ForzaRC Season 3

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So rumour has it that season 3 will start in april. It also looks like esl will no longee be hosting the event on behalf of t10 which is a big shame imo. I’m very apprehensive to see what comes in April I guess we will soon see. Hopefully it will follow the same format. What we do not want to see is the top16RC where the rest of us have a leaderboard or 2 to play with while the top 16 get to race each week for prizes. Esl did very well to include as many ppl as possible. With out esl can t10 still do this?

What do you guys think and what have u heard. Plenty 0f rumours going about but how true are they?

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I didn’t really like the ESL format. 1v1 ladders are so pointlessly sucky in a racing game - much better to use the TORA/ ORL format whereby qualy would be done by everyone (everyone who made the Rivals cut in this case) in random lobbies and then are sorted into race lobbies based on that qualy, with the fastest lobby being the one they stream/ cast.

But, I don’t underestimate T10’s ability to find some novel way to make it even worse.

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Some new kind of format is needed or it will be the same people racing for the top prizes over and over. I think if they did some sort of team based competition more people would compete as well as really have a chance at winning a prize. I think they can still do the whole rivals qualification thing but instead of the fastest people just rolling over the slowest im 1v1, they are actually teamed up with them. They could do teams of 2 or more and just match them up through the list. I think this would be more entertaining to watch and give some of the non-elites a chance for glory. The focus would be on everyone not just one player, so those battles for lower places will mean more.

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Now that would be interesting. Only issue would be DQs for no shows. That’s a big issue I noticed with the ESL brackets.

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There will always be an issue with something tbh. Im sure sometimes theres legitimate reasons why people dont show up. I kind of think a penalty should be involved if proper notice isnt given, maybe next series you cant join.

Maybe a possible remedy for no shows would be to have X person teams split into two groups. The groups would race at different times of the day or a different day in general. If someone is a no show a teammate from the other group could replace them, but no particular player could be used as an alternate more than once that round.

I just think a team system would be much more enjoyable. Theres many more variables in the outcome with each team consisting of varying degrees of skill levels. Theres also the strategic parts of team based play, where the fastest players need to ensure the slower ones place well. Blocking and drafting will be better used tools then they would be if it wasnt team based.

I dunno, i still dont see people continuing to watch something that will literally 9 times out of 10 have the same outcome. Real sports suffer from things like this as well. Whatever, we’ll see what happens.

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Totally agree. Teams are more fun in a competitive environment. I know in MLG we practiced passing to allow the faster member on that track easier access to run hot laps. We would come up with strategies to prevent the other team from passing us. It was fun and results were in doubt until the very end.

Using registered alternates would fix a lot of issues.

I remember after the 3v3 tourney many people expressing a desire to try it because it looked fun.

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Where are these rumours coming from, got a link?

I’m not calling you out or anything, but personally see no point in speculating in something that mat or may not be true.

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Friend of friend of a freind.

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Personally I think the lb quallly is perfect
The 2 cups perfect
1v1 is pants

I’d like to see things to be the same until the 1v1. Then I’d change it to 16 person races that gets down to top 16 elite and top 16 consolation both streamed 3 race finals.

I’m not bothered that the same 16 will most lickly get through. I just think t10 need to get to the top 16 rather than assume they will be the same each time.

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Assuming no ESL, the logical replacement would be MLG since MLG did a 1v1 and team tourney prior to ESL’s global tourney.

Flat out, I hope they at some point create regional, national, and internationally championships. While not a novel approach for gaming, it would be different for this game. Getting folks cheering for the local guy should bring in fans for the big granddaddy tourney. It could potentially create more stars among the community and game. At the moment there are only a handful of “famous” forza players.

