I have used Clutch feature since the first Forza game to introduce it. And the amount of miss shifts from Forza 3 all the way up to Forza 7 is less than the amount of miss shifts I have had just in the couple hours played over night on the new Forza. As someone who drives a manual and has a sequential manual on my sport bike, the new game’s shifting is way too slow and effects your racing significantly. It needs to be tweaked more, because where it is at now, isn’t it.
While were at it can we have ROAD cars that have paddle shifters not require the clutch to shift gears!? From testing I know all the Race cars/GT cars don’t require a clutch to shift gears so why are road cars any different! This needs changing it’s annoying having to switch between just Manual and then Manual and Clutch.
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Yeah the manual with clutch is horrible in this title, you have to hold it for x amount of time and if you miss time it, may as well toss your lap out the window or let the person behind you go. I almost opted to do manual but then i noticed just straight up manual is terribly slow so had to switch back and try to figure the timing out. Still missing them a good amount but not AS bad. Still a fair set back just missing 1 in a lap. Think they are wanting us to feel like we need to upgrade our trans on lower end cars, since they shift way better and i never had a single miss in my s2k when i put on a race trans, but it wasnt worth the point invest. It was 11 more PI over a stock trans. Better off spending those points elsewhere and just hating the shifts. Needs a change for sure.
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The waiting time for shifting gears when using full H pattern (each gear as a separate input) needs to be removed ASAP. Having to wait 3 to 4 seconds for the car to engage the next gear, up or down, is completely rediculous and unrealistic. It makes driving near impossible to any reasonably competitive degree
There cannot be a requirement to use the higher tier gearboxes to fix this, because the progression system exists. It’s also, again, completely unrealistic
I beg the dev team to put themselfs on even the cheapest sim they have lying around, and try to drive with a gear stick and manual + clutch, it simply does not work and I don’t understand how it left the studio without being tested by anyone
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I agree 100%. Gated shifter in sim rig should not be crippled like a controller. Seriously unimmersive.
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Yeah I had to turn it off and just go paddles. As someone who races actual cars, this is super unrealistic and feels horrible. From a gameplay perspective, there should be an advantage to using a clutch anyway. You are having to concentrate on another thing, and messing it up can unbalance the car and send you into a spin. It feels bad for people looking for authenticity and lowers the skill ceiling for the people trying to be competitive.
I get the whole trying to limit power shifting thing, but it feels like they force a 1 second delay… it should probably be more like a .1 second delay. That should stop the instant shifting and wouldn’t be noticeable to someone playing realistically on a wheel with an actual pedal.
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I currently only have a controller an have been using manual w/clutch for years this shifting lag is horrible . I hope they tighten it up. Its my only grip I have with the game. I switched to just regular manual an my times are faster due to the lack of delay
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Imo this is game breaking and makes using manual with clutch super clunky when it takes ages to shift. It was much better in previous titles
I have the same issue all the other games don’t have this issue. It feels like the clutch is taking to long to engage. Hopefully they fix this because I have always played Forza games with manual clutch.
I kind of like this but I know I’m in the minority. The old way of shifting doesn’t work anymore btw. You have to press clutch first then shift. If you don’t feel the vibration once you shift, you did it right. If you feel the vibration your grinding the gear.
This new feature I like. It’s realistic. I agree it’s not controller friendly since you don’t really have the feel of a pedal and a gear stick. But it’s longer to shift 2-3 than 3-4 and that’s realistic.
Get used to holding the clutch a bit longer or put a race transmission in to shorten the shift times for controller use.
If you were on a pedal and wheel setup with a shifter you’d be able to enjoy it more.
In older motorsport games you could shift a stock transmission faster on a controller than you could a sequential in real life in the same car. So what your used to from older games may not be better from a simulation standpoint just what your used to as a baseline
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The problem is that it isn’t more realistic tho. I play on a wheel pedal gearstick setup and drive it like I would a real car. Off the throttle, clutch in, change gear, off the clutch. But there is a massive delay between getting off the clutch and the car changing gear still. If we compare this to beamng which I’d say has the most realistic transmissions in any driving game it is completely unrealistic. Hell even if we compare it to assetto corsa it is still completely unrealistic. And I know Forza doesn’t aim to be ultra realistic simulator but it’s aims are to be semi-realistic and this just completely ruins driving any manual car imo
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its unacceptabel . never had a race game ( i play alot of them over the years) wich such bad shifting physics. its so bad that i almost wanted to quite playing the game after 2 hours, so annoyed i was with the atrocious shifting. i even played fm7 with less hate by the beginning ( i played it for 3 months) .
