I was scanning the D Class boards looking for somwhere to build a car for and possibly hotlap when i came across a stock 368 Suburu BRZ 4th round Laguna Seca with a fair few assists on, watching the replay i noticed he had way too much power for D class so i knew something was up, luckily the tune was shared so i downloaded it to see what was going on and when i download it, it says A700 so how on earth has this A700 tune glitched onto D class boards as tho its a stock car? Can you still not get the basics right after all this time? Sort it out Turn 10…
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It’s sadly typical of some users on this forum to go on a rant about something which, if they actually stopped to think about it and do a little homework, is really nothing to rant about at all.
Yes, you are correct that the top D class leaderboard time shows a BRZ with a stock D368 setup, but if you download the saved tuning file with that entry, you see an A700 tune. This means somehow the game reported the wrong tuning file save. It does not mean he used an A700 tune.
A time of 1:39.5 in a well-tuned D class car by a good driver is absolutely attainable. My first time around the track in a D400 '73 Trans Am got me a 1:45.9, and I’m pretty sure I can push that same car around the track 2 or 3 seconds faster with a few more attempts.
Top A class cars get times of 1:28.2 around Laguna Seca. That’s 10 seconds faster than the fastest D class cars.
In all likelihood, this BRZ driver used a D400 tuning setup to post that time, but somehow that information got reported to the server incorrectly. It is a bug? Yes. Is it an exploit or an unfair leaderboard glitch? No.
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WOW your clueless… you should take your own advise…
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Trying to be as polite and constructive as possible here.
There is a lot of pent up frustration in the forums stemming from people trying to get some engagement out of Turn 10.
It is met with some combination of the following:
Silence. What’s with the thread that Voodoo started and abandoned after promising a follow up? It’s still active and people are still tuned in to it months after it started.
The occasional quick fix included with updates. Light on details.
Short, curt, evasive, dismissive or defensive answers.
So people on here start to speculate and propose theories and counter theories and everyone ends up ranting.
Rants are pretty normal here because we pretty much just end up talking amongst ourselves and we don’t really get solid answers on big topics.
Well that is typical of forums I guess, by definition:
A meeting or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged.
Any Turn 10 participation with the community is welcome, but it will take some adjusting on both sides as it hasn’t really been happening.
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[Jonk for President]
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It scares me that a member of T10 doesnt even know this is a glitch time. This isnt the first time this has been brought up. Theres several times with this glitch.
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I have actually watched the replay of this lap. It’s not the lap of a top 500 never mind top10. I would describe it as a poor A class lap and The lines, braking zones and exits are poor. In the telemetry the car does indeed reflect the tune mentioned of a shared A class car. And has the same performance.
Upon checking the drivers profile his game clips include glitchs from gta 5. One in particular is the invisible indestructible car glitch that involves you and a friend Spamming buttons whilst in a mission setup to trick the game thus giving you an indestructible car. Its on youtube.
I’m seeing a lot of suspect things on the leaderboard. I’m sure I’m not the only one. Also, I don’t believe it’s possible to run that time on that track with any D class BRZ even driven by the the best player in the game. Which this guy is not.
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The real problem is when people cheat and it isnt blatantly obvious. The history of Forza’s leaderboards is pretty good overall.
Mostly has been and when not they have reacted and done a good job of fixing bizarre occurrences. Especially when enough people point it out.
They are a lot of leaderboards to Marshall in this version and I understand it’s much work to monitor them. Yet players witness unusual things on a daily basis as the OP has . Then need to question them and hopefully be listened to.
Hate to say this but I think the leaderboards are full of mysterious times with many top times hidden. Then other players whom have no track record at all on forza doing well from nowhere and when you can watch the replay it’s quite bizarre how they accomplished they times. The telemetry just does not add up. It’s not impossible in a few occasions but theirs more than a few occasions.
The OP is an experienced player who knows when something is not right and so do others including myself.
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That’s kinda what I mean, his time/pi sticks out and someone will look at it and see that it doesn’t belong there, for whatever reason. Even if it doesn’t get removed you know it isn’t legit, again for a lot of not cheating reasons. But if he cheated and showed a normal pi, no one would ever look at it. That’s a real problem when you cant tell legit from cheating, and I’ve only seen it once ( because there was a replay ). It’s also the reason why I say no replay, no spot on the leaderboard, since the replay is often the only way of confirming what’s going on.
Black rob set the top time COTA east b class, with a S class tune.
I checked black rob’s time in COTA east in S class. hes using same exact Tune, and running with in a tenth of B class time. seem to me peoples times are getting report to the wrong class.
B class 46.9xx Elise’99 BAM flawless tune
S class 46.8xx Elisee '99 BAM flawless tune
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Looking at the D class time from laguna, the player posted a slightly slower time in A class in the same car.
D class 139.5xx BRZ Scuby555 tune
A class 140.0xx BRZ Scuby555 tune
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Alps club C class … Top time from b class tune
This player post the same time and tune in B class.
C class 124.7xx S2000 dust2death tune
B class 124.7xx s2000 dust2death tune
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brands hatch GP full A class.
126.0xx in A class KTM
125.3xx in S class KTM
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Are the times being put on the wrong leaderboard because of a server error, or because the player is doing it on purpose?
It seems to be a error in the system.
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Well people asked for multiclass lobbies.
Be careful what you wish for 
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Thank you HLR Toffo for doing a bit more digging - and yes AKRA1X, you’re right in that I should take my own advice (and do a little homework), especially before I post a reply. I didn’t watch the replay or telemetry of the posted time in question, or do any further digging into similar anomalies in other boards. Less than 1 second time difference didn’t stand out as an obvious glitched time like other more flagrant issues we’ve seen in the past.
As I said in my reply, this looks like a bug. We saw similar issues in FM5 where a recorded lap time would go to the wrong class leaderboard. We attempted to fix this for FM6, but it’s possible some scores are still being misreported. It’s an exceptionally low incidence rate with no solid repro steps yet. Without a solid repro, it’s premature to say this is an intentional hack or exploit, and exceedingly hard to fix if it’s a bug.
I will gladly pass along posts with useful and constructive reports which might help our team understand the root causes of these anomalies. I would ask that you in turn try to be constructive and less inflammatory with your posts about such observations. Let’s just stick to the facts, so to speak. Observe and report anomalies; there’s really no need to dress it up with jabs at the people here working hard every day to make, and continue to support, the games we want you all to enjoy.
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I keep coming across these obscure times. They are a dead giveaway. The pi for the car is often below the highest possible for the class and the shared tunes are often from a higher class. Even the ones without shared tunes are horrible laps and don’t belong where they are on the leaderboard. I can imagine the hidden ones are exactly the same.
It only takes a few minutes of leaderboard surfing to find them.
When you find what you suspect might be a misreported time, especially if reviewing the replay telemetry shows a clear problem (like a 358 hp BRZ in a D class leaderboard where a maxed out hp BRZ in D class tops out around 230-231hp), please send a brief summary of what you saw in a PM to VoodooUomo. He may be able to investigate. These types of things still happen, but in a game with thousands of leaderboards (all possible combinations of track configurations and classes), it’s exceedingly rare compared to the number of times posted. Sometimes, the opposite happens: where a lower class time gets reported to a higher class leaderboard (but this doesn’t get noticed as much).