First post here. Purchase Forza Horizon 3 in December and love it to death, I have played driving games since about 2006. Was active on online racing leagues for years. What I find amusing, if not outright maddening sometimes, is when I race online most drivers don’t even know when or how to brake. They use the retaining walls to slow down. I have been literally destroyed and turned around or pushed out of the gate. I take it with a grain of salt, because though I might only place between 3rd place to 6th place in individual races, I usually am in 1st or 2nd come the end.
I have been with about 8 drivers once where we all braked for corners and passed clean. It was a amazing probably 10 minutes or so. Just my 2 cents worth.
In Horizon it doesn’t really bother me much. I expect it. It’s in the main Motorsport game that it bothers me. There are ghost (no collision) modes that allow for clean racing head to head. But it’s not the same as racing it’s more like a real time rivals.
There are quite a few clean racers and usually if fast you can meet and race some like minded persons who enjoy racing. Apologize for mishaps; etc. by getting ahead of the melee where the real racing can happen.
The way the online is set up in FH3 I don’t really think it promotes clean with the exception of the clean racing xp. Making person miss using me for brakes is half the fun. I expect it.
I Block/ report and move on in forza motorsports though. On a race track it’s not acceptable to me.
True true. This game is great fun but it plays more like Outrun than FM6. On the track things should be clean but aren’t. Let’s hope they buckle down in that next time. Most of my FM6 lobbies have the same pattern. I get crashed out by cutters and wreckers and end up at mid table. During th race I set one of the top clean lap times, sometimes I’m the only one! So I start at the front and get smashed by guys who use me as a brake and end up in the middle. Rinse and repeat.
BEFORE Blizzard Mountain choosing a custom race without colissions was easy and worked all time.
AFTER the Expansion you find always games with only 1 or 2 other players… it´s complete broken.
BEFORE the expansion this was the way to have fun without all the ramming idiots.
AFTER the expansion its a total mess.
I’m having the same problem as the post above, the game fails to find a no collisions lobby or if it does find a lobby, there are no more than 3 or 4 people in each.
Yes there will be classes that are more popular but I’ve tried EVERY class, including a lobby where you have a vote after each championship, they all have the same amount of players in each lobby. A no collisions lobby was usually very popular, had no problems finding 12 people in a lobby. Nowadays I never find a lobby with more than 4 players!
It does make it harder to find games because you have to try and guess which one to search in.
They should include:
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Games only
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Yes the crashers and bangers are horrible in FH3. FH1 wasn’t as bad as there were no checkpoints to be pushed out of. I try my best not to crash others, there may be some bumps when 3 of us get into a corner, but nothing intentional.
FH3 also doesn’t give real credit to the race winner whereas FH1 did, it’s all about XP now instead of where you place in the race. I have had races where I win, but a guy who DNF was atop the leaderboard because he drifted the entire course (in the HE Subaru) racking up XP. How does someone who DNF a race get to be on top lol?
I haven’t been able to find 1 single race choosing the “no collisions” race, mind you I always pick “vote after each race”. Only racing I can find is in the “online adventure”.
I think that the viability of XP farming is somewhat dependent on the number of players in the room. In a room of 5-6 people, I was number 2 in the XP championship halfway through despite having won both races and the XP farmer finishing dead last. But our numbers swelled to 8-9 people for the third race, and despite the XP farmer and myself continuing as before, I ultimately won with a 10k+ XP margin. Either the additional players ‘stole’ points from him by pushing him down the finishing order or their presence increased/multiplied one or more of my earned XP categories because I don’t stunt drive beyond dodging traffic.
You two are missing the XP system point completely. The XP system is the only solution (that works somewhat) to deal with lunatics in the races. The guy you call “XP farmer” lost points, because there were more people in the race and chances that somebody will mess up his clean racing got significantly higher. If you drive clean and fast (finish in top 3 or even worse), you have no problem winning a championship in front of a drifter either.
I get it just fine. The XP farmer wasn’t disrupted because he consistently chose to sit on the grid at the start and never fought for position. He consistently and exclusively finished races in last, and just before time expired. Conversely, the notion that you can easily win an XP championship with clean, fast driving isn’t as easy as you make it sound. If one is without the benefit of respectful competitors, they’ll need a exceptional build/tune, and depending on the course, even that may not save them from turn one late/non-brakers that turn the first third of the race into a grind in which those racing for the podium do so at the expense of their clean driving bonus. I know as much because I’ve won championships by being the one who opted to sacrifice placement for clean running (and had to mute race winners who moaned about it) and lost championships to others who did the same.
And how is the XP championship a solution against lunatics when the bulk of XP-scoring activities entail lunatic driving? If you want to be fast and clean, you don’t hit roadside debris, drift unnecessarily, or choose a line that takes you through bystander traffic when around it is an option. . .
