like many others i am forced to use fullassist i am a neat tidy good driver but no matter how clean i do alap i am at least 6 to 12 seconds a lap behind other drivers . every corner when comming out of apex they are able to accellerate away from me approx 30 to 60 meters ect by the end of the lap they gain about 6 to 12 or more seconds which i cannot compete against and am usually following the field getting further away back after every lap. its just not fair .i dont expect to be up the front but i should be somewhere in with the pack.i realy enjoy my racing but it is very sad & frustrating to not be able to be part of the race.im only asking for a fair go from microsoft .i should be only 2 to 4 seconds a lap behind a driver of the same driving skills as me.im not asking to beat everyone but i just want to be part of the race.close racing is what it is all about everybody loves that even the very fast must get bord driving by them self way in front of the nearest racer lap after lap.fullassist was put there to help the people with some sort of disadvantage but it should be setup so they can enjoy and be part of the race like 90% of other racers they paid the same money as everybody else so they should be entitled to play with near the same advantages as everybody else.please microsoft please make it fair for everyone.
because of age & disability have to use fullassist the diff between no assist & full assist to great
I too am limited by some injuries I have sustained in the past and as such I can not utilize the manual shift options, with or with out the clutch. My hand goes numb within 10-15 laps and I can no longer hold the controller with any semblance of control, not to mention the pain radiating into my arm. I have with patience and time been able to get away from Auto braking, ABS and for most cars stability control. Even still I am not able to compete on the leader boards like I hoped I could. I have managed to get 30 top 500 times with most being in the top 350 range in D,C and P class and most on the shorter tracks.
I have been thinking about ways that T10 could make the game more enjoyable for those of us that can’t run with out assists or use manual shifting while still maintaining the realistic physics and car profiles. The best I have come up with is if they could make it possible to match Drivatars to the same settings the player is running then we could be racing apples to apples. So if in career mode I was running no auto brake, no auto steering, ABS off, STM off, TCS on and Auto shift; then the Drivatars I am matched against would be in cars that have the same settings.
Another thought is to make it possible to sort the results in the rivals section by these options. Even just allowing to filter by auto vs manual shift would make it possible to see where one stacks up against those that are running the same settings.
As it is now I just look through the leader boards and find tracks and classes where there are some top 1000 scores using automatic shift and then work to beat those peoples times. Not being able to run manual shift is a major setback in being competitive and also to find tunes that work well. Most tunes are set up for manual shifting.
So you are not alone but to be honest I do not see the developers doing much to balance this out as they are doing their best to stay as true to real life as possible. My suggestion is to set your own challenges and goals such as I described here. Utilize the Drivatar difficulty setting to allow yourself to be competitive with the assists you need to run, once you are consistently doing well then either bump up the competitions skill or try running with one less assist on. Free play is a great place to do this as you do not have to start at the back of the field and as such you are already better off than in career mode.
Best of luck and Happy Racing!
Tough and complicated subject to discuss I’m afraid.
I can fully understand where you’re coming from, dare I say it’s possibly a little too simplistic to say putting everyone at the same/similar level(s) irrespective of what assists used would be fair. The argument can be turned 180 and a ‘none assist/less assisted’ player could feel it’s unfair they’re managing more things but are deliberately held back, that’s not ‘fair’ on them. There are probably some assists you could turn off, I don’t wish to pry about your disability but if you’re able to use a controller, there’s probably at least one or two assists you can turn off. There’s no doubt assists add a large amount of lap time, but there’re also things outside of the assists that can make a large difference to your race performance:
Track Knowledge
Tuning
Racecraft
Cornering Technique
Controller Setup
Forza’s multiplayer is one of the most brutally competitive arena’s there is in console gaming, there’s no team (ala Halo, Cod) to share the load, you’re on your own. There’s quite a few of us who have played for years and know the nuances of every track, it’s going to take time to match that level, let alone beat it. Forza has a large amount of disabled players with all manners of solutions and unconventional controller configurations, launch some new support threads or search around for previous ones, set up leagues with comparable players. There’s a lot more out there, be positive and proactive rather than going on the attack and asking for everyone else to be held back.
Hope you feel better about it all soon.
Would it be easier for you to use a Thrustmaster wheel instead of a controller? Or does your disability stop you from using a thrustmaster wheel too?
I feel your pain.
