Quad stars… watch yo’ profanity, lol. I think you’ve misread and/or misunderstood what I said. That, and you seem to be reasonably upset over this. For that reason, I’ll keep the pointing of fingers to a minimum.
First of everything, I explicitly said I do much more offline racing than online. Not zero, as it seems you took it to be. The only online racing I do is the few races/championships for specific Forzathon cars and qualifying for the season. Other than that, I may do some co-op races from freeroam every now and again. I don’t solely race offline, I just enjoy it more than racing next to AWD Lambos driven by inexperienced racers who make a mad dash to turn one (assuming it’s treated as a drag race, except there’s a turn at the end of the straightaway, lol). Then they wreck out. Also, I described the cornering characteristics of the tunes I’ve seen. Would you say that drivatars, a.k.a. AI racers, corner differently? They very well do, but not to the extent which is present in an online race with real people holding a wheel/controller. Drivatars all corner pretty much the same outside of insane classed races where one just happens to have some insane buff or overall grippy car.
While I do agree that there should be restrictions for players’ cars based on PI (which is already set in place), if this were to be put into practice I’d advise not arranging ordering on the starting grid based on drive type. Keep it the way it is simply for the reason aforementioned. I’m not disagreeing with your reasoning behind suggesting this, I’m disagreeing with it being implemented. Why it should be put into place makes sense from a certain perspective. However in the overall picture if drive type restrictions exist, people would find a way to exploit them.
Now, I must say I don’t much appreciate the ability to share tunes. I think that makes it way too easy for much too many people to obtain and use insane tunes. I guess I’m something of an oldhead who thinks everyone should learn how to tune their own cars. Granted, learning how to do so from any source is completely acceptable from my point of view. But just downloading someone’s time-consuming, absolutely ludicrously awesome grip tune more or less defeats the purpose of learning the process so you can do the same with your own cars which don’t have particularly smashing tunes uploaded on the market. However I doubt the tune storefront function will be taken away any time soon, if ever. So for that reason, meh, just keep it the way it is.
The broken balance between Awd and Rwd is mainly due to broken PI. I dont have any hope PG will ever bother to fix PI system So I came up with a solution without touching the PI ratings and can be easily implemented. You might not like my idea thats okay but I havent got any better solution(neither you are).
There is also another way to fix this issue by increasing the initial grip of Rwd cars (Rwd cars in Fh4 has unrealisticly slow launch speeds with any tyre compound with the exception of Drag tyres) but this solutions is way harder to implement.
Now I remember! This is the same one that a few weeks ago was demanding PG either remove A800 winter from ranked or ban Nova FE; I thought the brattitude sounded awfully familiar. This all makes sense now. Hilarious.
Lmao - As a matter of fact, no, I never use it as I tend to avoid leaderboard cars in general for both rivals and online play. I find meta extremely boring, and prefer running unsung heros against friends and when working on rivals, whatever is considered the ‘top’ vehicles for an event are almost always the very last cars I’ll run (with few exceptions).
Anyway, El Barto is right. Isn’t there a bridge somewhere for you to get back under?
Wrong. Trophy trucks, Buggies are mostly Rwd and are extremely good at dealing with offroads in reality. Even some Rwd rally cars dominated their respective classes. Due to physics of Forza Rwd is awfull at offroad and PI system isnt helping a bit.
A gamemode just based on lap times is not competitive. There is no elo rank system in rivals so its not competitive. Simple as that.
Once again you come back with a vehicle, two actually, that are specifically designed for dirt.
AWD was designed for off-road, RWD wasn’t. Simple.
Buggies, Trophy trucks and Rally cars were designed with a specific purpose and are outliers for the purpose of your argument.
Rivals is competitive. It has a leaderboard where people are ranked, there is that word you love so much, based on their fastest lap. Meaning they compete against each other as well as themselves, it just doesn’t take place with everyone on the track at once.
Isn’t that the same concept as racing? Competing for top spot?
Trophy Trucks, Buggies and some rally cars are Rwd. They are designed for offroad and they are extremely good at offroading. I dont know where did you get the idea of “Rwd isnt designed for offroad”.
Opel Manta 400, Lancia Stratos, Ford escort Rs 1600 were Rwd and were very succesful rally cars. They destroyed Awd rally cars in their classes.
With that logic speed zones are competitive too because they have leaderboards. To be competitive there has to be Elo. There is no Elo in rivals. You dont increase your elo by performing better. There is just a leaderboard shows who does the best. Its NOT competitive.
We are not living in the 70s or 80s anymore. There is good reason why the Lancia 037 was the last RWD champion… in the 80s. AWD is superior for loose terrain.
Röhrl, Peterhansel or Loeb will be quite surprised, knowing they wasted their talent and driver career for such non-competitive stuff like WRC, Dakar or Pikes Peak…
The leaderboard is your Elo. You can’t beat the ones above and don’t get beaten by the ones beneath? - congrats, you are ranked correctly.
