I believe that Turn 10 will make some changes. I am a motors sports enthusiast and maybe I am not Turn 10’s target demographic anymore.

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