Well then you’re part of the problem, matey.
Rubbing is racing, as they say, but ramming is not. In any game.
FH2 is a bit more rough-and-tumble than FM games, yes. That being said, torpedoing someone is torpedoing someone, regardless. And yes, if you deliberately take me out repeatedly, and win races by using other racers as brakes/walls/things to ricochet off of, I’ll report ya. Cheerz
Your clearly playing the wrong game, and need to boot up something more Simmy, Horizon is an arcade racer, plain and simple, sim rules go out the window, its people like you who make the report function on XBL totally redundant. It’s like saying if someone hits you on Streetfighter, you’ll report them. People need to man up and stop crying over losing in a game where anything goes. Remember…this is Horizon…the fun Forza, not the serious one.
While I appreciate what you’re saying, if you want clean lines etc, you’re best playing FM series. Or play single player, but even then the AI rams you like crazy, regardless of who Drivatars are, as that’s the way the game is built. Also, you should know by now, the XBL community will do anything to win, in an Arcade racer, where sometimes ramming can pay off, you’re bound to see lots of it. While the ones at the back of the pack are crying over getting rammed, the arcade racers are up front laughing…fight fire with fire if losing upsets you to the point you need to quit out (which you said above is what you do).
This reminds me of the age old debate on Beat Em Ups, where people whined about combo spammers online, then they started combo spamming to counter it, again fight fire with fire, if someone is ramming you all over the place, ram them back!!
The AI on this game can be worse than onliners, I’ve actually seen several AI move in front of me and slam their brakes on lol. I’ve also been boxed in and thrown out using the PIT Manouver several times. After nearly completing all 168 championships, you start to realise that this Forza is not for the faint of heart, at times it can be all out battle on and offline, that…for me at least is what makes it the best Forza yet…
I’m not taking the bait, man. I’ve said my piece.
I do love it when folks log in here and mouth off to the top drivers though. Go beat one of my ghosts, then tell me I’m playing the wrong game.
You are playing the wrong game 
LOL, you’re one of the few who CAN beat my ghosts, Eddie. Unlike this OTHER foo’, you have nothing to prove (to me anyway)
Edit: Word on the street is that you’ve been playing “The Crew”, Eddie. Tsk, NOW who’s playing the wrong damn game?! XD
I’m not mouthing off at all, just giving my opinion, I totally agree with everyone if this was Motorsport series, the fact it’s Horizon makes me feel differently to how it’s played. Once I read your post on people proving themself to you, and you being the best in the world n all…I realised I’m flogging a dead horse…so moving on.
I don’t get why people are so black and white about games - oh its a sim, oh its an arcade racer.
The reality is Forza games, all of them, fall in the middle. The FM games are not as sim as some of the PC sims are and Horizon is not as arcade as NFS, Burnout or The Crew.
Also I don’t get why arcade = let’s crash.
Having said that I won’t be up the back crying about it, the crashers will be at the back calling me a cheater, not be cause I cheat but because when I get angry I get quick.
I do agree that reporting people for crashing is pointless and I am talking here about reporting to MS. I have never seen a single player get XBL PET action for crashing in a racing game and to be honest I am sick of seeing it as a recommended course of action.
Block away if you don’t want them in your game and maybe in FM games report to Turn 10. But reporting to MS is a waste of time.
I guess I agree, it’s no Burnout, and kinda does fall in the middle, I have always defined FM as sim and FH as arcade, just how it feels to me at least, but saying it falls in the middle makes sense.
Arcade = Let’s Crash…I’m an old fashioned gamer, I come from the Old NFS generations, Road Rash, Burnout etc, it’s always been the case for me to play nice in a sim (F1, Forza, etc) and chill out and have fun in Arcade Racers.
Reporting people…some people just don’t understand the gaming generation at all and how thing’s work, the petty reporters have single handedly broken the reputation system on XBL. You report people for game saving, modding, glitching in public games, and abuse of another player, to take time out of your day to report someone cos you lost, or because you don’t like their approach is petty and slightly pathetic, it reminds me of these people who watch TV then take the trouble to contact OFFCOM to complain about what they watched, only to watch it the week after lol.
There’s a difference between jostling for position and making it your mandate to harass people rather than race. I’m wondering which one of those is “chaos mode.”
That’s one thing I’ve noticed about the Forza series. 98% of players have little to no driving skills, they just go from room to room bashing into people they can’t pass or try to pit you to get around you. I’m not the best or the fastest driver but I always race clean and my opinion is that if you have to crash someone to pass them,then you are a poor excuse for a driver.
When dealing with non driving morons in races, try to have the car with the most grip. You’d be surprised how many people think pure power and straight line speed is what wins races but power and speed are worthless if you have to come to a complete stop before a turn. So if your car is set up so that it will hold the curves better than the rest, a car with a lot of down force, then you will drive the wrecker’s insane because while they are spinning and skidding into oblivion, you will just sail trough the turns on your way to 1st place.
