Ive been playing forza for sometime now and it has some in accuraciess. One though im bafeled about is the performence of the 71 amc amx. On 335hp and 440 ft lb of torque i think. it runs accelerations with the hemis in c class. Which seems a little too good to be true. I dont know much of this car but in reality how fast would a 1971 amx 401 be up against the same cars it beats in forza. It wreaks a flipping chevelle 454! Which of course the chevelle is underated in this game.
For the AMC, compared to this anyway, the numbers seems about right, perhaps 5 hp & 5 lb-ft over “…the 401 -cu.in. V-8, which used a Motorcraft 4300 four-barrel, dual exhausts, a 4.17 x 3.57-inch bore and stroke and 9.5:1 compression; in 1971’s gross ratings, it put out 330hp at 5,000 rpm and 430 lbs.-ft. of torque at 3,400 rpm”. No model year provided for this tid-bit, but “…in contemporary road tests, a 401-equipped Javelin ran from 0–60 mph in 7.8 seconds and did a 14.6-second quarter-mile at 97 mph.” - how does that compare to the in-game benchmark data?
I don’t know exactly what Chevelle we’ve got in the game - a 450hp LS6? “…could run 0-60 mph in 6.1 seconds and cover the quarter mile in 13.44 at 108 mph.” so, yea. But maybe we “only” have the 360hp LS5? What are the in-game stats on the Chevelle?
the chevelle in this game is the LS6. and forza 4 traction is finicky unrealistic. but the javelin is faster then the chevelle. to me forza made alot of in game inacceriess
The AMX was an under rated and often overlooked car. When done up properly it could hold it’s own with any of the muscle cars of the day. True, the 454 is a bit underrated in Forza, but the AMX is by no means over and above what it could actually do. Could it beat the 454 on the drag strip? I don’t honestly know, but I bet it could give it a good run.
it’s peer competitors were the Mustang, Camaro, Challenger, and 'cuda - the Trans-Am road race series cars, the racing series the AMX won a couple of seasons in.
That Javelin beat all the other cars that year in SCCA Trans Am racing headed up by Penske Racing. Against Mustangs, Camaros and the chrysler/plymouth/dodges in that class. (I don’t know which models they used). I forget which class. Let me see if I can find some info for you:
I’m assuming that the AMX Javelin in the game might be like the 100 they produce to homologate that model for racing. Which means it’s set up somewhat closely to the ones that raced, but were made street legal. A bone stock 454 SS is not going to be tuned for road racing like the Javelin and I don’t think would keep up with the AMX Javelin. Having a bigger engine won’t matter. Sometimes more displacement just means heavier.
I do like the way the 70 Chevelle drives in the game though. An upside to all that power is that it seems to be less finicky about which gear you are in to power out of a corner. I think.
One more thing I have to add is I was born in Kenosha, WI. That’s where AMC was located. They still have an engine plant there, I think, for Dodge. So it’s kind of exciting to have something like that in your hometown. I don’t live in that particular town any longer, but in the area. So I’m kind of proud of it. My Great Grandpa, who was a really great influence on me, worked there for his career. He was a tool and die maker and supposedly was in the experimental division. He retired in the 60’s though. But the rumor was that he may have been involved with some of the developing of the AMX. I don’t really know if that’s true or not.
And for what it’s worth, I think the regular AMX was a waaaaaaaaaaaaaay better looking car than the Javelin. I think that thing is ugly.
I agree the Javelin is ugly in this game because its a 71. The 70 look way better. the javelin and Amx are identical. Its the big fenders on the 71 that makes it look more of a grocery getter in my opinion. And the grill is kind of ugly …
I was looking at it again last night and if my memory serves me correctly the numbers for handling and speed are lower for the Javelin than the chevelle, so yeah, I can see the inconsistency. But I wasn’t really looking at the acceleration and braking numbers either. Just the top 2.
1 Like
yes that’s a lot of bull too the amx is a trans am racing built car. the chevelle was for burning down the drag strip fast. but in the game the amc does acully handle better then what the statistics say
I hear ya.
I always wonder how they come up with the actual handling. Do you think the programmers in the game actually drive all the cars? Or do they just talk to people that did? I mean driving an AMX Javelin would be a rare treat indeed in real life.
One more thing to think about though is that the gearing on the Javelin is very different than a lot of the other cars. It seems to have a very close ratio that seems just perfect for the track and probably aids it in accelerating so well.
I will say this, I have one built up in A class without even using adjustable suspension and I get really good times at Road America. Right now it has the tops for my hotlaps at 2:31… I haven’t done a lot of other A class cars to try and topple it over since that session. But you’re right, it has a super special degree of handling and speed. More than realistic? I would have no clue. Probably so.
