FH3 ISNT A RACING GAME?

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So recently I put up a looking for group post asking if anyone races anymore as all I see are drifting, drag and role play lobby’s, then someone messaged me saying that if I want to race I should go back to Motorsport, he then also told me that horizon isn’t a racing game and that it was designed specifically for cops and robbers, cruises and all the other let’s say mini game modes that players have created after the game was released.

Now I’m sure that horizon was marketed and sold as an arcade racing game?

Why do so many people hate racing on horizon though? Even if you manage to find people to race as soon as they realise they aren’t going to l win they leave.

Also I know I’m going to get the obligatory “why don’t you go into online adventure” well I can think of many reasons but here’s 2 that will answer it quite well.

  1. The rammers!!! Every adventure is just full of rammers and corner bombers constantly and the fact that you can win 4 races in a row and then still lose?! I seriously hope the brain dead moron that come up with the idea of it being XP based has been sacked from his job and fired out of a cannon into a wall.

  2. Collisions off adventure? Sounds good on the outside until you realise that its either really really fast competitive racers or just wall riders, I have no problem with racing fast racers but the wall riders and the people who sit at the back drifting have also ruined this as well.

I’m seriously losing my motivation to play this game and any forza in general as they all seem to have the same problems, no penalties or punishments for rammers and wall riders and I hate to say it but the forza community is turning very toxic, kinda like the call of duty community.
Now I will say that all bar a few people on the forums the community on the forums is good and positive but the community on the game is terrible, just full of obnoxiously loud people and kids telling me there going to kill/rape family members and various other insults?

Turn 10 and Playground games do you even have an answer for all the [Mod Edit - Abbreviated profanity, profanity and profanity that is disguised but still alludes to the words are not permitted - D] that happens in your game or are you just gonna brush it under the rug and pretend it’s not there like every other problem that been in every single game you guys make?

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tbf im not convinced that forza motorsport primarily is either anymore

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Its a Driving Game.

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It’s actually an open world racing game.

Don’t just come in here and say stuff without some form of fact behind what you say.

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Because online races are demolition derbies where it’s more important to make the opponent miss a checkpoint than to race fairly. And no-collision “races” aren’t racing, of course.

In Online Adventure you don’t win by being the fastest either, but by earning the most XP. All this cry about AWD rockets being OP is kinda funny considering you can build an RWD drift machine and win without being the fastest… Drifting takes as much skill as racing.

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NightDriver7800 I can’t tell if you agree with what I said or disagree?

If no collisions racing isn’t racing then what is it?

I know you don’t win by being the fastest and I clearly stated that when I said that you can win 4 races in a row but still lose to some ball bag drifting in the back.

Also I do both drifting and racing and I can tell you 100% that being a competent and fast racer is a lot harder than drifting on this game, to drift all you need to do is put a 1000hp in your car and that’s it, you don’t even have to tune! I got over 100,000 points on multiple drift zones in cars where I have just upgraded the engine so to say drifting takes as much skill as racing is just silly… Yes this may be true in other games and real life but this is horizon.

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Indeed. Not only can AWD cars/swaps be built and refined to allow players who’d end up in a utility pole in real life to look like Ken Gushi, the standards of what is considered a drift in this game are laughably low. Players can step the back end out with throttle misapplication or even spin out altogether, yet they’ll often be credited with having ‘performed a drift’ so long as their skid isn’t broken up by another car or a fixed object.

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Drifting is easy in this game, but some of the AWD grip builds I’ve seen make this game feel like Need for Speed or something… Zero wheelspin, just floor it and it goes. I question how difficult it is to be fast when the cars can be made to be extremely predictable. S2 class is a whole different animal of course.

Then again Horizon is supposed to be more forgiving than Motorsport, which means the grip loss is a lot more progressive, which has the biggest impact on drifting. A drifting performance itself is not just breaking the rear, the game might count that as drifting but to maintain long chains and avoid incoming traffic as well as get the better angles you do require more skill than the average person. Just take a look here in the forums, quite a few people dread the drift challenges in Forzathons because they genuinely find them difficult. The fact you’re good at it does not mean you’re the average player.