why have this system ? its a simcade !! we had a normal shift system since fm3 (with clutch) and only like 5-8 % complained about the full throttle shift (since fm6-fm7) games like gran turismo just have normal shifting and you can full throttle shift since gt3 . the shifting (with clutch) takes me more concentration than the actual driving. sometimes i dont even dare to shift, so i set it on manual (without clutch) but its so slowww. so i dont even want to drive non race box cars anymore wich is crazy… so i only leveled 1 car and dont dare to drive another cause i get so frustrated with the shifting . and why? if you want to be more sim why has a porsche PDK a clutch ? assetto corsa all automatics you didnt needed to shift. (with clutch) and if you want to be more sim ,why is the animation still stick if you have a sequantial racebox installed? and why do you need to use clutch on upshifts on a sport gearbox (dogbox ) ? its got straight cut gears ( you hear the whine) so little lift throttle( 20-30% ) u should be able to shift up and only use clutch down the gears . (look at old V8 supercar footage) now i have possilbe solutions here:
-remove the system and go back to how it was (like fm3,4,5,6,7)
-make a stock gearbox shift like the old system . so not lift throttle, clutch ,wait , shift , clutch , wait , gas ,but like fm3,4,5,6,7 but then maybe that you need to go of gas for 30% to shift(so no full throttle shift) a sportgearbox should behave like a dogbox so upshift no clutch only little lift 30% and downshifts u need clutch. and racebox you can full throttle shift but the car has an ignition cut and you dont need a clutch at all (like reallife race cars F2 for example)
why deleting my post ? its not the same as the guy with the race transmission problem its about stock ,sport transmission …been playing forza for over 16 years .and this is what i get ? no reply just delete. being loyal forza fan doesnt mean anything i see… pretty sad
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I completely agree, RayOLight5131. I’ve been scouring YouTube as well as this website for some glimmer of hope that there will be, at the very least, an adjustment. I appreciate the movement toward the realism of a traditional clutch, but just like you, I know how to drive a manual & I am absolutely positive the manual with clutch feeling in this game, in it’s current state, feels like “Granny shifting.” I don’t need to be “Granny shifting” coming down from 115MPH into a chicane. It doesn’t work. Trying to race for longer than five laps results in enough transmission damage to slow me down significantly. Test driving while tuning a car has me pitting within ten lap intervals just to fix my transmission damage. Surely, I’m doing wrong. Fine. Cool. However, I am willing to die on this hill; the manual with clutch feature genuinely needs to be tweaked or adjusted. The upshifts & downshifts are just not right. If we could have 0.1 - 0.2 seconds shaved off the engagement, I believe this would greatly enhance the driving experience for Forza Motorsport.
I’ve been scouring YouTube as well as this website for some glimmer of hope that there will be, at the very least, an adjustment. I appreciate the movement toward the realism of a traditional clutch, but, I know how to drive a manual & I am absolutely positive the manual with clutch feeling in this game, in it’s current state, feels like “Granny shifting.” I don’t need to be “Granny shifting” coming down from 115MPH into a chicane. It doesn’t work. Trying to race for longer than five laps results in enough transmission damage to slow me down significantly. Test driving while tuning a car has me pitting within ten lap intervals just to fix my transmission damage. Surely, I’m doing something wrong. Fine. Cool. However, I am willing to die on this hill; the manual with clutch feature genuinely needs to be tweaked or adjusted. The upshifts & downshifts are just not right. If we could have 0.1 - 0.2 seconds shaved off the engagement, I believe this would greatly enhance the driving experience for Forza Motorsport.
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Indeed shifting does need to be revised. I and I’m sure many others understand why it had to be done but unfortunately many don’t want to come home just to make sure the shift was absolutely perfect. I’ve put a this game down almost immediately when it first came out and picked it back up here and there finally understanding how you’re “supposed to” shift and I still think there needs to be less of a penalty for it. I honestly don’t know what the damage penalty is for a bad shift since I don’t play with sim damage so why the force an over rev penalty when I don’t get it exactly right, I’d like to play the game without having to be force to shift like a perfect ai especially when I’m no where near online tournaments or competitions. That being said if changing the system is a big no no then why not add a volume slider for the whine on race transmissions that could satisfy most people, not everything has to be 100% realistic if you’re just going through the basic career. You already give us the option to choose how we like our steering so maybe something similar to that could help solve this shifting system issue.
It’s deliberately like that. You can’t power shift every car consistently for a long time in real life. If anything, they should go even further and remove clutch as a whole