Hi, my name is Ewok and I am a long time forza gamer.
Some people may know me on here, some don’t.
I have played the forza series for 7 years and counting, but this game may be the last I ever buy. For one reason…
Online lobbies.
The game online is unplayable due to the amount of mindless idiots and the lack of user controlled lobbies. Today I have been unable to finish a race due to people spoiling everyone’s enjoyment. Constant “wreckers” destroying peoples fun. And from what I see nothing is done about it. Yes you can attempt to vote people out, but 9/10 times there are more than one in a party and the vote gets veto’d.
What has happened to the community, the players, the general fans of the game who used to go online, have a race, a chat and meet new friends with the same interests?
The forums are dead, the game unplayable and the people just spoil it for everyone.
It’s such a shame it is now this way. Gone are the best times I ever had on Xbox.
The auction house, gone
Close fun racing in user controlled lobbies, gone.
The community, gone.
Even a decent amount of tracks and cars, gone! How can a next gen, 5th sequal of a game have a quarter of the content of its predecessors!?
Hope T10 is happy,
Long live the days and memories of the best game ever made… Forza Motorsport 2.
Later
P.S. Sorry for the depressing post and I know everyone isn’t like that, just had to get that off my chest.
I feel you bro! I have a solution for crappy online racing. Anyone played GT5prologue? If u touch or crashed someone ur car couldnt throttle for 0,5 to 5 second depending on the impact. Yes Penaltys. We need them and we need them now.
I wouldn’t go that far as accidents happen. The lobbies just need to be monetised more and action taken. Or there’s the simpler version…
Just give us forza 2 style, user controlled/generated lobbies and get rid of the stupid hoppers!
Most of the hoppers don’t even get used.
People just want to have clean racing on there terms. Then if someone spoils the fun they are out. Simple! That’s how most of the old forza community met each other back in the day. When I used to race we used to kick people without a mic so people could communicate and let people know when you was coming up on them ect ect.
But I fear the damage is already done and tbh it will never be the same.
I agree with a big chunk of your post but not the part I quote above.
This is not just a 5th sequel. If FM5 was on the 360 then sure. But it is the first title on the Xbox One and that is a big part of the reason for the content changes.
The rest of your post I agree. I was racing online a lot but everytime my friends send me invites now it is just to a crash fest so now I tend to ignore the invites and just come back to do rivals each month. Even then the rivals leaderboards are bugged.
I disagree. The games on Xbox one are on blu-Ray and digital download. There should be nothing stopping the developers increasing the amount of content in a game anymore. On previous generations the game was limited due to the amount of info that could be stored on the disk. It’s more insulting that T10 is selling everyone cars that have been available in every game since it started in DLC. Nothing has been added, only taken away. It’s disgusting.
People are missing why a new generation of console impacts the level of content.
It is not disc based storage meaning less content is possible.
It is that in order for the content to look like an xbox one game it needed to be tweaked or redone. Yes I know there have been debates about whether it was from scratch or “tweaks” but the reality is if FM4 content was carried over untouched then there would be more complaints.
Picture it as an FM5 content upgrading machine. So FM5 started with no cars. Each car had to go through the FM5 upgrade machine. Only 200 came out the other end of the upgrade machine by launch.
To RDO’s comment that FM2 was better than 1 etc there are some big improvements in FM5 over FM4. The problem is the negatives are overwhelming the positives.
So much about this generation of gaming, both on the console side and games side looks like it was rushed, not just this game.
In time I believe we will see why aspects of FM5 were necessary.
If people wanted FM4.5 they could have had it at launch. If people wanted FM5 to have the same level of content as FM4 then it may still be another year until that is possible. I know some people have said they would have preferred to have waited. I am happy to have played FM5 but sure it gets stale with the small number of tracks and a few issues that need to be dealt with.
sat forza 1 was the 1st on the xbox. it was a better game. forza 2 was the 1st on the 360. it was a better game. being 1st on the one is an invalid excuse. dan dropped the ball big time. he became married to forza vista the game became secondary. he thought being a show room simulator was more important than a racing simulator.
dan needs to make fixes not excuses. compare 5 to 1 or 2, both 1st on their console. and the 5.5 should be very worrying. its dont waste your money even if you see it in the bargin bin clearance teritory. someone from microsoft needs to step in and over see dan. there is no excuse for forza 5s scores. none. and the saddest thing is he still dosn’t realize he made a mistake and therefore wont try to correct it. that apology interview? it was basically “i’m sorry you misunderstood my vision. i’m sorry the people buying my product are stupid” he looks at those numbers and still thinks everybody else is wrong.
dan should be communicating directly with the users on this board, he should be answering questions and taking suggestions personally. and in the game too. has anyone seen dan in a lobby? compare the wish lists with released content. dan seems to be making a game for dan, not the community. his way or the highway, take it or leave it. look at those scores. many are going to leave it. if forza 6 gets scores like forza 5 the microsoft accountants will probably shutter turn ten. someone at turn ten needs to explain reality to dan bluntly. yeah dan might fire them…but if they let dan continue they are going to be out of a job anyway along with everyone else at turn ten. horizon could become the official forza which i dont want to see. its not like the consumers or microsoft dont have other options.