That’s the issue here in that, while playing a racing game, so many people (for whatever reason) seem to suspect or want to presume they are playing with and against others who hold the same sorts of ethical values in their videogame experiences. There are no prerequisites - rightfully so - that anyone who plays a racing game have any sorts of skills, comprehension, or desire to uphold some code of conduct - apart from that prescribed in the Xbox Live Terms of Use - because it is, after all, just a game.
You have to remember that many people acquire these kinds of games because they are a good alternative to more mature rated videogames and, try as you will, you cannot convince all of these people that there is a right or wrong way to play the game. Sure, they may gradually gain a sense of community and fair competiveness as they go along; but, for the most part, some of these gamers are coming in with the hypothetical training wheels well attached and no expectation of racing in a way that fits the understood ideas of gentleman and lady racing. As such, no amount of in-game scolding, revenge tactics or bashing on a forum is going to change this.
For these reason I must reiterate a point I have been making for ages, now: Turn 10 and Playground Games give you the tools to host your own private lobbies, by your own rules, with the ability to kick players who choose not to play by those rules. Sure, you have to build up a friends list of likeminded drivers in order to do so, but the result of having to find gamers that share your same racing etiquette is highly rewarding and will yield you positive results for your future of online racing. To that end, I suggest befriending folks of the forums who share the same sentiments being described in this thread, exchange Gamertag follows with those you meet online that demonstrate clean driving and move onto bigger and better private lobbies where the possibilities of sportsmanship are so much greater.
Yeah I understand all that and complaining about it solves nothing because in the end, its up to each driver how they conduct themselves during online play. Just a little rant on my part.
As I looked over your reply I couldn’t help but wonder if the game was designed by the same type of players many of us complain about, since the cars exhibit the same behavior during solo competition as you find in online play. Hmmm…
Join one of the many community challenges and find out
Just got the game yesterday and after after about 5 races of getting ran into, I went back to solo mode because of the constant ramming. I think I’ll stick to solo mode only. The online community is overwhelmingly trash.
You may not be taking any bait but your pleasant demeanor seems to incite anger ! lol
The Crew isn’t that bad,it’s no Forza… but it’s far from terrible 
I have a new hobby now though… ghost ramming !
The Crew seems alright, I don’t like the handling though and it doesn’t look next gen graphically. I think Forza has us spoiled though as it’s a stunning looking game.
LOL, my demeanor is usually pleasant…
Not my finest moment, I’ll admit, but hey, I’m only human. I get angry too. No putting the toothpaste back inna tube…
But for the record, I never claimed to be the “best in the world”, cuz I’m not. There are at least 50 dudes who are better
@ Kazz: sorry to have snapped at ya, but telling someone they’re playing the “wrong game” when said game is one of their favourites might not be a good idea, ya know?
I wasn’t complaining just looking for tips on dealing with the purposeful crashing. I got such a wealth of knowledge and look forward to using what UnwindingEmu24 and all of you’ve said. Thanks again people. I do agree Forza does have us spoiled and other racing games are going to have to step it up.
The one thing that I appreciate the most about the Forza series is that I am not accused of cheating when I win. I got booted from more lobbies than I care to think about in Burnout and my other more arcadey racing games because I managed to finish without crashing, so “obviously” I must have been cheating. Rammers are a persistent problem in every racing game, it is just the way of things. But at least in the Forza community you can meet almost as many friendly, drunk, or otherwise inebriated individuals who will race and compete in a friendly way.
I love Forza Horizon 2 and I can live with the online public lobbies. I have an average frinishing position of second place in online racing regardless of how aggressive the other racers can be. Ramming is annoying but I can usually dodge the less than subtle moves they use.
If you are in front of a rammer, track to the inside of the road before a corner like you are going to cut through the inside of the next corner, and let them settle in behind you. Then right before you get to your sweet spot for braking, tap the brakes and swing wide to the outside of the road, which will line you up perfectly for the corner and the dummy in the rammmobile will sail past you on the inside and have a massive crash with the nearest wall past the corner. This usually gives you enough time to get way out in front where they cannot cause you any more pain.
The Forza series has evolved on its core concepts throughout the last three consoles and five sims, but the rammers have not changed. All the tricks that work to avoid the rammers in the sims will work in Horizon as long as you keep a level head and don’t let the shenanigans get to you.
Another trick to dealing with a pesky player who seems bent on sending you headfirst into the concrete barriers on the roadside is to take the far inside line and get as close to the inside edges of a checkpoint as you can. This method is frowned upon as it looks like you are taking a shortcut but if the person intent on trying to sabotage your race tries to PIT you at the corner he will often times miss the checkpoint and be sent home packing.
One thing I have learned though is that retaliating is not a good idea, especially since Horizon 2 online is tournament based and you cannot kick the players from online roadtrips (as far as I know). Retaliation usually ends up in that original offender and all his buddies ganging up on you. Wear a microphone if you have one, and be vocal when a mistake is made.
In the end, ramming is an annoying part of Horizon 2 but it is manageable with proper driving techniques and blocking players who will not let up.