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I Hopped into some ranked adventures because I was pretty excited to see some sort of ranked mode come to Horizon.

The first few adventures went pretty well, besides the obvious stuff like ramming and poor racing quality.

Then I had the incredible misfortune of getting into a S2 rally lobby. In the first race, the winner demolished everyone, he was ahead of 2nd place by at least 10 seconds. In the second race I noticed he was doing something that instantly changed my opinion of the online experience of this game. He was wallriding and winning by car lengths.

Seeing that, I have no doubt that anyone who is a high rank in this game won’t actually be good at racing, but good at riding the walls.

I’m pretty disappointed that Turn10 couldn’t think of any way to fix or nerf this strategy by time the game came out. Have 90° walls, or no walls at all. Walls that follow the path of the corner is a clear invitation to just slam into the wall and ride it around.

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i would add to this list

lack of possibility to switch the tune of a car between adventure … to either suit the car to the next races or change the class of a car to an other to suit the class of the new adventure if it changes

if freeroam rush is changed for a normal freeroam (like in FH3) … add the possiblity to tune the car or change for a downloaded tune here either

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This list is it right here. All the problems in one place. Can you add Off Road need to be more realsitic, more rough, more off roady lol. also freeroam rush just needs to go, not chnaged just get rid of it. Id also like to see 6 races in championships, 1 qualifier to detremine the grid positions and 5 races.

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Explanations of the behavior your experienced below.

Team adventure and Ranked one have same sickness. Logic with team based races is that one player get 100 points passing 1 car of the other color and 50 points more in case winning the race.

if you think it at team level, if you just pass 1 car clean you get 100 points for your team BUT if you crash it, you get the 100 points and you raise the chances for your team mates to pass it too. Pushing logic further if you get this crashed player to ragequit, you get instant 600 points for your team, almost same than winning race itself.

Considering maximum. Someone playing clean makes 650 points for ‘his’ team at the ultimate maximum. Same player ultimate ramming makes 650 + 600 +600 + 600 + 600 + 600 = 3650 points for his team at the ultimate maximum.

Adding this as a demo of the advantage of wall riding: Wall Riding Noobs Destroy Online Racing (Forza Horizon 4) - YouTube

My conclusion is, the objective in team adventure and ranked is not to win races as an individual, the objective is that your ‘team’ wins the CS. Even not doing it from calculation, one player has more chances to win CS by wall riding and crashing other color players than racing clean.

The best players are therefore players expert at wall riding, ramming like hell and possibly chatting with mates making it team wide strategy.

Have a look at FH4 masters, you will get a good sight of the very best rammers/wall riders of the game.

That gameplay is, up to me and FOR CLEAN RACERS, totally screwed from its very concept.

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This. I played during Asia prime time for a while this morning, and it was amazing - even in A street, lots of Raptors banging. The meta game is entirely about taking out opponents, not about winning the race. Multiple times near the end of free roams especially, someone would sacrifice their finish to prevent multiple opponents from hitting the end target. A completely un-fun, but incredibly effective strategy.
It was nearly impossible in these groups to go 12th to first, which i do routinely at other times.
The delta between fastest and slowest was also much much lower than I’ve encountered before in this game, whixh really shows the weakness of the track design. When you’re 5-abreast, heaviest wins, not fastest.

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I’m still searching for a reason why lobbies don’t exist in this game. Who wouldn’t want to pick the car class and terrain they race on? This should be a no brainer but instead you have no choice and can only race what the game picks. How is this acceptable in gaming in this day and age? I started online gaming on the PS2 and they had lobbies in games. Why are we going backwards with gaming? Why do tried and true formulas just keep disappearing or get replaced by inferior systems? Why why why?

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https://youtu.be/fFs9HZmiHM4

1.My team won the match 3-0, but my score has dropped! why? ! Really ridiculous!

2.When I play with my friends, often only some players can receive an invitation to join the competition. If there are not enough players in the event, you must manually match the match again, otherwise the system will automatically match again, but only the captain can receive the event invitation. It wastes us a lot of time.