Being partially disabled with little use of my left hand I have problems also. I have a thread that was asking for our own customisable control layouts but I’m not sure how to provide a link to that. Not that it matters because that thread is in quick sand somewhere on these forums.
I used a fanatec on forza 4 which took me a while to save up for and that was the only way I could use manual/clutch. And I was pretty decent aswell running around the 1000s on s class.
Now with a new system and new game I can not afford a new wheel aswell. I am stuck using auto transmission which is a major hindrance to my lap times. Does not matter how well I know a track or how well I take a corner or if my race craft is good. I basically get left at the back with not slow drivers but the ones who cannot drive.
I don’t know about you but if I could assign my own buttons for shifting, breaking and acceleration it would make a huge difference.
Truth be told I have not played for about a month because I am not enjoying this game anymore and this is because of control methods and not the actual game.
Unless turn10/Microsoft change this approach this will unfortunately be the last Forza I own. Which makes me sad 
I know plenty of auto transmission players that have tuned their gear ratios to work better with auto gearboxes, some of them have been running top 100’s and thereabouts (In P and X class). Auto will always on the whole lose out to manual, but it doesn’t have to be such a huge difference and you can cater for it. Maybe also look at racing higher classes where shifting time is reduced.
Why isn’t the controller configuration options any good to you? They’re not button specific but there is a dozen or so different configurations, or is it a case that without a wheel it’s not worth it?
I’ve seen drivers using full assists do quite well on the leaderboards. Maybe not top 10 but within the top 500 for sure. If you can run top 500 times, you should be plenty competitive in MP. You aren’t going to beat the tippy-top guys but then again, most of us aren’t.
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hi guys,for me my thumbs and trigger fingers work ok but i dont have much grip. a few things i have tried in the past are mounting the controller on a piece of wood with zip ties then screwing that to an old table.in fm4 after falling out of my wheelchair on the first turn of sebring (no balance+big lean =broken hip) i switched to an arm chair ,i sit with my legs crossed and rest my arms on my thighs.(warning if you are prone to skin or circulatory issues dont do it).i also found after doing some refinshing work,my hands were a bit sticky,no more grip troubles.now i keep a tack cloth near the t.v.(look in paint section of diy store) …hope you find something that works …dave
If you like pm me some details gents about what specifically your handicap hinders you from. Would be more than willing to try and help with the build and tuning side, as well as ask a few friends who have handicaps how they set up their controllers/wheels.
get a better tune and turn off assisted steering, put it on normal instead. with autobrakeing and auto transmission i can get medals online and even come in #1 on some tracks. look at the leaderboards and see what car is best for the track in the car class you are racing, get that car then search tunes for that class and track, use only that car on that track. decide on a color for each track and make all the car for that track that color. then just concentrate on keeping your car on the track and out of wrecks. if someone comes up and it going to wreck you for position get out of their way so they dont wreck you. you’ll probably pass them back when they fly off track. keep your driving as smooth as you can. stay relaxed. most people lose time over driving the car, then more time over correcting, then correcting again. thats for online.
in career offline where you cant change between races look at the leaderbaords thru all the tracks and see which car appears the highest over all the tracks and get a tune for that car without searching by track. go for a good over all tune. adjust the drivatar level up or down so you can still beat it. for d class use the mini.
keep trying different tunes until you find one that works for you. dont worry if you dont like the 5 star tunes, some of the lower rated tunes are good they are just alot newer so they haven’t had a chance to be used as much yet. dont be afraid to try a 4 or 3 star tune. you can always change it if you dont like it. with the right tune you can be competitive.
If you don’t feel confident in your tuning skills you should try out some of the shared tunes out there to see if that’s helps you keep up better. Also, if your running auto transmission, I hear upgrading to sport or race clutch can help improve your shift times. You may find if you turn off auto steer you can control the car easier and hold your line better. Hope this helps.
If the tunes are made without assists it may not translate well. A tune tailored to there assists would work best for them and most likely improve there times.
I may be in the minority here, but imo, there should be zero deficit and zero advantage based on the assists. IMO, it should all be equal, and if you feel like using clutch and manual shifting in order to make it more realistic or fun for you, then you can use them, but there should be no advantage. If you can gain an advantage by choosing a proper gear for a particular corner, that is one thing. Just like in real life, autos can often be in the wrong gear when you’re not selecting them yourself. But you shouldnt get an automatic acceleration advantage just because you’re using manual and not auto. And the clutch thing is just silly.
