Currently experiencing an issue. SOMEONE has stolen multiple designs from me and is now selling them. Only reason I found out, was when I went back to get another F1 car. Some took up to 4hrs to make and here they are stolen. It appears Dude copied them because he removed my name decal that was on the top. He even used the same car number, font, placement, custom companies, etc.
I can give you his tag. I thought I’d better ask before shaming someone. I asked for him to take them down or I’d report him. We’ll see what’s sitting in the inbox tomorrow. If he just takes them down and leaves it that way… that’d be fine.
I know you’ve been painting for awhile, but for others, here’s why his wok has most likely been ‘stollen’.
Thing to remember here is, that there’s two distinct types of designers in Forza 6. Those that create ‘original’ designs that are NOT something you’d see at any track… Unique, original…
Then there’s those who recreate actual racing liveries. And with those, if someone has the skillset required, then one could effectively find several of the exact same car on the Storefront when you go to buy or choose a design for a car you own. Right now, there’s two cars that are identical, but created by two different painters.
Now they haven’t ‘stollen’ each other’s designs, they’ve simply recreate a design that exists in real life.
And with each of those,the painter does have to create the logos him or herself…
Edited for correction.
However, the painters that create ‘original artwork’ is in a different field altogether. His/her designs "can in fact be copywritien through the process of registering it as ‘uniquely created pieces of art’. "And are registered with the various countries etc."Copying those unique pieces is In fact breaking the law. That’s of course if one wanted to be really petti etc.
Correction done to above paragraph, thanks Ace…
So with the OP, if his work is infact unique, then yes, that someone IS stealing his work.
Which is why he needs to contact those ppl mentioned above to have this rectified.
With ‘Real World Copies’ of logos, these painters that create them, offer them to be used as locked layer groups. They also know that a good painter will most likely use that logo to recreate their own, in order to use on their own vehicle, and then offer them on the storefront.
Many main painters encourage up-n-coming artists to use their logos to help motivate their own creative flair as templates to create copies of those logos.
I know I’ve recieved great help from several of the major painters in here to make my own copies of the various logos. I’m certainly not stealing them, as they actually belong to the company the logo belongs to.
But, copying someone’s unique piece of artwork, is not kosher really, and does need to be monitored…and punished where and when nessesary …
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You clearly have no grasp on the concept of copy-write law. It’s only “copywritin” if one takes the time to get it a copy-write for it I suppose that would count but just making something doesn’t automatically copy-write it.
Like many, they used others simply logos as guides to understand how to bend, tweak, skew, etc different shapes into the various designs used in the construction of a logo.
Many top level painters In Forza Paint Booth have openly offered their logos to others to use as guides in creating their own copy of a logo.
This has helped many gamers come to understand the complexity in creating some logos, and in that case, they opt for using the various logos on offer in the ‘Layers group’ function in the design booth.
I know my Michelin Man has been downloaded many times, but never used, but it’s been copied… As I too used someone’s MM to create mine.
I got to understand how certain groups can be reused, how to shape things and U.S. Simple shoes to recreate him.
This has inspired me to copy logos off the net now. Yet still need help with many, and use the various painters logos that have made them available to the greater community.
And that’s what it’s about actually. Creating a supportive and creative community where support is offered rather than criticism etc.
We all have to start somewhere.
For me it was In Forza 3, I used available logos, but had to create those that weren’t readily available. If the support was there for me back then that is available now, I prob would have done a lot more.
Helping others can give you a better reputation as well. Knowing that others can call upon a certain painter for help is a welcomed relief in a difficult time.
I paint both original and replica liveries. Sometimes by request.