3.When I randomly formed a team, my teammates always surprised me. Even if I get the first place in every game, they can always let our team lose the game. Everyone knows! What is the fun of such a team adventure? ! Not to mention the malicious collision of the opponent.

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Square walls make it easier to ram others from behind, leaving them at a dead stop while the offender continues on.

Contact racing relies on good sportsmanship and a specific skill set. It’s somewhat of a miracle it’s not worse, on average.

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I did notice the wall riding thing aswell. Sadly on some tracks it is by far the fastest way to make corners.
Yesterday i was playing a match and noticed the same thing, tried to wallride myself on the track i was on and performed way better…

Although this was already a thing in forza horizon 3 but there a point system was in place which was in the benefit of the clean drivers. Sadly they removed this point system in fh4 most likely due the wallriders crying not being placed 1st on the leaderbords even though they crossed the finish line first. In fh3 i even had a few hatemails from wallriders complaining to me when i beat them on the leaderbord by driving clean. At least no hatemails now since wallriders got what they want in fh4.

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I can’t be bothered to read all 58 pages here, but i just wanted to weigh in with my biggest problems with the online here. At first i could not really figure out why the online was such a step back from the previous games. But i think i got some ideas here:

  • Freeroam rush sucks! too chaotic, no sense of strategy or map knowledge. Unless you spend months on learning the best route to the destination, you will end up in a wall, tree, lake or something else that can block your path. Why is this even in the racing playlist? It also means that offroad cars will always be the best choice, since theres ALWAYS offroad in this mode. Anyone who chooses a road car will be demolished by the offroad cars

  • Team Adventure sucks! i get the idea behind this choice, but it DOES NOT work. Its every man for himself, and having your own teammates push off a checkpoint, ramming you and not cooperating in generel just makes it worse.

  • People not driving off the start line. This one should be really easy to fix. Just ghost the player if they are not engaging the throttle when the race starts, so that the player behind can just pass. It will almost right away make for a better start

  • Some track- car and carclass combinations are really just terrible. Having S2 998 class cars in a street race with a full lobby is just a bad idea, especially if its winter.

  • make checkpoints wider. This will right away make it much less frustrating being pushed away from a checkpoint

  • make us able to vote for the car class in each respective playlist

  • the “pvp” races needs to be integrated with the “team adventure” part of the system. I never see anyone using the pvp option nor do i ever join one. at least make the tiny icon for these popups much clearer as its so hard to see atm.

  • forzathon live is boring and repetitive. Take a note from Burnout paradise, i know theres old Criterion guys working at Playground games, i mean you guys should know how to make it fun and exciting.

  • multiplayer in furtune island. no multiplayer in furtune island? i mean wtf?! we got it in all the expansions, why was this never advertised?

  • make lobbies smaller, as its too chaotic in its current state.

  • Leaving the game and my convoy not following me is extremely annoying! i constantly have to make my freinds rejoin my convoy after we leave a session

  • Make us able to leave between races. That way we also get rid of people not starting at the beginning of a race, because they are afk or maybe they just want to leave.

  • wallriding. Make it so you lose speed when you grind up against a wall after a certain amount of time. This is just a retarded tactic atm.

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For god sake please don’t claim for this. PVP is the only spot I manage to find some players willing to play clean. I agree it lacks some visibility from others players but any connexion with the garbage collector, sorry, the team adventure, would contaminate it.

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Support for suggestion has upgraded, now one can pick game name for posting a feedback and RK is automatically assigned the call. I refresh lot of my requests. If you wish to support one you just have to log a call and indicate tag in the description like #16366 for instance.
Request for is at https://support.forzamotorsport.net/hc/en-us/requests/new
Some will say useless, I would say I have done maximum to raise points.