As for NoCol not being actual racing, well quite a big part of racing is what they call racecraft, which involves strategy, which involves being able to maneuver around other cars from time to time. I’d say it’s far bigger than just being fast. NoCol takes that away and all that’s left is setting record lap times, not unlike a proper time trial. We have Rivals mode for that.

Nevertheless I’m not against NoCol in Horizon simply because it’s better to race without damage and without risk of getting rammed by some idiot.

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The winner is still the person who crosses the finish line first.

Ignore the xp score if you are a racer.

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Even the mods here said the same. The problem is many others don’t treat it same way when XP leaderboard being displayed the current way(aka intrusive manner) plus XP winner wins most, leading to eventually more players not racing and ruining races in collision-on.

As for no-collision racing there’s always the S1s to trash most on forum who thinks they’re competent. Still it’d never be my cup of tea as it’s no different to me as 93% time attack driving or 93% time attack driving with few-cars-length disadvantage depending on your starting position.

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Exactly. Even though player achievement metrics do not track ‘XP Championships Won,’ the prevalence of XP in online championships has made it the chief determinant of wrongdoing in disputes between players even though the true cause is that XP chain-centric driving often impedes good racing etiquette. Anyone with half a clue about racing understands that drifting across the entire useable line of a corner 30 mph slower than the following car is risking a crash, but people not only do it, they dare to get salty when they are hit by others who took the corner more efficiently and were too committed to slow or evade.

Before someone chimes in with it, yes, I know that precision driving feats generally yield more XP than drifting or wreckage feats. However, it’s hard to perform or retain chains of those when an increasing number of players are driving erratically or when you’ve already obtained the lead.

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Maybe you should look for a racing club.

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First off, I absolutely love Horizon 3 and in fact enjoy the Horizon series more than the Motorsports series.

I do however prefer the concept of Horizon 1 overall, mostly because there was much less emphasis on races than in Horizon 3. The campaign portion of Horizon 3 got a bit tedious for me after awhile. I much prefer the stunts, finds, etc. The 1000 Club was my most favorite part of Horizon 1 in that you had to do things in each and every car to achieve the max points. And, while not really part of the game, I very much loved the weekly scavenger hunts that appeared somewhat after the release of the game.

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Coming from spending a lot of time in rivals, and having endured the single player career against the woeful drivatars, I just prefer non-contact. I can race without interference and the only thing I have to worry about is my own driving. If there was no non-contact option I simply wouldn’t play public multiplayer, easy as that. It’s frustrating enough racing with full contact against rubberbanding AI that actually tries to ram you off the road, let alone kids and manchildren obsessed with winning at any cost who will put you in a ditch to gain one position. No thank you. Add the fact that there are absolutely no physical penalties for anything except missing a checkpoint, and it’s just asking to be trolled. And best of all, I don’t have to worry about starting WW3 because I had a lapse in concentration or made a mistake and bumped into someone.

I avoided playing Forza multiplayer like the plague for years, thanks to the most vitriolic reaction to an innocent mistake I’ve ever seen in FM4, utterly disgraceful. I’m not one to get easily flustered by idiots, but that guy damn near ruined that game for me and that’s an experience that has made a huge impact on how I deal with public multiplayer sessions, not just in Forza. A decent portion of any online community on any game is cancer, Forza is absolutely no exception. Most people can’t be trusted to behave a certain way, but they can be expected to act in the most anti-social ways possible. Non-contact is levelling the playing field, you all have the same advantage, which leaves the most pure ingredient ripe for harvesting. Real, balls to the wall racing. It’s not always 110%, but it seems to be where the heavy hitters in rivals mode go to battle it out, and that’s what attracted me to it in the first place. A challenge. No griefing, not even the option to grief. Bring your favourite and/or fastest cars and race, that’s it. Or just hang back and drift… whatever, who cares.

