Hi guys, the rammers problem since the day 1 and i believe so much players said “come on this is just a game, dun be serious”
um…i wanted to say is i paid the same price as u guys and these garbage giving me a very bad game experience.
so how the developers deal with this situation in the future?
i was dealing with these guys couple minutes ago [Mod Edit - do not name and shame other gamertags on the forums. If you see unsportsmanlike behavior you can report it to Xbox and the Support link above. - MM]
at least give us an option the avoid these players. please.
Hiya, making this comment now, then editing to add more depth.
Naming and shaming is a big forum no-no, so might want to remove the names and change “dealing with these guys” to “dealing with this” as well as change the question side to “how to deal with this attitude”
So that specific example, what I would do is take that video, head to the support section and do report a player.
At this point it is in the moderation staff to approach how to deal with this type of play in a case by case basis. Personally most every online game does not approve of that, but I do not know how specifically forza rules or addresses this.
In terms of specific mechanics to deal with it, the hard part with the game is how to differentiate between a rammer and the being rammed. It would take a progressive behavioral tracking system and complex algorithms like what is being brought into Motorsports 7. The only system I could think of would be a flagging system that tracks long term. The more dirty hits you get, the less leniency you get before penalties are issued. By having it progressively across games, clean drivers will avoid being unduly punished.
Rammers are not punished because it is part of the game design of FH4, same as wall riding.
Viewing your video, clearly it’s a team organized to take most advantage of the game rules. This is it, this is FH4.
if you expect clean driving you’ll be either censored/moderated, told to go to FM, etc but since the beginning ramming has been stated and all game staff did if FFAA for which … ramming remains a mean to win …
Only case when you can report and expect something is when players are ramming not in relation with a strategy to win.
I was trying to actually find the code of conduct/terms of service but couldnt
It is why we have rules. Much like you can make obscene art with the liveries, it is fully within the game mechanics, that doesn’t make it permitted. There is stuff that falls outside the capabilities for mechanics to address which is why there are written rules we all agree to. Am sure if we could find our agreement terms, that in addition to that statement, it mentions that intentional wrecking is a violation of the rules.
I came accross same post some days/weeks ago. As far as I understand it, if some players are wrecking you mean blocking you at the start of the race etc and not racing at all, then you have a chance to get them banned. What I see on video shared is different, it is ramming with the intent to have the opponent miss checkpoint , crash in tree.
I have asked to staff directly and got just silence as an answer here
Well, I see intentional complete stopping of a player who was doing well. How does it matter if start of race or 3/4 of the way through. One player isn’t racing with the intentional motive to stop another player. When one is steering into a wall in front of another player, that isn’t missed checkpoint, that is wrecking. If you want to play legal semantics, Phoenix Wright might be more your type of game. I shared right from the support page, “intentional wrecking” and we do not know nor should we care what that entails. It is not our place.
So we know that “intentional wrecking” is a bannable offense. So if a player has on video like here of somebody intentionally wrecking another player, just report it. No moderator will ever discuss or share the results of moderation, so in a case like this, we will never know what the outcome is unless there was moderation and said player came forward with what happened to them.
So original post brought up a problem. Now discuss solution. Saying it is okay by twisting words or arguing semantics does not make it valid. That might work in a court, but there is rules and rules as intended. It is why they are written generally. It allows moderators to more aptly approach each on a case by case basis without needing to have a 600 page law book of precedence and exact specification of what it entails.
So if it says in terms of use specifically “Turning in front of a person at start of race with the purpose of preventing them from passing the 10% completion marker before race ends” that is different from if it says “Intentionally wrecking” Course often those that wish to defend malicious behavior do so only out of selfish needs. Those that want to play a racing game and have fun and competitive online multiplayer experience typically won’t argue against changes and rules which help promote… I dunno… a fun game experience?
Blocking is better? And how is it good? How does that benefit the game in any way? Good racers stop racing and those that win requiring somebody to intentionally use mechanics to prevent another from racing just means that they will lack the skills to intentionally develop? It is a racing game, not a battle royale.
Once more I make the comment of definition of rules. Blocking in racing is when you do not yield driving line to faster traffic.
for example.
When you turn into a wall in front of somebody while pushing them into a wall, that is a wreck. You crashed, and it is intentional. But hey, who wants a long lasting and enjoyable multiplayer experience. The best games all live by toxic play, yeah? Toxic builds the immune system. It gets people playing cause they love racing games where the winner is who has friends to ram everybody else into walls… Correction… drive across somebody’s nose into a wall to completely block them from driving. My bad, blocking.
