This is getting a bit silly. Are you and NightDriver seriously suggesting that game turf AWD and only have RWD?
What about all those cars that are AWD stock? Turf them too.
RWD is crap on Dirt and Cross Country so should we get rid of those races too because AWD reigns supreme on them…
Learn how to drive both and you won’t have a problem. If you want to be a purist then may i suggest FM7 which is more attuned to your needs rather than FH4 which is not FM7.
Why not? Awd is already 10 times easier to drive then rwd and fwd. There is literally no need to make it competitive.
Exactly what happens to the stock Rwd cars currently. If you want them competitive you will need to rwd swap them. There is no such rule as Awd cars always has to stay Awd.
Rwd is trash in CC and rally because PI ratings for offroad cars uses the same PI rating for road cars. Rwd cars suffers even more on offroad because of the reduced grip of offroad terrain.
Im going to pretend that you didnt wrote your last sentence.
Yeah, so, …if you’re going to be this arrogant and condescending, where you’re ‘pretending’ to see or not see/acknowledge what someone wrote, you should probably ensure that you’ve got grammar/spelling nailed down…otherwise you just look like a common piece of trash.
Tell me about being arrogant and condescending. That guy literally insulted me as I cant drive. What did you expect? Awd is overpowered in Fh4 is a fact and known by almost everybody. This thread is about fixing Awd opness not about explaining why Awd is op. If he wants to know why, there are dozens of threads explains that.
lol Im a piece of crap because I wrote “wrote” instead of “write”? Okay man whatever you say.
As i remember it sunshine your first comment back to me was that i had “no experience” playing this game.
Telling you to learn to drive both is hardly an insult, more or less it is telling you to use both drivetrains intead of using the one (but if you insist one using RWD against AWD, like bringing a knife to a gunfight, then that is your problem).
Now for the insult.
RWD can blow away AWD cars on certain tracks in Rivals, that means AWD is not as overpowered as you claim. It is also a fact known by everybody who bothers to research and race it.
AWD is NOT OVERPOWERED you IDIOT, it has better grip thus allowing for quicker exits from corners without losing speed (had to reinforce that in case you still didn’t get it).
A RWD build will flog most AWD builds in a straight line due to increased power through LOWER PI which allows more engine upgrades.
How hard is that for you to get through that brain of yours.
YOU started this thread stating RWD and FWD should have a handicap over AWD and be placed at the front of the grid, i disagreed and pointed out why.
Grow the hell up.
Edit: Also if i have certain aspects wrong then i will admit it and move on, i don’t flat out tell others they are plainly wrong and obviously novices.
People who say Rwd is ok is obvious have “no experience”.
Rivals? Who the hell is talking about rivals? Im talking about Ranked races. Awd is king in ranked races. You almost has no chance of winning a ranked race unless you drive the Monaco which is the only good Rwd car in the game.
Awd is overpowered as hell. Cars barely get any PI cost for Awd swapping. Even some cars (Mostly S2 cars) Decrease their PI decreases with Awd swap. Thats why ranked races are flooded with Awd swaps. Its a FACT not an opinion. Someone who denies that must have no experience with the game.
It depends for what. RWD is okay for Rivals, it is okay for Unranked and it is okay pace-wise. It only isn’t for Ranked but that’s more than a simple PI balance issue.
But sure, call me “inexperienced” as well.
There are plenty of RWD builds that can easily counter your point. Ferrari 166MM, Sagaris FE, Ferrari F50, Koenigsegg CC8S, AMC Rebel, Plymouth Cuda and countless others are “good” and more than capable of winning under a pure pace-perspective.
If PI decreases through an AWD swap has absolutely nothing to do with the car class. It mostly has to do with: power/weight/grip ratio, front to rear tire width ratio, engine positioning/weight distribution and the quality of the stock gearbox & clutch. Also cars can take a huge PI cost for AWD swapping - all FWD/RWD power builds for example.
Seems like you have to do your homework first
AWD is the best choice for Ranked because:
the races are short, launching is important (but grid position is even more crucial)
due to the normally slower launch of RWD you have to fight your way through the pack which can cost a lot of time which isn’t there due to the short races.
Ranked tends to be more aggressive and with AWD it’s easier to battle hard because the grip advantage allows it.
completely dry conditions are the minority.
grip problems with RWD out of low-speed turns (like hairpins).
Regarding Ranked I can see the problem but a PI rebalance wouldn’t help that much because then RWD/FWD would be absolutely dominant in Rivals.
Getting rid off the starting grid and simply place each car on the same spot would help the mode a lot more. It would decrease RNG and make it more fair for everyone.
Or you could do it like me and avoid Ranked. In Unranked there is enough room for RWD/FWD builds and it’s mostly possible to battle for the lead with them.
I have done my homework fine. Awd is OP as hell. Only cars that take huge PI costs for Awd swap is Power builds which they are extremely hard to drive without Tcs. Those power builds still sucks on certain tracks even put some rain to it they are just a downgrade to AWD. The only Powerbuilded Rwd car worthwhile using Shelby Monaco and rest dont give you enough lap time bonus for the risk taken by using Rwd. I have used Rwd drivetrain (Both powerbuilds and non powerbuilds) they just dont compete with Awd cars. In ranked races you always start at the back of the pack and have to pass them which is not exactly easy to do. Also Rwd and Fwd is hot garbage in CC and Dirt racing. People should consider those too.
Awd is best choice exactly the reasons you tell which is a problem. Easiest drivetrain to use shouldnt destroy other drivetrains at the same time. And yes rivals should be dominated by Rwd cars. Rwd should always do better lap times then awd due to bad launch. Ranked should be the focused gamemode for balance. The harder to use car=Better the lap times. To be honest All Rwd drivetrains should be buffed to the lvl of Shelby Monaco.