#16354 solo online missing with lap time etc just like in FH3 : hopefully next month
#16354/16376 Gameplay designed for Rammers, need one for racers, one for drifters , etc
#14243 No possibility to race on empty track for tuning cars / Rivals
#16354 Wall riding is not fair play for clean players just like clean turns are not fair play for drifters. Currently only Wall riding thus lot of frustration → need a mode for racers, one for wall riders, one for drifters. We have just a need for speed gameplay, prove it was just a mistake.
#16355 Free Roam blocking Rwd, Fwd cars
#16356 B/C/D championships missing
#16360 Extreme asphalt cars like ‘mono bac’ playable on cross country
#16361 Tires type not displaying in all situations
#16362 limit for number of tunes + no possibility to know which car has which number of tunes making it hell to clean.
#16363 non snow tires should slip like hell on snow and ice
#16365 Mixed races should be at least 50% of dirt.
#14248 Music in intermediate phases that cannot be turned off
#16366 limit on number of cars
#16367 Many cars sounding like lawn mowers
#16368 Wheelspin car duplicate : On FH3, when car is already in garage, player is proposed to resell it
#16369 Seing own car and avatar during waiting time to be replaced by seing others’ cars
#16370 Displaying all players helps on list at race result would raise fair play level.
#16371 possibility to buy a car dedicate wheelspin with 5 basic wheelspins would be great
#16372 when creating a custom race or CS, being able to exclude a type of car like no trucks, no extreme offroads would be just great.
#16373 possibility to disable wheelspins triggered automatically ( I have already earned more than 60 millions of CR, wheelspin for 2 000 or clothes is frustating and boring)
#16374 remove this message that displays when I request instant transport to location for 0 CR … francky guys, not because Microsoft is in the game that you need the ‘are you sure’ everywhere …
#14242 possibility to share tuning only to his team or specific people
#14242 possibility to share a tuning unlocked
#16366 possibility to filter on can by bought or not to identify the cars you can get rid of
#16366 possibility to filter his cars by ‘new’ tag

#16354
Custom online CS mode menu

CS style : gentlemen drivers, all means are good, drift , simulation, no collision, etc
Class: ANY, A , B , C , D
Road type = ANY, Asphalt , dirt, mixed, cc, Street
Season= ANY, spring, summer, autumn, winter
Free roam : No, Yes
Team mode : No, Yes

FH: Search available CS and display those ordered by number of matching criterias
Me: Click join

#14243
Rivals with same car for everyone is a good idea but blocking possibility to test cars on empty tracks is bad for people doing tuning and bad for diversity

Proposing : Rivals challenge.

  • Possibility to select any car, any season
  • Possibility see score by track, for any car or specific car.
  • Add a driver dashboard with score of all rivals done with car info, time and tune used.
  • Add achievements on having done all the races with a same car for 1 season for instance.
  • 2 ranking one with collision detection, one without so that everyone can enjoy rivals

Finishing a race, it would be great to see the rival time on same track you did possibly with same car.

#16355
FEEDBACK : Free Roam blocking Rwd, Fwd cars
SUGGESTION
Free roam not for asphalt/mixed CS or select free roam car applicable to all the CS or use it for car position at next race start

#16360
FEEDBACK : Extreme asphalt cars like ‘mono bac’ playable on cross country is just killing challenge of car selection
SUGGESTION : Some want easy, some want challenge. Add a Arcade to Simulation cursor in game difficulty parameters. Joining online, use parameter to do matchmaking and apply physics.
Quickwin : restore enough physics so that rally cars are better on rally, offroads cars are best on offroads, tarmac cars are best …

#16361
FEEDBACK : Tires type not displaying in all situations
SUGGESTION : permanent display of ‘snow’ tag and filter, so we can choose right car for dry, wet , snow

#16362
FEEDBACK : limit for number of tunes+ no possibility to know which car has which number of tunes making it hell to clean
SUGGESTION : remove limit, indicate number of tunes at car level

#16363
FEEDBACK : non snow tires should slip like hell on snow and ice
SUGGESTION : Tunes should indicate type of tires so that casual gamers can easily pick correct tunes. Apply physics. Other solution, split lobbies depending on difficulty level #16360

#16365
FEEDBACK : Mixed races should be at least 50% of dirt.
SUGGESTION : exclude from mixed CS any track having more than 50% of tarmac + add Full dirt races/Cs with 90% dirt minimum.

#14248
When I switch radio to off, put the music off in ALL phases of the game including loading times.
Or and allow to put 0 on game music, I don’t want to hear anything during loading time.

