just wondering if theres any reason all the Aussie and British Fords say they are American and have American Flags as county of origin?
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Henry Ford (USA) ?
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That shouldnt be the reason tho…Realisticly Holden is just the same, General Motors Holden is owned by GMC and pretty much all Holdens use Chev or Buick engines.
If the car is deigned and built in Australia and only avaliable in Australia then its an Aussie Car.
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As long as you’re not trying to do the Forzathon using an American car purely on principal you’ll be fine. Btw, Nissan have a huge car plant in Sunderland UK but no-one will ever call Nissan British 
But Nissan dont design build and make any models in the UK for Uk only,…so not really the same.
You can buy a re badged Holden Monaro in the US its called a Pontiac GTO and in the uk the do the same but its a Vauxhall Monaro.
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You couldn’t even imagine the complaints there would have been if Ford had an Aussie flag or Holden had a USA flag. I think it was done for simplicity.
Incidentally is the RS2000 under a USA flag because as you know, everyone in the UK classes it as a British car, including me, same for the Cortina
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The MK1 and Mk2 Escort, Lotus Cortina, Sierra Cosworth RS500, Escort Cosworth, Focus, Fiesta, Formula Ford, RS 200 and the Capri should all say British and proudly fly The Union Jack…but their not and they dont…its not right imo.
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Holden is owned by GMC, dont build engines that are aussie designed they use Chev blocks…and yes i know Ford used american Windsor and Cleveland engines in most falcons but at least we did design and build engines here in Australia under Australian conditions for Australia only…like the 250 xFlow and Barra/Barra Turbo 6 cylinder Engines which are both known as being amazing strong and highly modifiable and are ranked amongst the best straight 6’s in the world.
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Holden made their own engines up until 1999. GM put an end to that just like they put an end to locally produced cars.
Yes they produced and built engines in Australia but they are not Aussie designed, Ford is guilty of this also cause the 302 and 351 are American engines but as i said above "Holden dont build engines that are aussie designed they use Chev blocks and yes i know Ford used american Windsor and Cleveland engines in most falcons but at least we did design and build engines here in Australia under Australian conditions for Australia only…like the 250 xFlow and Barra/Barra Turbo 6 cylinder Engines which are both known as being amazing strong and highly modifiable and are ranked amongst the best straight 6’s in the world ". The Holden 253 engine was designed as a copy of the American made Chevrolet 283ci with a smaller cubic inch, and original 253 castings where produced in Saginaw Michigan and then machined by Chevrolet and then sent to Australia. It was six months before machined parts arrived and it was not until October 1966 that the first engine built with American parts and based on an American engine was fired up. And as a holden fan im sure you know that the 308 engine is just a bored out 253 engine.
I just want the Fords done right with American Fords under the stars n stripes, British Fords under the Union Jack and Australian Fords under Mini Jack and Southern Cross…I know its only a few Falcons for us Aussie Falcon lovers but if Holden gets the Flag then Ford Australia should be represented correctly and be given recognition for its amazing history in Aussie Motorsport
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it’s a licencing thing and has been discussed numerous times over the years
have a look in fm6 and fh3 as well
ALL Fords are classified as US
that’s the way it is and wont change, no point arguing about it, we know they are Aussie in reality but not in Forza
surprised it’s been 4 months before this was brought up again
As an Aussie who is an Australian Ford Fan it just annoys me…Ive played all the forza games and i know there under USA in F6 and FH3 it annoyed the crap outa me in them also. I dont spend alot of time on the forums and im not the kinda person to go searching thru pages and pages for past conversations about the subject so well done for your 4 months ago comment mate. Its just something that puzzles me since The Ford Motor Company has Merchandise and licencing in Australia to produce their own products here that reference the Falcon being Australian with Aussie flags on the merch …you can buy stuff at every V8 supercars race and in many many stores here…but it still cant be changed in Forza.
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I fully agree with you also as an Aussie Ford fan but that’s the way it is in Forza
Did you not read the bit about licencing
Ford being a US owned company would have set those rules
If anything it’s laziness and keeping things simple on their part…Ford that is
Most manufacturers have plants dotted around the world and for years they all use the corporate parts bin for floor pans, drive trains and running gear. It would be almost impossible to list country of origin for so many cars. In fact, the number of cars using other manufacturers parts is massive. I guess county of ownership is not only preferred by the manufacturers, its a darn site easier and less political.
I seem to remember in an interview with one of the T10 devs a while back that he said that the decisions on branding cars in the games were up to the manufacturers … it is part of the licensing deals and T10 doesn’t have any say in the matter. If that’s truly the case, Ford can brand the Falcons as “North Pole” Falcons if they wanted to.
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General Motors Holden was an American owned company so wouldnt that apply to them also Talby71? It just seems odd that GMC would allow it but Ford didnt, you would think they would want to
represent its actual country of origin…strange choice by Ford if it is up to them.
And thats what i thought also Wildcat…if its up to manufacturers then they could say its from wherever they like…it just sucks they didnt choose to give Ford Australia any recognition…or Lotus, Cosworth and Tickford which are all British.
yeh true but that would have been up to them and GM own a lot of smaller car Brands too that still operate under their own name , whereas Ford is just Ford, could be the difference, maybe Ford is just lazy and didn’t want to separate them individually
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I don’t think location of the home corporate HQ is a good way to assign nationality here. Because by that logic Dodge, Chrysler, Jeep, Fiat, Alfa Romeo, Lancia, and Maserati are all British; Lotus and Volvo are Chinese; and Lamborghini is German.
The flag next to the car should have more relation to cultural ownership than location of corporate HQ. So Holdens and certain Ford models should absolutely be Australian, and certain Ford models should be British.
IMHO
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IIRC after 1970 or so there was no such thing as a “British Ford” anymore… Ford Germany and Ford Britain were brought together into one company and some cars would be developed in Britain while others would be developed in Germany…
Everything else you say is true but the way I see it in the game is this:
Holden is an Australian company that is a subsidiary of General Motors (like Vauxhall in Britain).
Ford Australia is the Australian arm of an American company.
So all Fords ended up classified as American cars…
If Lexus was in the game, you’d see them as Japanese even though the Lexus brand itself has very little presence in Japan to my knowledge. Lexus is dedicated to the American market first and foremost.
And I was not able to use Acura vehicles in Japanese-only tournaments in Horizon 3 because they were treated as American despite being pretty much just badge-engineered versions of Japanese cars.
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