The rivals event that I particularly recall was the Mini Cooper one at Derwentwater when Zip, you and me were trading best times (still incidentally the best 3 times out of 6,000 on that course). Had we not all being pushing each other, I suspect we’d have probably ended up with a winning time at least a second slower. Certainly felt pretty competitive to me at the time. Sadly, that doesn’t say much for my ELO as I ultimately lost but c’est la vie !
Trophy trucks and buggies are still Rwd today. Rally cars in today are all Awd because of their very strict restrictions. Rally cars in today are almost identical to each other. Before then manufacturers had more freedom and some of them choose Rwd and became succesful with it. Rwd is a great drivetrain for both onroad and offroad.
Lol look at your stupidness of your comparision. In rally you get points after each stage you complete based on the timing. You do better you get more points you perform worse you get less points or nothing. Just like the Elo. In rivals there is no point system. You dont get more points by doing better or lose points for performing worse. Thats the point of elo and competitveness. You need to keep performing well if you want to stay at top. Just like a race irl. Rivals hasnt got those attiributes.
Look at the all other competitive games. From Fps to Rpg. All of them has Elo and thats why its called competitive/ranked. How about you learn a little bit before insisting on wrong information?
I think this is another thread that we and up in conclusion that PI favors cars with chunky rear and narrow front tires, we need to rebalance PI system and races are mostly too short.
From my point of view: AWD is much easier to drive. I’m not even talking about starting from line/out of corner acceleration. It is just more stable.
I’m lately playing a lot in B700 unranked and you can be competetive (even against good players) in non-AWD cars. However, higher the class, AWD is more handy.
Anyway to the point why I was writing anything here.
What do You guys think about inverted grid? Like, in 1st race it is random, but in next races it is sorted by collected points (lowest starting first). Would this work? Would this be better?
Everyone starting from one position is also good option, but lets pretend that we need starting grid
PS. Also please stop being aggressive to each other. At least that is how I read yours posts. In aggressive/mocking voice. LOL
B700 Road is currently the most fun category for me too. Small pool of regulars, so you know your opponents quite well. Aside from the two infamous rammers it’s quite civil and competitive at times.
The regulars don’t use many meta builds which leaves enough room for a lot of options. The unavoidable Daytona from time to time but in most cases not driven by the best players - thus beatable. Not seen a meta-build Sunny/Pulsar yet.
I’m having a lot of fun racing cars that would never see A800 or above like the Ferrari 365 GTB4, Porsche 356s, Cadillac Eldorado or Morris Minor.
Regarding reversed grid order: Probably better than the current RNG system but with only 3-5 races per playlist I don’t know if there is enough room for it to work. Imho no grid at all is still the best and easiest improvement solution.
Didn’t want to come across as aggressive but can’t stand it if people insult others for not sharing the same view. Neither does preferring AWD make you a “kid” or “newbie” nor does preferring RWD make you a “more skilled” driver. Sure, RWD and FWD are more difficult to drive than AWD and I prefer them over AWD because it is more entertaining to me but I wouldn’t look down on AWD users.
It’s not like RWD or FWD require witchcraft to drive, just a little more driving experience and control.
B class road races are not available in ranked and or casual team racing. Only custom Adventure have. Those are dirt racing and Rwd and Fwd sucks in dirt racing.
Rwd powerbuilds require a lot more skill to drive then your regular Awd swapped car tho. Yet, they are still not good enough and not worth the risk.
What do you mean? Me and Rayne was talking about road events. Yes, it is unranked (custom adventure). You don’t have to play ranked to find good opponents/competition.
The reversed grid order would definitely be an improvement on the current random grid order. It’s quite frustrating when you have a close fight with someone, win one each of the first two races, and then find out you have little to no chance of winning the decider because they are starting 1st and you are 12th. If you were starting 11th and 12th, at least it’s a fair fight.
They could just give each drivetrain their own adventures along with what we have already where any are allowed but that would probably be too much to handle for this game.
Though I don’t agree with you Talha I do think the higher leagues in FWD/RWD only adventures wouldn’t feature the exact same bunch of people as now.
FWD + RWD adventures would be a great place to offer D + C class adventures though obviously a certain car would have to be excluded from them.
I think we all know that’s just wishful thinking though.
Came across this beauty regarding Talhaone (posted by Talhaone btw) - Counter-Strike: Global Offensive forum - “Got vac banned because ı cheated on cod bo2 zombies solo play.GG”
So, for someone who is a confessed cheat at games, i don’t think his “experience” counts for much as it cannot be assured that he didn’t cheat to get there.
The other irony is that he claims he wants purity in a game but will cheat when it suits him thus making him a hypocrite.
He also has a propensity for name calling and degrading others who don’t subscribe to his views on other forums, not just this one.
Its on google search if he wishes to say it’s untrue.
So sunshine, in the gaming world, once a cheat, always a cheat. Your opinion is worthless.
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