What we all need to understand is we’re making liveries for a game, we’re not entering the Archibald or Booker Prize (those from Australia will understand the analogy), or re-painting the roof of the Sistine Chapel, and therefore we aren’t creating “art” as such. Actually, if car and/or car part manufacturers really want to get “petty” as someone above called it over the re-production of their logos, they can round us all up and sue us all, for breach of copyright. It’s only the fact that we’re giving them world-wide free exposure, that they don’t. And also, if the governments of some countries (yes, it can go that high), want to clamp down on the fact that every time we re-create an old livery of a tobacco sponsorship from the 80’s, they can come after us too, as we are, in fact, breaking that country’s laws. Sadly, yes it is a low act, and I don’t get quite get what you mean by “selling”, I haven’t been able to “sell” a livery since FM4 on 360, I just get 500 credits for the download, unless you do want to go to all the effort of Trademarking your designs, I don’t think there’s a lot that you can do.
Keep on painting.
You do realize no one re-creating designs of real race car liveries can in a game like Forza can be sued. There’s no real world profit being made from people replicating said designs. But if a designer/brand saw their design in Forza they CAN ask it to be taken down. But why would they, it’s publicity for them, I’ve followed livery designers work after seeing their designs replicated in Forza.
This totally agree HUB, I think ??? It’s why after Forza 3, (company logos were so great In those first 3 iterations), disappeared. And “artists” like yourself and many many other talented guys-n-gals in the Forza comity started to re-create the various logos. Often spend Indian number of hours to fo them ‘right’.
Then, offer them up for ‘tracing’ so others can benefit from your experience.
All I can say is - THANKYOU for being the generous ppl you guys-n-gals are. It’s helped me enormously, as I’m sure it has many others.
I attempt to ‘like’ any logo (and livery) I trace, use or download and race with. It’s really easy to ‘like’ someone’s work these days, I think they have altered the way you can now ‘like’ a livery without having to run several races waiting for the infop-up yo come on screen.
It’s the very least one can do to give something back to guys-n-gals that created the designs (aka liveries) and layer groups.
Noooooo NoNoNo… I was just asking to avoid him as a designer. It was an original he copied. I do not see his profile anymore so I’m not worried as much I dont mind if someone makes a design in existence when I made on too. I mean it’s the same with brands of vehicles. Each Company brings something to the table in hopes of being the most successful with the customer… Players are picky and want great stuff. I know I do! I just have to hope mine is the better one at the time! If not, I just unshare it. Why put something that’s competing with the others guy’s design, if his really is better. I try only to post up really good work. If it is only so-so, it never gets shared and goes to the burn pile… deleted actually.
I design BOTH Fictional and Non-fictional liveries. There is no one or the other for me, like some are saying. I paint what I drive. So Its F1 & Indy that are my favorites. I also love vintage racers like the Auto Union, Alfa P3, Eagle, etc. That’s mainly where my concentration goes.
Its kinda funny. I saw 3 cars with my designs were in the lobby I was playing in a few nights ago. Dude started to blame me instead of the other guy after he got spun. He realized it wasn’t me and the other guy was the culprit. Still funny… unless don’t believe you!
At work Right Now but will post a few pics of the best sellers later.
What do you mean by “stolen”? If someone has literally found a way to unlock the design files, then reupload them as their own, this may be a… Troubling development.
If they’ve just copied bit-by-bit your design on their own… Well, it sucks, I guess, but they are not breaking any rule AFAIK. As they say, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
NO liveries can be stolen in FM6. Maybe copied or “traced” but not stolen outright. If you were (which was done in earlier, Xbox 360 versions) to compare actual shapes as used in the Livery Editor, the FM6 versions - even “traced” will be different.
Creating “like” liveries of even famous race cars are one-off creations, because what may appear to be “identical” really are not. Everything in FM6 is an individual creation and is not reproduced for manufacture in the “real world” (cannot be exported) for profit.
Either of the above, unlike Forza Motorsport 4 and which allowed exporting to Horizon versions, were stolen by cheaters and sold or traded as their own.
Because the Xbox 360 and Xbox One are different platforms and different processes in the “underneath” workings, no Xbox 360 liveries/vinyls can be imported to the new console.
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