@RDO - sorry for 2nd post. My browser will not let me edit.
For me there are 2 main things at play here.
The Vision and time constraints.
The Vision is being dismantled at least in part. Cars are now being thrown at the gamers rather than costing many millions. It seems the majority are happy with that but not everyone is.
Time constraints can not be changed in the same way. It will take time to get to 400+ cars and even then people will want 500 and 600. That is a time issue.
I am convinced someone pressed the big red button on the next generation of gaming too early. I suspect it was someone at Sony but that is all speculation. Many factors make me think this gen was rushed out the door.
Separate to all that though do games like GRID and NFS get slaughtered for having less than 100 cars and less tracks than FM5?
I TOTALLY agree. Finally someone who understands why FM5 is in the “state” it is in. T10 kept the 2-year interval for the release of an FM title, and because it’s on a new platform, a lot of things had to be built from nothing. I for one am very happy with the game, and even though there are some teenage morons in some public lobbies, it’s not even close to bad enough to make me want to play less online.
If anyone feels that the community is not as big as it has been with earlier games, they’re right. This game–and the console itself–hasn’t been released yet in a LOT of markets where Forza has had a long and committed following. I, for one, can’t even buy DLCs yet as I live in Sweden which isn’t a released country and therefore has no setup so that I can purchase anything (because purchases have to be made in local currency and there is no current Swedish currency in the Xbox One world - yet).
Give it time for the community to grow as the Xbox One is released on more markets, and don’t expect so much from a first release on a new platform. If anyone had seriously expected FM5 to be an improved FM4 with all the same content plus a lot more, they were kidding themselves (or simply not understanding what goes into development of a video game these days).
You can buy Giftcards from UK online or add a paypal account with a fake UK address and it will work just fine to buy from Sweden, I use paypal from Sweden.
Then what is the point of launching a new game if its not better than the old one?
Volkswagen is on the 7th Gen with the Golf. Every single one was better than the other.
FM5 is a sliced game, that lacks more than just cars. Pretty graphics were something people expected. Lack of content, features and “innovation” was something people didn´t expected. Specially on the 5th Generation.
If they didn´t want to hurt the community then they should have called FM5 - FM5 Prologue. Or not release the game at all. Microsoft rarely does interfere with T10´s actions (according to what both say). The decision to make a launch game was theirs. So now, they are suffering the consequences.
I don´t understand why people try to justify why T10 made a bad game.
So does FM5 not have innovations or does it have innovations that some people do not like.
Curated content - great concept but needs work in my opinion.
Drivatars (FM5 version) - I like it as it is. Others think they need work.
Class based rivals leaderboards - good move but people asked for overall leaderboards
Rivals update whilst you are on the track - needs work to include ghosts
I am sure there are more. I believe innovation is there but needs reworking and rethinking.
Am I trying to justify them making a bad game? I view my posts on this as questioning people’s undertsanding of why the content levels are low amongst other things. People think it should have been simple, easy, quick to ship with double the content.
My latest career diversion has been towards system development. Dealing with end users is quite an experience. One will come to me and say “Can you please do this in the system for me. I understand it is quite complex so take your time.” The real answer is I can get this done for you today. Then another user will come and say “Can you please make this simple change for me. Can it be done today?”. Umm NO!!!. That part of the system has links to 3 other parts. I will need to test that the changes I make do not break the rest of the system. 2 weeks minimum. End users often do not know what is easy and what is not.
Also is it a bad game or just a good but slim game? Well my 600 hours spent playing the game is telling what my views are. Yes I am currently bored of it but it is still likely to be the best value Xbox One game for a while measured by cost per hour of gaming.
A lot of people consider FM5 worse than FM4, mainly because it has less cars, less tracks, no auction house, no storefront à la FM4, and no gifting. I can understand how some people feel disappointed by that. But T10 didn’t just want to make FM5 the same as FM4 with improved graphics/handling. They wanted to make something different - and so they did. By not including an auction house, storefront, and gifting, they got rid of a lot of hacking and modding issues, which I personally feel was a good thing.