The AMX Javelin four speed cars ran with many big block cars… especially a 454 as for its size and weight, is one of the slower big blocks. keep in mind that the amx was almost 1000 pounds less than a 454 chevelle. 100 pounds= 1/10 of a second on the strip. Power-weight is key for acceleration. As for handling, there is no comparison and AMX was built for trans am… the chevelle was built for the strip.
Yes but never have I ever heard someone say they ran there bone stock amx in any trim or engine to kill an LS6 chevelle. When the ls6 came out, it was very limited to what would drive by faster then it. Hemis would have a run for there money sometimes and its a laugh to ever here someone say they chewed a hemi muscle car with there 401 amx
If you look at relevant musclecar history, as is documented by authorities on the subject, the LS6 454 in the Chevelle is one of the quickest ever from the factory at the drag strip. It was and should be considered a “supercar” during the period, and is an equal to the legendary Hemi. It is also well documented that it is underated, even by the “gross ratings” which was utilized by the factories until 1971, when the conversion was made to use “net ratings.” LS6 actual made north of 500 HP, stock.
As for the AMX in Trans Am racing, the limit on displacment for V8s was 5.0 liters, which is why the 69 Z28, and 69-70 Boss 302 Mustang compteted with 302 engines. AMX had to develope destroked engines, just like the other manufacturers to compete in the series. The 401 engine was never used in Trans-Am. It is highly unlikely (though not impossible with a bad driver, poorly tuned car, and other factors, etc) that in a controlled environment, the 401 was any competetion with the LS6.
So, I agree and support the statement: “there is no comparison and AMX was built for trans am… the chevelle was built for the strip.” Since the AMX in the game is a 401 (big block) it should probably be compared to the 454 on the strip only, as neither engine was used for road (trans-am) racing.
P.S. If you would like to see a drag strip comparison in FM4, based on real world performance, try putting together the two cars utilizing the FAPSD racing series specs/rules (see “The Strip” thread under drag racing). Use the same driver and track for all testing. The FAPSD method has provided very consistent performance in FM4 with results similar to the real world data that is recorded.
There is some inaccuracies true, specially in muscle cars and AWD car…
Lets take the Dodge Charger Daytona for example. Car which was born on ovals, but also sold for road use. and being the first production car that could brake the magical 200mph limit.
Only way to get that topping 200mph in forza. it needs double the horsepower (which seems weird) but also it needs sport gearbox.
Almost every AWD car is so horribly slow that they cannot compete in anything. althuogh I have seen few really good drivers and tuners pull out fairly good laptimes.
But when comparing stock cars Lets say Toyota Supra -98, and Skyline (R32) -93 which have fairly similar performance, but on forza, the Skyline is just horribly slow.
I’m fond of the 98 Impreza WRX, but I always did feel kind of slow when using it. I haven’t even driven it in a while because it did feel slow to me.
I did convert the 92 Ford Escort RS Cosworth to real wheel drive and that car is fast for me. I have my best lap times, built to A class, at Road America with it. It’s so easy to drive too. I think.
It’s weird how the game doesn’t allow the AWD cars to be more competitive. I haven’t tried to build one up and race online.
I think the stock speeds are close for most, with AWD maybe the opponents are higher lol, not sure how they do the top speeds but some are just way off like ferrari fxx stock is meant to be like 240 but fully upgraded barely hits 205; similiar situation with the gumpert apollo s
Yeah, I agree about the 70 looking a lot better. It was a little more… well, the one in the game has a lot more angles and sort of strange shapes to it. Yeah, the grill and the rear end I preferred on the previous generation. Maybe a little more subdued and not as strange looking. To my eyes. But I think the AMX was actually a bit different. I thought it had a shorter wheelbase than the Javelin and also had no back seats. But did look very similar to the 70 Javelin. Then I think in 71 they got rid of the AMX which is why they could call that version of the Javelin, the Javelin AMX. Let me go google it.
AMX’s now signature badging was transferred to a high-performance version of its 4-seat sibling, the Javelin, from 1971-1974.
That was what I meant by the “Regular AMX”. The one made for 68-70.
Hey, one more thing. You sort of got my curiousity piqued. I just built up my 70 Chevelle to top of B class last night and I find it to be very fast. And for a Big Block handles surprisingly very well and is more balances than I thought it would be. At B500 you can only go with race tires and one upgrade of width. To I think 225 it was. And there were a few other things I can squeeze on there. I put some aero and I think the clutch is sport. I also gave it a roll bar and race weight reduction. So that’s why I could only get the tires that wide. Had I left off those items you could get more tire width, but for some reason I think a roll bar and race weight are worth it for handling.
I’ve been kind of testing and hotlapping cars for top of B class for a bit now and I beat my fastest time at Sunset Full Reverse with the Chevelle. I’m not as fast as some people, but for ME this thing handles well and is fast. It is a bit heavy and of course doesn’t take corners as well as a smaller car, but I was amazed. I might have to build up a Javelin to top of B class and compare. It might be better, but the Chevelle is no slouch.