You have that right at least. It’s true they aren’t locked behind the crates. They’re locked behind the specialty dealer or events. None of which are enumerated either, and it’s implied they’re locked behind the crates based on the description. Just one more way the game is a mess. I’m in agreement with the OP on that.
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Okay allow me please I’ll explain…: First remember the game is for everyone… Not just you.
- Car Prices have been increased to encourage you to play Career mode
2). In career mode you get 400K discount on cars every level which actually give you many many cars FREE or less than they were in previous games - Mod’s in FM7 have been adjusted to remove the performance AIDS (GREAT MOVE T10) and only encourage players to try different driving difficulties… Like Cockpit, Full Damage, stay on track, Perfect & Good Passes, no ABS, etc… This is a way to subconsciously push wreckers and kids into better racers playing the game, racing as its meant to be!!!
- Allows you to earn more Credits/XP to offset the grinding… All while teaching Game pad players to use cockpit, longer races, good driving habits while going fast.
I could go on but I’m tired and I think yu get the point… I like the options fr longer races, I like the Mod’s rewarding me with 2X credits cause I race in Cockpit view always anyway, no assist and clean racing!
Enjoy… The game as its been designed and you live longer and be less angry
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Well, I’m not aware of anyone angry here. I was just pointing out the loot crates have no business in a full retail game, nor a racing game, especially FM7 a full retail and racing game. Your explanation, or justification seems terribly weak I’m afraid. It seems to me that Turn10 is bent on making what was permanent in earlier FM titles, consumable now and picked up through this ridiculous system. This is evident in the VIP debacle, the removal of the rewards from turning off assists, and the push towards loot crate opening as a mechanic in this game.
The only thing I can agree with you on, in terms of your assessment, is that the removal of actual aids from the mods is a good thing.
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When was the last time you properly powered off your XBOne, OP?
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This, I believe, has the ability to resolve many issues. I always turn my console off completely after sessions. Haven’t gotten a single crash. RAM needs its daily maintenance. 
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Truth. That’s all I want is to be able to make my own championship.
-k
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I don’t think the problem is with the loot crates per se, but how they are handled. Cars are random drops now for quite a few whereas before you could buy them if you had the cash. To get some of them you need to unlock crates and hope you get lucky. Whilst previous Forza editions had the ability to purchase vehicles with real money, they were always available ingame to buy in which ever order you chose. This new way adds a gambling element which was not present in the past. The increased sums of money necessary for even a common car, seems to at least suggest the developers are steering players to try their luck with the ingame gambling mechanic. Now in the past there have been unicorn cars, but these were not available to buy. I think the boxes would have gone over much better if all cars had been available to purchase, but you could get them through the boxes as well. This would be similar to the spin system in 6. Couple this with the de-emphasis on multiplayer and rivals and I think fans are upset that a game which in the past has been about playing “your way” is now about playing their way and ‘their way’ seems to be very similar to free-to-play models which are less onerous when you don’t shell out $60-$100.
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My only issue with the Prize Crates is the ‘Prize’ part. Prizes are won, these things are bought, so the name itself is retarded.
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Any real or perceived gameplay benefits of loot boxes could have simply been put in the game to begin with - no loot box necessary.
They only exist to get another $ from the player while providing nothing in return. They lock the content behind a playwall and then offer to sell you key - to a lock they put in the game for no other pupose than to sell keys for - but I guess that is ok since you dont haaaaaaaavvvve to buy it.
Lootboxes serve no gameplay purpose at all, none, they dont deserve to be in any game you paid for.
The only thing you are buying with tokens is your own spare time back.
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They steer you toward playing more career mode and using more unique cars, well the mechanic of cars being more expensive and easier to gain by getting them as level rewards. I rarely buy them.
-k
I don’t blindly defend anything religiously. There’s things in the game I’d personally tweak, but they’re personal preference issues. I’d like to see Drivatar skill level be more consistent. However, loot crates aren’t a valid complaint. It’s a fake issue fabricated for the sake of having something to cry about.
“Oh, but they want to charge real money for them!”
