Drift handling sucks compared to forza 4? what am i doing wrong

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Hey guys,

Quick question. Recently got forza 6 after still playing the old forza 4. I could rock it in F4. Tandems, backwards entries, tagging walls etc. Jump into F6 and I dont know if the physics have changed or what but I just dont find it anywhere near as good for drifting?

Ive changed the controllor dead spot down to 5% which helped. I never used a wheel in F4 and dont see why i would need to in F6?

Ive tuned my cars the same way as in forza 4 and they suck. Tried changing them up a bit, harder springs, more camber, less camber, tyre pressures etc.

Basically they either struggle to drift and break traction (350+kw cars?), or they have no grip. Then once you do get it sideways you cant hold more than a few degrees angle, entries are sketchy and transitions either dont happen or snap and spin you right round?

Ive downloaded a couple tunes and those sucked as well. Is there anything im doing wrong? Is there any differences you need to make in tuning?

Cheers
Brad

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You’re not doing anything wrong… Welcome to Forza 6 drifting.

The physics engine has changed and there’s simply nothing that we can do as drifters to compensate for it. I’ve gone from one extreme to the other with my tunes and can’t get a nice smooth drift tune going. It’s still possible to drift, but it requires so much more effort in tuning and controlling your car while drifting. A couple of races and my hands are soaked from sweat. I’ve actually given up on Forza 6 for drifting and went back to Forza 4. Not saying you should, just saying that I feel your pain and this is one of the reasons I went back to Forza 4.

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Tbh bumping down the steering assists from Sim to Normal made drifting feel similar enough to FM4. You’ll need to adapt to the way the controller gives you feedback though.

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Ive even gone to assisted which seems to make it a little better.

EG Taylormade, thanks dude. Ive got a 350 that will sit sidesways now but same as you on transitions its a wild beast.

Does drifting with a wheel help? Dont really want to spend another $500 as I only bought an xbox one for forza but theres no point having the console if I cant use it for what i bought it for.

If so whats the best wheel setup? Want something as good as a G27 if they dont make an adapter. Clutch, 6 speed etc

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If you want feel free to add me. I can give you my rx7 tune I’ve spent the last week or so making for controller drifting. It’s pretty stable and can hold a pretty good amount of angle without spinning out. The only thing I’m still working out on it is if you aren’t careful with transitions it’ll snap around and spin out. You can be semi aggressive with transitions but not as much as I’d like it to be or as much as I could on forza 4. It’s an tandem tune which I assume you are looking for so it’s decently quick as well. At least I assume so, I’m doing the same speeds as I was on forza 4 and it was quick on there lol

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Using a wheel isn’t going to help you any if you’ve only played using a controller it just gonna give you something else to learn. If your still having that much trouble made a tune for the 350z if you want to try it out just search my Gamertag: DRxSickness File Name: 350Z Drifter

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tbh yes you can tune like forza 4 for a base tune, then keep using that same car and make small adjustments til the car holds drift. ive had one of my friends try my tunes cause he was having same issue he liked it for base tune but really grippy to him. if you need help add me, at work right now.

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Most the people having trouble drifting in FM6 are the players who came across from FM4 and never played FM5. Drifting in FM6 is easy compared to FM5.

If anyone wants to tandem come join my team every Friday for a drift session. Details here: http://forums.forza.net/turn10_postst51393_-PTGDriftFriday---FM6-Open-Lobby-Drift-Tandems-every-Friday--PHOTO-UPDATE--15-11-15.aspx

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I played Forza 3 in its day and the cars seemed to slide more, it would seem like ages before you could get a car pointing the right way to get the power down. Forza 6 the cars sort of squirm (for want of a better word) rather than drift. Its been that long since I played on the 360.

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I had an S15 that was top tier on FM4. 84k maple vally, 105k Fujii reverse B, old down hill 159k, ect… same tune here, holds angle great, but in transition it’s unpredictable. Seems Forza has left drifters to FM4 and nothing to improve on. Only thing I can think of is lowering rebound to improve transitional oversteer/understeer. Just now thought of it

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Also, FM5 most successful drifters ran positive camber with race tires and pressure at 55. That’s why it’s hard to transition from FM4 to 5 or 6. That’s goes against all I believe in as a drifter and refuse to stoop to that.

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Completely untrue statment. Everyone moaning about the drift physics need to suck it up and practice. After spending much time practicing drifting I eventually got used to FM5 and that made drifting in FM6 a breeze.

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Do you have any tips or advice for building/tuning drift cars?

I’m a circuit racer but am tempted to break that up with a spot of drifting.

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Sure! Here’s a beginner tune I made for those that need help learning to drift:

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The settings on this are tamer then what I typically use, but that’s cause it to help those who are struggling with controlling the drift car.

After you get used to the way this feels then you can start to adjust the settings. I set my cars up like real world drift where possible. Here are some basic settings that I use and that work for me, others that have tried my tunes find them easy to drift.

Tire Pressure
A lot people use weird settings here. For fronts anywhere from 28.0 PSI to 34.0 PSI is plenty and for the rear typically a lot lower, 20.0 PSI to 24.0 PSI.

[ub]Gearing**
I keep gearing short, I prefer less gear changes so I can focus on controlling the car with less effort. I typically set my gear so that I run the car in 4th gear most of the time with it topping out at about 110mph to 120mph (In 4th gear)

Camber
Typically you will want anywhere from -3.0 to -4.0 camber in the front and between -1.0 and 0.0 in the rear. Rear tires are almost vertical.