The whole structure of FM5 is new and different from FM4, and while it has taken a while to get used to it, I find it an improvement over all previous Forza games. I’m not saying that everybody should think like me, but I find it irrational to say that FM5 is a bad game. I see that to some, different is the same as worse, and a lot of people feel cheated by not having the same features as in previous Forzas. But does that FM5 a bad game? I don’t think so. Sometimes, change is good, and in this case, it’s really good.
To the people who think FM5 IS a bad game, all I can say is ‘Don’t play it’. If you’re so disappointed, go do something you consider is time better spent. While you do that, all of us who enjoy the game a lot will continue to play it and have a great time doing so.
Have a great week everyone. Both those who enjoy FM5 and those who are disappointed because it’s not FM4 on a new platform.
That is not technically true though Ant, the first and second generation golf’s where awesome in pretty much every way, the third gen was ok to a point. the fourth gen was far to fat and bloated, the Golf got stagnant for quite a few years before they got better again. It was only after the 5th gen that things truly started to get better with the Golf, now they are pretty good again.
As for defending forza, its a bad game in your opinion. In my opinion it is a good game, the physics and core gameplay is still what it has always been. I wont lie that there are some muppets online, but thats the same with ANY online game. From the team killers in COD hardcore mode (or other shooters with mp gameplay that allows team killing), to racing games where people may crash you out to get a cheap win.
T10 havnt made a bad game, they just decided to go for quality. They pretty much only took the things out that where extremely broken (storefront, gifting, auction house and car clubs where hacked cars and paints where shared almost constantly), which happen to be the things people want back the most besides the green hell.
Separate to all that though do games like GRID and NFS get slaughtered for having less than 100 cars and less tracks than FM5?[/quote]
With All My respect and negative points i have about lack of cars and tracks in FM5, but you cannot compare FM5 to Grid or NFS … even myself refuse to play these games … truly … they spoil my control!
Claims doesn’t come from people who hate Forza, but from people who are Loyal,
we are (the players) spending more hours testing the game, so our thoughts must be heard (this is what they are already fixing) and in the end, customers must be satisfied.
With All My respect and negative points i have about lack of cars and tracks in FM5, but you cannot compare FM5 to Grid or NFS … even myself refuse to play these games … truly … they spoil my control!
Claims doesn’t come from people who hate Forza, but from people who are Loyal,
we are (the players) spending more hours testing the game, so our thoughts must be heard (this is what they are already fixing) and in the end, customers must be satisfied.
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There is a reason why comparison to those games is relevant.
Let me ask this - is what the loyal players are asking for financially sustainable when other games using licensed cars often have less than 100 cars in the game.
People complain about paying for the same car in 2 games. Well what about the concept of the investment in cars having to be covered by revenue from multiple games - that way we can have way more cars than those other games.
There is one flaw in your logic. None of the previous Forza’s were launch titles. They had time to learn the hardware they were making the game for. This time around they were rushed to make a shortened launch window. Am I making excuses for T10? No. I’m just as let down by the short comings as everyone else but I was smart enough to come into it with low expectations simply because it was a launch title and launch title are ALWAYS weak. If you want to damn them all to hell at least have the decency to wait until Forza 6. Give them a chance to figure out the hardware. Give them a chance to analyze the negative feedback and make changes.
At least that’s what I plan to do. I enjoy what is there, but like I said I went into it not expecting much. So I’ll have fun with it and whatever other games cover the gap and reserve final judgement for the next game.
I think if you look at the user score you have to keep in mind the circumstances around release.
There has there been a lot of hate towards anything related to Xbox One in general, and Forza was pretty much the biggest title to release, making it a target.
The Sony crowd only got a last-gen version of their favourite sim, plus the PS4 launch racer got delayed, adding motivation to bash Forza.
I am not saying Forza 5 wouldn`t have a lower user score than other Forza games without those factors, but I very much doubt that 55 is representing the opinion of actual players.
I would say 55 is about tbh. Everyone I know was extremely let down by the game. People newer to the series may not have the same view, but people who played the game religiously for last 7-8 years mainly have the same opinion.
Hey Ewok, long time no see bud! I’d say I’ve been around about as long as you have, and I understand what you’re saying. I do miss the tuning community greatly, that was what made FM2 so great for me. On the other hand, toward the end of FM2 I got hooked up with some leagues to race with and running series’ with them is what’s kept me playing. So while the process of setting up lobbies leaves a bit to be desired (which I think is more a result of the console itself rather than the game) the actual racing in 5 is the best it’s ever been in my opinion. Now I was never one to jump into public lobbies or hoppers, so I’ll admit I’m not really qualified to speak on those, but the physics, track models, and car models are great this go around. I’m hopeful that things like storefronts and the auction house will be added, maybe CPLs as well. We’ll have to see. Just wanted to give you the perspective of another long time fan