So? If someone wants to throw some extra cash Turn 10’s way, that’s purely optional and their choice. It doesn’t hurt anyone. You don’t have to get them. You’re not disadvantaged by not getting them. They’re purchasable with CR, so it really is a non-issue. It won’t ever matter if it can also be bought with cash. That hurts nobody and helps keep Turn 10 in business.
“But unlocks…”
Lots of games have things become available as you play more rather than getting everything up front. Even rare stuff is actually common in gaming. How many MMOs have rare or legendary drops? It’s dumb luck if I get one. You’re fine with that, though, but it’s a problem for you here.
Give me a break.
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It seems many want T10 to invest big dollars then hold a grudge if they want to turn a few bucks out. More worried about them fixing the bugs, get the game stable to add more enjoyment. I am at tier 17 for car collection, 203 cars purchased/gifted a few el-cheapo varieties and those ones in up level offer with the discount. I wouldn’t have spent much more than 500’000 - 700’000 CR on those crates mainly just to check them out so the tier 17 has mainly come from them throwing cars at me in the champs series. I reckon you could play this game for 2 years and not spend another cent over and above the original purchase price if you went Ultimate or very little with Deluxe if you choose not to do so. If they put out something that I want then I will buy it.
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Personally I’ve been actually enjoying Forza 7 for what it is, that said, it is a bit of a mess compared to other releases. There is a lot of issues with this release, the bugs, and the loot boxes stand out. They have gone on record saying they will be adding microtransactions, and paying out real money for a chance to get something, but you dont know what it is, sucks. And if you dont get what you want, hey its okay, pay more and try to get lucky again. Practices like this have no business in a full, AAA release title.
The amount of bugs is a bit out of hand, and some of the features are well… Lacking, things like the paint booth, the addition of only one new track etc.
That said, having looked at the game for what it is right now, I’ve been having a fair bit of fun with it. It is a motorsport game afterall, it has imo a great car list and it can be quite entertaining.
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And why did you say PC and AC are games where every single item has a Cr. value attached and is only available by purchasing?
That’s just wrong, as you just said yourself.
What you describe is FM, until FM7.
FM7 has lots of progression and career. The problem is that even the progression through career doesn’t not help you getting access to all the cars.
That is not fun, but just plain wrong for such a game.
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I never said they specifically had that. Only that a system like that is boring and if a boring racer is what you all are after then those are two very viable options.
Here’s the thing. You are saying it’s a problem that progressing through career doesn’t allow you access to all cars and that’s been the case up through FM6. That’s simply not the case. With the exception of FM5 and H2(and I could be wrong about those 2) there has been limited availability cars since FM2. People complained. T10 listed by giving people not only the chance to acquire these cars by whatever unique circumstances they create but also have them available through the Special Dealer and Loot Boxes.
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Anyway…
Have fun with all the excitement in FM7 system.
But it has nothing to do with what the game was supposed to be about - cars. Not gambling and MMO stuff.
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This thread, and so many others is a lot of fuss over nothing.
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I’ll say this, when they introduced tokens, i said they’ll bring in prize crates next. everyone laughed at me. Now we’re here, those same people are defending prize crates.
This rubbish about player choice is just that, rubbish. Loot crates appeal to addictive personalities, and gaming circles abound with addictive personalities.
You can defend them all you like, cos you know, you don’t have to pay for them… Well that’ll be the next thing to happen, loads of content locked behind loot crates you HAVE to pay for.
Once they’re in, it’s a slippery slope…
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Then they will use social game techniques.
“Ferrari LaFerrari Aperta which can get only the top 1% of the official rival!”
“Clear the Forzathon within the time period and collect blueprints and make Mazda RX-7 Spirit R!”
“2012 Shelby 1000! Acquire with diamonds you can buy with real money! 100 diamonds! 100 dollars!”
“Fifteen 52 rim available with only a real money crate!”
“This week’s new car is 2017 Volkswagen Golf GTI TCR! 1% chance from real money crate!”
Unicorn and the revival of car unlocking system, They don’t look back on their past remarks.
“We are not going to sell crate with real money” It is not worth to believe this word.
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This is just straight up fiction and you know it. No car has ever been held up behind real money prize crates. Forzathon is always free and almost always easy.
-k
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