Sure, it isn’t as easy as I made it sound, if you have a worthy opponent(s), but I’m having hard time believing that this last place drifter won and at the same you didn’t sacrifice clean racing to a better position over the finish line (unless it happened before the XP boost HE cars were nerfed). XP system is solution against the lunatics the way you just described, where you did clean racing, kept your distance from the packs, laid off a little bit of the gas and did your driving… and you won by respecting others with your driving. Lunatics just go flat out, ram, doesn’t know what braking means, have no respect to others and they can be the first ones over the finish line, but the XP system gives them what they deserve and they end up on 5th place in the standings, because clean racing is what makes the difference and of course skill chains, but the latter one doesn’t have such a big impact on the final score as the first one. There is one thing that can be major variable in this whole thing and that is your starting position (better to be in front or back than in middle).
The smashing through debris, drift, near misses etc are part of the Horizon franchise - this isn’t Forza Motorsport. When you race from one event to another one, then you have to keep your skill chain up, but at the same time you have to make it on time to the destination. This is actually quite fun and competitive, because you have to be quick, make smart choices (what route to take, should I cut through the landscape or drive on the road, do I still make it on time, it is a pumpy road I need to go slower or I end up upside down etc) and avoid crashing.
I can’t help that trailing opponents with superior straight line abilities choose to late/no-brake corners in order to catch me. That’s the bone many have to pick with this system; it may punish dirty racers, but they can still negatively impact those who are trying to play respectfully. I don’t think that the only recourse a player without a dominant build should have is to fall back because I don’t doubt that there are dirty racers who are satisfied with trading an XP championship win for position. It’s somewhat contrary to the point of racing, too. After all, race wins are a recorded metric. XP championship wins aren’t. And while the credit bonus is nice, it’s a weak incentive when the game makes money relatively easy to come by.
Well then stop lapping 2 seconds faster than the next car. =P
I’ve got to say it’s never really bothered me on horizon that much. Most races don’t have many barriers in positions where you can gain that much of an advantage anyway and if a lot of people are doing it then it can cancel out quite quickly anyway. I was playing a Yarra Valley sprint race last night and at one particular 90 degree right hander after a long straight everyone was holding the speed and slamming into the barrier to then take the corner. Quicker than braking and taking the corner? Possibly so. But not when they piled into one another and ended up stuck in the barrier. I just braked as normal, drifted around the corner and even though a few had managed to wriggle free my momentum carried me through overtakes and I ended up winning due to clean driving.
Personally racing is all I care and I’ve barely paid any attention at all to XP rankings. Some interesting XP stuff mentioned above though.
It’s sad for me though there’s no option to separate “XP players” from “racers” tbh. Personally most of time I just aim to start and finish next race at my 100% driving ASAP, and I would rather hope those 30s buffers could be minimized to minimal, AKA kick away all those last-place drifters. I’m certain that I can drift way better than those online drifting backpackers but i just hate doing so in general. If I must farm XP by drifting I would do it in private instead of wasting all of those 30seconds from the competitive racers. I mean those transition scenes are already plenty slow-as-hell enough
I didn’t know that I would stir up such a response with people. The more I online race with FH3 I can understand why some people choose to use the barriers. I just laugh when I start last place and due to my clean driving, and watching people miss gates, hit trees, jump barriers, I go from 10th to 2nd place. Sometimes all you can do is laugh. I will continue to race and race clean when I can.
But I ran into a racer last night that was bound and determined to wreck every racer on the track. He wound up dead last on every race. There is justice.
Don’t forget hit each other. It’s really bad in Surfer’s Paradise at times; one semi-regular fellow picks the Terradyne Gurkha whenever the room votes to race there, regardless of whether the races are Asphalt, Cross-Country, or Mixed. Sure enough, the events are like reenactments of Death Race. . .
I have to admit, I always get a kick out of when someone flies up an embankment in the Rainforest and barrel rolls back onto the road.
Wow, I’m sort of OK with a new driver crashing me as they don’t even know there are brakes. But last night I was in an Online Adventure and two 400+ class drivers were crashing to pass. Once out front they were decent drivers but they would hit anyone and wall ride to get there.
And yes those long straights with a 90 at the end can be quite an adventure lol, as others have said, I bide my time and wait till they pile up then go around them lol.
I’ve been playing for a month or so and decided to jump into an online C class race last week. Man there were a few people driving me NUTS in these races. They would not stop using me to bounce off of in turns. Once they passed I could always catch them but then when I was in front they would ALWAYS smash into me as I slowed to enter a turn by going into the turns faster and bouncing off me. It was driving me insane…