#16366
FEEDBACK : Very complex to do Garage cleaning
SUGGESTION : revive modal of FH3 which was proposing CR when winning car already in garage.
Add advanced filters : Tuned cars, New cars, FE cars, more than KW cars, duplicate cars less than KW cars, More than torque cars , less than torque cars, more than weight, less than weight etc
Remove garage size limit / add barn option.

#16367
FEEDBACK : Many cars sounding like lawn mowers and acceleration is just moving car on the screen
SUGGESTION : Investigate suggestions of FH community on sound. When accelerating, controler should feedback the torque and vibration generated by car. Give the possibility to player to choose whether he wants to ear engine like he is inside or outside the car.

#16368
FEEDBACK : Using Wheelspin, car won are often already in garage
SUGGESTION : On FH3, when car is already in garage, player is proposed to resell it. please migrate this behavior to FH4

#16369
FEEDBACK : Seing own car and avatar during waiting time is quite self centered and boring
SUGGESTION : Display others’ cars, indication of who did the tune, who did the paint job, the stats of the driver …

#16370
FEEDBACK : On rivals helps are displayed, it is missing on online races
SUGGESTION : Displaying all players helps on list at race result would raise fair play level and make comparable what is actually comparable.

#16371
FEEDBACK : bored winning clothes and stuff
SUGGESTION : possibility to buy a car dedicate wheelspin with 5 basic wheelspins

#16372
FEEDBACK : On asphalt races I would like to exclude off roads cars and trucks
SUGGESTION : when creating a custom race or CS, being able to exclude a type of car

#16373
FEEDBACK : I have already earned tens of millions of CR, wheelspin for 2 000 or clothes is just frustating and ultimate boring even clicking A to shorten it.
SUGGESTION : add an option in parameters to have wheelspins only on wheelspin menu.

#16374
FEEDBACK : I have collected all instant travel points so that travel is free for me, still the feature is requesting to confirm if I am sure I want to put 0 CR on this. When I click to go to Treasure Island, again I am requested to confirm, point less as no incidence on the game.
SUGGESTION : wherever it is possible, remove anything consuming time or/and allow to bypass it.

#14242
Possibility to share a tune to another gamer and not everyone.
Possibility to Make it unlocked so that community can improve it

#16376
Feedback: Game rules pushing to ramming and wallriding.

Logic with team based races is that one player get 100 points passing 1 car of the other color and 50 points more in case winning the race.
At team level, if you just pass 1 car clean you get 100 points for your team BUT if you crash it, you get the 100 points and you raise the chances for your team mates to pass it too. Pushing logic further if you get this crashed player to ragequit, you get instant 600 points for your team, almost same than winning race itself.
Considering maximum. Someone playing clean makes 650 points for ‘his’ team at the ultimate maximum. Same player ultimate ramming makes 650 + 600 +600 + 600 + 600 + 600 = 3650 points for his team at the ultimate maximum.
Adding this as a demo of the advantage of wall riding: Wall Riding Noobs Destroy Online Racing (Forza Horizon 4) - YouTube
The objective in team adventure and ranked is not to win races as an individual, the objective is that your ‘team’ wins the CS. Even not doing it from calculation, one player has more chances to win CS by wall riding and crashing other color players than racing clean.
The best players are therefore players expert at wall riding, ramming like hell and possibly chatting with mates making it team wide strategy.

Suggesting : #16354

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As we are making an update to how online/multiplayer is going to be shown I am going to lock this thread.
This is due to the reason as previously mentioned:

Any further post made on the forum relating will be locked and given a link directed here to read through.
I don’t want anything wasted/lost here and there is alot of relevant ideas alongside a few things mentioned being included. Once the new update is underway, I will make a new thread which will include further discussion.

Thank you for all the comments, suggestions and feedback noted on this thread. I’ve been following and relaying all the information here and some of the posts have proven to be helpful.

If anyone is interested in the new update, this was explained in the VOD here.
Stream starts - 52 minutes
Further Multiplayer discussion - around/approx 1:10:00 onwards

Don’t forget you can also give feedback through submitting a ticket here and using the drop-down menu to choose “Suggestions & Feedback.”

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You can find the new thread here.