And guess what, it doesn’t matter if you win or lose. Everyone gets money and xp at the end. Who cares if the guy sitting back drifting wins the series, everyone in that lobby knows who won the races, and most people are going to be too involved in a battle to care who wins. The similarities between rivals mode and non-contact adventure mode end as soon as the race starts. It’s not just you racing against predictable ghosts. It’s you against real people who are actually racing against YOU, you just can’t crash into each other… that’s all. Some props will ghost but it’s hardly enough to call it super easy peasy mode, especially not when the pace is edging into top 10 territory. I’m not here to brag, I’m here to sell you on the best racing there is in this game right now, IMO. At this point there are so many cars, so many good tunes out there, there’s really no excuses for not at least giving it a shot.

We are there every day. You wanna race? Come join us. I saw you there the other day Rezoak, come on man. Hardly ever see wallriders, and the ones that do it don’t usually hang around long. Don’t get put off by a bunch of dumb kids. I finally found the most hardcore (and friendly too… yes I’m serious :joy:) racing lobbies with no griefing, and I see people hating on it because we are “too fast”… smh.

This isn’t an angry rant, I promise, it’s just once I get started it’s hard to stop :joy:. Freeroam racing is good with friends if you want to just chill and faff about, but Adventure mode seems to be the best for racing just because it’s relatively fast paced, good selection of races, just make sure you choose custom non-contact with RACING ONLY for the best racing. It’s full on sometimes but it’s worth it if that’s what you’re looking for.

See you on the track? :wink:

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This is one of the better posts I have read on this forum. Thank you. I am going to give NonContact a shot. I am one of the people who can win either way. It’s more fun to go fast, however.

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It’s not any easier, I mean, it’s still decided by whoever is fastest and the top guys do it more frequently, so it might as well be harder, it’s just not my cup of tea. :smiley:

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I know I can go into no collisions adventure and race but my main issue is the wall riders and the ones who sit at the back and drift, some people might not care weather they actually win the championship but when you put in effort to actually race and come first to then have your rightfully first place stolen from you because of some little **** in the back drifting.

I just wish it wasn’t XP based, it was such a bad decision on T10’s part to include it, I haven’t seen a single person say that it being based off of XP is a good thing, I guess forza feels sorry for the slower guys/ kids and wanted them to feel like they achieved something which I’m all for its just that they did it in the wrong way, they messed it up for the players that actually race and the gamers that repeatedly come back to the series with this stupid XP based championships.

I know it seems like I only notice the bad in the game but that’s simply not true, there’s so many things that are amazing in this game but there’s just too many things wrong that realistically could be easily fixed and/or shouldn’t have been in the game to begin with.

I could easily list 15+ bad things about the game but I’m not going to as it’s quite clear that T10 and PG do not care about the real issues and would rather make shit expansions and release things that have never been asked for.

Mostly I just wanted to find people to consistently race with as in adventure nobody uses a mic and it’s a kinda lonely place.

If anyone would like to do some good old fashion wheel to wheel racing msg me on Xbox, GT is the same as on here, I’m on nearly every night and I’m always down to race.

xxJ0n4Th0Nxx add me on xbox, I’ll 100% come do some racing.

Sorry if any of what I said doesnt make sense or its spelled wrong I’m very tieed.

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You obviously don’t read the forum (here and other places) that much or you only read and notice the things you wish, because there are many people, who find the XP system very good (myself included). The XP system is the only way do deal with crazy people online, who can’t drive, have no abilty to drive that particular car or are just being an arse. You want to win? Drive clean and fast and you have no problem winning the championship. Yeah, you can even beat that mysterious drifter, who I have never seen, but everyone, who complains about the XP system, are talking about, on the last place DNF-ing races and winning championships (it was an issue, when the HE cars worked in online too, but this mistake was nullified quite fast by T10/PG).

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I read other way round (complaints) way more often.

And no, no matter how skilled/godly u are at clean grip driving u can’t beat a semi/full-on amatuer drifter in xp as long as they managed to not crash. As a result even less players are racing properly thus causing even more chaos in collision on lobbies.

I’ve also met plenty from the worst mankind who just don’t care anything except ramming crap out of every1 in vision.

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People tend to complain more than praise (I mean they are more vocal about something they don’t like than about something that is OK). It is just human nature. As long as there is rammers, the XP system (and clean racing bonus) should remain intact (unless T10 implements some better method to deal with them).

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