Hell, on many of these cars, especially the supercars, you dont even have an option for a clutch in real life, they are paddle shifters and do the clutch on their own. Why should the simulation of their car be able to have an advantage by using a clutch that doesnt exist on the real thing? A manual clutch is NEVER faster than these transmissions in real life, why in the game?
I guess I just enjoy these games for a different reason.
Completely disagree. Auto should be worse than manual, it is in real life. TCS should depend greatly on the car and driver, as in real life. Learning to modulate your left trigger should reap benefits as it does and STM I honestly have never turned it on.
A solution, if you’re wanting to compete on the leaderboards is to split them, assists and no assists. I would disagree that the difference between the two is too great though, I am quite confident I could run a top 100 all assists.
Thats a bold statement from a guy who only has 3 top 100 times.
Also, why come here to bash. Everyone else wants to help. Maybe you are talented enough to do it… doubtful but maybe.
Also there are some leagues if I come across them I will repost. That are auto only. Also some that optimize builds so there is much less advantage for example a spec build that requires race clutch. This also take away a good portion of the advantage for manual with clutch over auto.
The manual clutch option provides no benefit on the x class that I can discern. I haven’t goofed around with p class much but I’d be surprised if there was any diff there either. Manual with clutch vs no clutch does not provide any benefit.
Is there any benefit on the cars in game relative to their real life counterparts that have dual clutch paddle gearboxes irl? For example, is a clutch shifting a modern Ferrari in game faster than manual no clutch? It shouldn’t be, for sure.
I totally get that a vs golf or some other reasonably priced car doesn’t fare as well as a clutch manual in game, however.
Tuning for assisted driving is an art form in itself. And it can be a lot of fun to do, too.
I had to use a lot of assists while recovering from some health issues too, and found it to be thoroughly enjoyable. Now that I’m mostly on top of my troubles, I find my assisted times still tend to be my best times. (yes I really am that bad a driver, but I have fun and I try hard to drive clean in multiplayer.)
No, I was never competitive in Multiplayer with assists on. But I’m not competitive in them now, either. I still have a good time. And when I want to cry in my beer, I’ll just take a look at the leaderboards - not to see that I’m #230,000 on the track/class board, but to see I’m still TOP 17% on it!
The public lobbies tend to be largely filled with top-1% drivers. (The beginners lobbies might be more top-5% but that’s not likely to help much. Plus, when you’re level 50 or more, beginner lobbies are best left behind.) I’m usually fighting the DNF tag, it’s a victory for me to finish within 45 seconds of 1st place. The long-distance timed races are more forgiving in terms of place: if you can last 2.4 hours, try Le Mans coming up.
I’m stuck using auto trans but from R class up auto works pretty good,only in the lower classes does manual with clutch give you a advantage,IMO.
Not necessarily. Yes, manual is faster than the old school auto transmissions, but its not slower in the modern day cars that are computer controlled manuals. Heck, years ago in F1 they were full auto and they legislated it out of the rules and made them start using paddles. In real life, the only reason allowing the computer to control gears (like an auto) rather than using paddles is if the computer cant choose the correct gear for a particular turn, etc.
And in my post, I’m mainly referring to the clutch aspect of things as using a manual clutch is definitely not faster than a normal paddle transmission, yet is in this game. That is just wrong. There is a reason you dont find clutches in nearly any high end racing car any longer. That is the silliest part of the game in terms of giving someone using the “manual clutch” an advantage.
The one single biggest advantage I see is manual vs auto. But I agree with what others have said, in the higher classes its less of a difference. I have been targeting tracks in D and C class and on the shorter tracks I can get top 500’s and many top 300’s. in P class I had some top 200’s but they have slipped as others set more times.
The biggest help anyone could offer me would be tunes done specifically for auto shift. I have a post in the tuners lounge about that very subject. As it is now I search the top 500 times for people using automatic and then I check for tunes by them using their GamerTag. Even this only gets you the tunes they share, which often are not the tunes they set their best Leader board times with.
Great to see all the input on this subject as I know there are many people out there that are frustrated by their limitations effect on their game play. Nice to see people offering advice and tuning assistance.
Happy Racing!