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This! ^ If we could get to the point where the general Forza population (even the ones who don’t go on the forum) is familiar with the likes of the top 150-300 drivers overall and their teams, it would be great news for the Forza community. Because that will likely go hand in hand with:

  1. More people interested in playing Forza at a competitive level, which leads to:
  2. Greater interest/audiences for tournaments. Which then results in:
  3. More money for Turn 10, and possibly much bigger prizes for the winners, as well as more compensation to the rest of the pro drivers to make it worth their while taking part in these tournaments.

There are probably hundreds of thousands of groups of kids on games like Call of Duty trying to be the next FaZe Clan. It’d be lovely to see a lot of new faces work to see if they could become the next CAR or JSR.

T10 could probably even take it one step further and create a hopper that only the top drivers are allowed to join, but any of the Forza players can watch because that’s what they need to see on a regular basis: the very best in the game racing at the same time.

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Yep you got it!

Gotta start small and grow the fandom thereby making many respect the international tourney similar to Halo for example.

With the new Xbox live clans, it’s even easier to spread the message. For example I’m in a clan for those from Louisiana and I think I’m the only forza player in the group. Same story with a marvel club im in. You better believe I will advertise the tourneys I’m in (assuming I sneak in barely at the end lol) and hopefully that will create some interest in the game. Maybe a few people will buy the game/watch the tourney. Multiply my efforts with those of other gamers. Shouldnt be hard to expose thousands of players to what forza offers because let’s face it…not everyone pays attention to xbox live advertisements on home screen.

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Hey guys,

Just wanted to join in as I love open discussions about how to create cool environments for everyone.
But without trying to be “the bad boy” let me just quickly add: creating a competitive environment/league/system is a bit harder then just “a cool idea”.

As soon as you do this on a big level you run into problems with those ideas, most of the time these problems are based on:

  • structure
  • laws and regulations
  • fairness
  • time commitment for players
  • man-power

Someone mentioned they like the TORA/ORL style more (which means they like races instead of 1v1) and I would say most people think like that. Me too :slight_smile:
That´s something everyone wants to create but the question now is “why didn´t it happen in season 1 / 2?”

It´s pretty simple. Imagine that system and now scale that up to the potential numbers of participants you might face (for example 10k, since we reached that in those seasons).
There you have your first problem. Their system works until a specified amount of players, and then it get´s out of hands (scheduling, time wise, time commitment, men power etc.)
That´s why it wasn´t “just used” (as I know, often things sound more simple then they are).

TORA and ORL, all those leagues are doing a great job and I love their content. But keep in mind not everything works in every scale, system, structure or is even ok with law and regulations (or tournament licences etc etc.)

But let´s not dive too deep into all that, instead looking at " I don´t want to see the same guys".

Yep true, but actually that´s how sports work and thats what most people want to see, the best guys (and let´s be honest, the ForzaRC nearly achieved that).
But of course there should be more content and more fun for everyone else because not all of us can be Top16 (me included haha).
So someone said there needs to be more prizes for the players not in top 16. While Recreational series etc. was a good way to give something to more people who won´t be in the broadcasts, you need to see the problem here. If it´s not about “being good in the game” how to determien prizes then? Just give them out to anyone? randomly? or what? That´s not rly cool and thats not what motivates people to compete :slight_smile: as racing is always about winning.

About regional/nation/international:
Thats always a cool thing but to pull off something like that, you need the community to support it AND the playernumbers to get it done.
Right now, competitive forza wouldn´t be on a level to do that “completly” (but hey, maybe in the future? who knows what happens in season 3).
But once again, think about how it would really turn out → Laige has 7 french titles in a row. Would this system change the top16? I highly doubt that.

So you see, while formats should definately improve and evolve over time, there is more to it then just “do it like that, it´s way better” as you need to check a lot of things and consider different opinions, mindsets, players etc.

I don´t want to say it can´t be improved (pretty sure T10 will do that) and I think giving feedback about how you guys feel during ForzaRC is exactly what they need, so thats great. I just want to give a bit more detail and things that should be considered before blaming either a format, a company, people, players or who ever we want to blame in that moment :wink:

See you on the track!