I know PG wont going to touch PI rating which is ok for me but at least Ranked and casual races has to have:
Rwd and Fwd cars will start at first place always.
Give rolling start so Rwd and Fwd wont be affected badly by their bad launch.
With that way Rwd and Fwd will have some buff without touching the rivals. I dont know why anyone disagrees with this.
You are in a very tiny minority to think the issue of AWD is a big problem.
There are a lot of problems in the game which are objectively broken and needing fixing rather than your complaint which is something most would strongly disagree with, and is merely your personal preference which, if implemented, would kill multiplayer’s popularity.
Its not a personal preference. Rwd and Fwd is hot garbage in ranked races. Its a Fact. If you pick a Fwd or Rwd car in Ranked you will handicap yourself.
Uh no. Most of community agrees with Awd being Overpowered, there are dozens of other threads about it. Just because some kids cant drive Rwd cars doesnt means Awd should be the only viable drivetrain.
Nobody has said otherwise. What I’m saying is that I don’t care and nor do the vast majority of players. It is your preference to put so much importance on it.
A vocal minority does not ‘most of the community’ make. Any more than certain political protests in real life, who shout the loudest and act the most disruptive, represent the silent majority either.
It would help you to win people over to your side more if you didn’t use pejoratives like ‘kids’ to describe what are probably middle-aged men who may in fact be highly skilled at the game and drive fast cars in real life too, who are about as far from ‘kids’ as you can imagine.
Which is an important point because several posts later I have still not understood why RWD / FWD even needs to be competetive in every game mode except for the fact that some people are requesting it. I just drive whatever is fastest for the occasion.
I give up, your clearly not all there in the head.
At what point did i say i’m a fan of AWD.
BTW - go to Moorehead Windfarm Circuit and beat the top placed C/B class rivals there in an AWD (doesn’t matter whether it’s ranked or rivals they are all they same tracks stupid) and come back here and tell us all how it was sooooo easy and overpowered.
You will come back looking like the idiot as usual.
I also must say i’m quite amused that you refer to 90 percent of players (some who have been playing for years and are way better ranked than you) as not “experienced” because they too also find RWD “ok”.
Makes sure you read my post several times so you can understand…ok…
" Its a FACT not an opinion." lol!!! In what book, your “i’m a gun driver” book or your “I’m an ace tuner” book? because you certainly are not very good in either book by the sounds of it.
Now i’m going to ignore your crass little posts and go back and do some racing against some very good drivers (none of whom you would know as your not in their class, not by a longshot).
No idea what he wants but what I want is balance. What we have now sucks. It’s just “convert to AWD and run 0/65 ARBs”. How is this any fun? It’s not even a feature at this point, it’s a hidden assist.
I can compete with AWD just fine, but I don’t, because I don’t like it. I only convert cars which make sense to be converted in the first place (Trophy Trucks for example). And I already run AWD on Dirt. The problem is when I must run AWD on dry Road.
Usually the cars which are AWD stock were designed around AWD and their stock physics take the AWD into account. Most of them are very front-heavy and/or understeer a fair deal.
Funnily enough I did run an RWD Funco in a ranked CC event a while ago and didn’t do too badly, but obviously AWD would have been superior.
Looks like another of those posts calling people ‘kids’ for using what works best, rather than handicapping themselves using something that works badly.
You have 53 posts and the majority of them are wanting to nerf cars in some form or another and claiming things are OP.
Before you come here and call people, specifically forum and probably Forza veterans inexperienced, perhaps you should check your own experience and learn to drive the cars or drivetrains you think are OP, or learn to tune so you can be competitive against them.
Just because I have 53 posts doesnt means Im wrong. I always back up my claims with proofs. My posts are mostly about balancing because I care balancing a lot in online games. “Just drive whatever is the best and dont ask” is not my style never will be. If its like you are wasting your time here. Seriously why the hell are you here in the first place? Also My claims are true. Show me one of my claim that is wrong.
Yep another guy telling me to git gud. How about take your time and look at the Rwd/Awd balancing in Forza Motorsport? Awd is Op as hell in this game. Dirt racing and CC? Forget it. Awd is easier to drive on offroad and does better lap times. How the hell is even close to “balanced”? Street racing? Those races are even shorter then road races with traffic. Rwd just sucks there. Dry Road racing is the only place where Rwd can compete with awd but put some rain and snow Awd still dominates there. Yet Rwd is still not good at either on certain tracks.
I’m sure there are numerous others here who have much more time racing than I do, but I have to say I disagree with this suggestion. From all the online races I’ve been in, which is nothing compared to solo races because I mostly play offline, most everyone has AWD tunes, but not just any decent old AWD tune… it’s a 50/50 shot between insane launch/acceleration and/or cornering. The latter combination is very rare from what I’ve seen. That being the case most of the time, I think it should stay the way it is. Keep me at the back in my RWD Ferrari so I can pass the inexperienced racers with AWD Lamborghini’s after they hit a mad launch, then wipe out in turn one and fly off the route. Most of my personal RWD tunes are geared towards cornering, especially those with high power and low weight. Terrible launch in those cases even with low acceleration lock and negative rear toe. But at and over 100mph on asphalt the tires heat up and the aero kicks in. After that, it’s nothing but ripping through corners.
Offline races has nothing to do with ranked. Things dont go the same there. You can beat bots even with the worst car with a crap tune. Go try a ranked with a rwd car and you will understand my point.