Yea, not the same thing. Go look up the rules of blocking in a race. You can’t just move over and over to block the person. They are faster than you, too bad. Every time you block you are telling the person you block they are better than you. Causes problems braking for the person you are blocking especially if they have no assists on. They hit you, it is your fault. It’s a race not hold back the faster people for your own benefit slowpoke. Unbelievably bad attitude and why the multiplayer is awful and I avoid it mostly. Just wasting peoples time. How about trying to better yourself by practice and skill.
Even in both those, there are rules about how you are allowed to block. American football has very strict rules. This is racing, and a video game. Therefore what matters is what makes for good video game racing and what the opinions of the ruling body says.
So lets go back to the original post. Player had issue. The set code of conduct apparently does not approve. So the player submits the video via a support ticket. Any supposition of moderation is not our call.
Now we are at the point of discussing it hypothetically for play. So hey. If ramming and teamplay metagames are the only way a person enjoys playing? Good too them. If Playground games wants to allow it, it is there call. But they also need to accept that then those are the only players they will get. There are lots of games on the market. A dis-satisfied person will go elsewhere. So if you want long lobby times, and a short shelf life? Then have your wall sandwiches. Reality is people don’t play because of it. So if having a game means less than winning? Congrats, you won a race. Alas though now you have fewer people who try and race skillfully, poorer and negative representation in the game community plus a dead game when peeps stop playing.
Or it could end up being a game all about ramming and such, that could succeed to. The game is a business, those that want to play will, those that dont wont. Myself? I am saying that said play is toxic and doesnt benefit.
Heck, I don’t waste my time in those matches now. So when I am doing a clean run in the co-op trials and I get rammed out? Not going to waste my time in that lobby. I leave, go again with a new team. They want to ram and finish in last place cause don’t race as a team? not my problem.
They encourage ramming and wallriders.
Ever notice the AI will slam into you and try and push you off checkpoints? I’ve also noticed the AI in street races intentionally trying to drive in front of me on numerous occasions.
I recently had one come flying out of the woods at me, which at first I thought was another human player until.I checked the mini map and seen nobody around me.
If you don’t like the ramming, this is probably not the game for you.
Myself, I just roll around in last place, idiot free driving at it’s best.
This is why I avoid online matches unless I must do them to unlock cars. Drivatars may be aggressive but unlike some people, they aren’t losers, I’d rather race drivatars 24/7 than deal with these losers for 5 minutes.
We are currently looking into wallriding and how to fix this as mentioned in previous streams. However, this is taking a lot longer than planned as we are currently testing a variety of ways and trying to find the best resolution which will be appropriate for all types of players from the new or casual to the hardcore.
In relation to the ramming, unfortunately this is a lot harder to fix or control but this is a topic which is under discussion.
Can i read between lines that fix abaout wallriding is not coming next update either.
I really wonder how this game is tested, as in stream mentioned “team adventure was our intention to prevent griefing as half of players is on your own team” and we have end up with game where there is more ramming and wallriding than previous horizon games at compined.
Best of luck! Hopefully with the release of FM7 race regulations (fingers crossed) both teams will have a bit more material to work with. Some combination of ghosting (it does work very well in Grand Turismo) and time penalties might make the world a better place.
Maybe you guys should share what some of the “variety of ways” to fix wall riding are that you are testing. Allow the community to be part of the solution and it makes a huge difference. As displayed in previous attempts to “fix” things on your own (the developers), you ultimately just create additional “problems” that could have been avoided with a little community input. I imagine a solution with 100’s of input would be a lot better than one schemed by 3-5 people… You don’t have to take our ideas to heart, but at least if we knew we had the opportunity to provide feedback on a solution that we will have to live with… it may make some people just a little bit happier.
And i wonder how long that can really take, in update 4 stream they say they are working on it and it dont come in update 5 but soon after that. In update 5 stream there was “hopefully in update 6”, in update 6 stream there was “and wallriding fix is drop to update 7” and two week after that and PG seems to still have no clue to how to fix that so probably in next stream there will be again in last minute “no, not yet hopefully in update 8”
In all of that time there is not been even single word abaout is there gonna be any other changes, best we have hear " is under discussion" so is fixing wallriding takes months i bet fixing ramming takes years and multiple horizon games.