Toe
For toe you want Toe Out at the front and Toe In, in the rear. Adjust anywhere from 0.0 to -0.8 or 0.0 to +0.8 where applicable.

Caster
Caster on some real world drift cars run caster as high at 9 degrees but anywhere from 5.0 to 7.0 can do.

Anti- Roll Bars
I set Anti-roll bars between 20 and 35 with more bias to be stiffer in the front. Too much body roll and the back end drags around too much

Springs
I usually soften the springs by about 100lbs to 200lbs from their stock settings depending on the car weight. When you watch pro drift cars take off you can usually see the gear changes in the slight body roll from front to back as they smash through the gears before hitting their first corner. Drift cars also squat a lot.
I also adjust the ratio of front to rear to match the weight distribution of the car e.e 51% to the front (After car build as weight balance differs from stock obviously).

Ride Height
Drift cars are typically raked towards the front being higher. I use a difference of about 1.o inch, front higher then the back.

Damping
Adjust to your liking, front stiffer then the rear for both Rebound and Bump. I set Bump low between 2.0 and 4.0 depending on the car weight.

Aero
A lot of people don’t use the aero. Rear aero actually helps wuite a bit in giving the car grip while cornering so it’s great for drifting, more grip while cornering means the car can drift faster. I have a 450HP 240sx with rear forza aero that can keep up with 800HP while drifting. Yes it’s slower to accelerate but it slides at the same speed as the bigger faster cars. Running front aero can help to of course.

Brakes
This can vary a lot person to person. I personally set them biased towards the front. Usually anywhere between 65% and 80%. Using the brakes while still on throttle (Left foot braking in a real car) allows you to slow and control that front end direction more. Brake pressure I set around 140%-160%

Diff
I use the standard drift settings most of the time. You can do the Locked diff 100% accel and 100% decel as a lot og low HP cars use wielded diffs in real life. I use 100% all the time on the accel but use between 92% and 98% for decel

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You should follow this post. He goes about it similar to what I do how ever I don’t mess with the brakes and run stiffer springs on older model cars pre-mid 80s in most cases.
I also use just the controller.

Right off the bat adjust the diff and then lower tire pressure " i dont up this either " seems to help with grip. If your car has more then 450+ HP you’ll brake the rear loose. I run (A) class cars so i have a number of them under 500hp.
Then I would do the Camber run a lap or two then springs. This usually gets the car sliding under control.
Do Caster and you’ll get more angle; I start at 6 then do toe out/in, once i get that where i want it I go back to Camber.
Toe out on the front will help with turn speed , but be carefull with this as you’ll get a snap over-steer going. Toe in on the rear helps with that.
I use at least Sport tires if not better depending on how much torque/hp the car has and go with taller wider tires at least 19" and 225 series. Old cars play with width more.
Last I start tweeking the sway bars tighter.

main thing is learn to use the e-brake coming in to the corners and power-over on the throttle and feather it some till the car is set.
Don’t think you can just hold down the throttle and it’ll be all good specially on switch backs and tighter courses, big sweepers are more forgiving. If you want to hold those in a A Class you have to go in hot and throttle more…may have to up shift too and tap the e-break

My two cents is the game is better over-all and takes more practice to get drifting and all the cars seem to take tweeking to get good competitive lap times.
It shouldn’t be the same as a game made years ago and should have a more realistic approach to it tuning and setups. More real life settings seem to work better then they did in FM4.
I got into drifting for a period when it all started to blow up in the US and it came with a costly learning curve one that definitely didn’t translate to FM4 this one at least has a learning curve.
In my opinion it was too easy in FM4. It the courses that I’m mainly disappointing in when it comes to drifting.

I’m going from FM4 to FM6 and have to admit at first i was getting frustrated and dropping some WTFs about the house,but i started applying a real life approach and its working.
Not as good as I was in FM4 but getting there every time i get on…missing Suzzuka Short, Sunset Penn and Fujima down hills for testing setups.

Now I’m using Circuit De Cat, Indi, Sonoma and the Test Track. Sure that will change here soon just tracks I’m used to or picked up quickly.

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Lmao, drift against me or any other top level drifters on 4 and you’ll see exactly what I’m saying. It’s why people like DrkNeo, RelentlessSmoke, ect… don’t drift much anymore. By the way, the short time I did play 5 I again was top 100 in the world. It’s not practice, I have plenty of that, it’s physics changing, to better racing without regards to ameliorate drifting.

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I don’t care where you rank on an old game with old physics or where you rank on any game for that matter. To say that successful drifters on FM5 run positive camber, race tires and 55 PSI is untrue. It shows how much you know. I have always setup my drift cars with real world settings and it works just fine. All FM4 drifters complain they can’t drift in FM5 or FM6 they give up and go back to FM4. Then those same people who go back to FM4 come on here and try to bash drifting on the newer Forza games and try to use statistics from an old game of how they are top 100 blah, blah, blah. News flash, no one cares where you rank in points drifting.

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3 days, only cause of holidays, I’ll tune a car, and beat you just to prove my point. You can pick the track even. On FM5 I was top 100 too, just thought it was a waste of a game so I went back to 4. Don’t bite off more than you can chew. Doesn’t take a wise man to figure that out. Just common sense.

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Clearly you didn’t read my last post…

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+1 practice… I got off lucky by not playing since 2 but I hopped into 6 and got used to the handling pretty easy

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