René “GRunner”

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That was me, but I didn’t suggest running a TORA-style league for the tens of thousands of players who entered, just replacing the 1v1s section, which was only ever the top 128 from the Rivals qualifier.

TORA and ORL deal with not far off that number several times per week with only volunteers to organise it. For 128 players in lobbies of 16 you’d need 8 people to run an evening. That’s hardly a scary prospect, and given the absolute shambles that the 1v1s were in S1 and S2, it could hardly be worse from a marshalling point of view.

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I can see how 400 x 20 ppl races would actually be really hard to arrange but 8 x 16 ppl races which is 128 ppl wouldn’t be that hard to handle and I’m sure it could easily be hosted by its players until the final 16. The key here is a really good webite that can display all the infomation clearly.

I never knew about licensing I would encourage t10 to give more information on this so that everyone can better understand the limitations.

And thanks to grunner for very detailed explanation of how things work

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Hey Tyskie,

8 x 16 is more realistic yes, but keep in mind you need marshals, a fair system, decisions need to be in a specific timeframe so you wwon´t have big delays and all that stuff.
It is possible, but it needs a bit more to do that :slight_smile: You also need to consider the different players. For example, the ones running in ORL ,all of them know each other and everyone knows what to do. With a global competition, you will have many players that are “disconnected” from the community, forums, info-flow etc. (clearly visible even in simple 1v1 setups). So it´s way harder to get that done without problems then with your usual 40 guys that you race with every saturday.

There is a difference between a “private” tournament/league and something global. There are even laws that touch some of the modi ingame (if it´s considered fair etc.) which can have an impact on how you are able to run something “officially”.

All of that results in longer times for championships to improve and evolve

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Hey Zedeeyen,

Unfortunately, there is a difference between how they can judge their events and how an official MS/T10 has to be judged (also dictating man-power with that).
But as I answered to Tyskie already, it is not unrealistic, that´s right :slight_smile: and we all hope it will look like that.

But I can´t rly agree on the “shambles in 1v1” here. As I saw nearly 99% of all the Tickets that have been opened during the Cups (about whatever topic), they have been handled correctly and super fast. And there haven´t been much issues regarding on track behaviour :slight_smile:

That´s a bit like what someone else described in the “corner cutting” topic:
There is a huge difference between what is really happening/or happened, and what the impression was for some. For example, some topics get raised (let´s say on reddit) and then they just grow without any real problem/content or true facts. The same happens in a lot of such situations :slight_smile:

Just to give you an example about how things “start to get worse” without any meaning: I had someone complaining in public about never getting his DLC prize even after messaging our team by mail/support ticket.
I saw it, contacted him right away and offered my help to solve that. 10 minutes later he got back to me apologizing (in private messages) since he just realized that he never sent that mail to claim it, nor saw the topic in the forum where people said already that you can contact me in case you never recieved your DLC. But the result is, people see his tweets and say “ahh look at that, what a nightmare, they scammed him”, while his message that he “mailed them and never got a response!” was just not true. A simple to solve problem :slight_smile:

I don´t want to say there are no problems or it was perfect, I just try to put some light on how such things “feel” sometimes, while it´s not the real status.

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I think the same thing happened when I tried to help lee v karlito. I thought I was helping but it all got blown out of proportion. In the end the real issue was lees connection and the time lee had to protest which I belive was extended but not enough.

I personally think sites like esl are the future for esports on fm. No other site offers the wealth of information you can obtain from esl. You can register your teams, find matches and compare against freind’s. The only thing missing are the lb’s and custom lb’s. The only reason the likes or orl and tora havnt done this already is the cost. A site like this will cost in excess of £10000. I also think esl are in a much better position to create a fair game rather than a replica race series. Orl and tora are very good at creating replica and realistic events but esl understand gaming and have more experince in gaming. We need a good combination of them both imo

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if I were you lot, just be greatful because a reality unexplored is no one might run a Forza competition in the future.