This is my first post, and I hope that this hasn’t been answered yet, but am I the only one who (upon completely maxing out the 2002 Z06, 1996 Grand Sport (not really a problem with the C1, C2, and C3 that I’ve noticed), and the other (I forget the year) grand sport (the one with the red stripes on the hood) they become uncontrollable, even with tons of tuning. I was trying to test the 2002 Z06 and if I held it at WOT it would spin out and past 4th gear. I play with no assists other than rewind and sometimes partial racing line, and play the manual with clutch transmission, maybe this is why?
Anyways, I appreciate that y’all took the time to read this, and any answer is appreciated.
Hardly anyone will max out any car for this reason… most people have also learned to completely stay away from engine upgrades, HP is over valued by the PI system (specifically the top speed stat) making them poor choices. And these cars can make quite a bit of power.
Try doing weight reduction and suspension / tires then go from there. That grand sport with red stripes you mentioned makes a good A class tuned that way.
If you still want to keep them maxed out I can offer you some tuning tips, but you’ll never get them to hook up properly.
When I get time to play, I have been taking this sort of approach with a lot of the cars I have. The Vettes are some of the tougher cars to tame. Getting the car to grip and handle started to take precedence over outright speed and power. So far the GS and the ZO6’s are about where I want them to be. The ZR1… That’s overpowered from the factory.
Try to avoid going full throttle, specially if you race without TCS. If your car still powerslides, try shifting up (if the car loses control on 4th gear, shift up to 5th or 6th gear, for example) and slow down a little, without using the break. As for the tuning part, maybe it would be better not to tune them to the max…
Thanks! I turn on TCS. Earns less money but makes my car controllable. I had a problem I need to solve. It took an hour but now with your tip, I now can use it lol
Yeah I learnt my lesson when I maxed out a Fiesta on FM3. Once I got it going in a straight line I found it took half a mile to stop it haha. Its just not viable. You need to find a happy medium with whatever car you upgrade and max it to a certain class, don’t always go balls out or you’ll have very little control/brakes. Then fine tune it and you’ll enjoy it much more.
In a lot of circumstances, unless you drive like God, maxing out cars can be a nightmare not just for you but any potential competitors that you may meet in lobbies. They are the bane of my existence in higher class racing to be fair!
About Corvettes, if you want an R3 or R2 one then get a C5.R (R2) or C6.R (one’s R3 and one’s R2), ones that ARE proper race cars. And I do have lots of tunes for them, not sure if the open source threads are still there or archived or what. They will compete in the respective classes too, our R2 ones held top 100s. All you need to do is ask
As a suggestion, if you like cars in the higher classes and you want to go for more road going ones with a bit of grunt, make sure they can handle the power and it’s even better if they get a bit more downforce than the standard 100/200 lbs. I did have a thread with some cars like this and there’s even more I could put up, etc. If I find the thread I’ll link it here.
As said by someone else, you don’t want to go silly with the upgrading, by all means have fun but if it becomes too loony or even if it doesn’t hit the maximum in class PI then you’re most likely taking a performance hit.
what did you input for your transmission gear ratios? final drive?
Try this close ratio GM Racing transmission: 2.29 1st 1.61 2nd 1.22 3rd 1.00 4th 0.85 5th 0.75 6th with 3.42 final drive (the stock C5 Z06 final drive) for starters.
I could be just talking out of the side of my neck, but I think…
As Tano NFS 9569 state and HMR Motorhead suggest, I offer the following. First, think of the Vettes as true American Muscle cars. They are beasts, but only in a straight line. If you drive your FM4 Vette the way you would a real life Vette, you’ll see that it’s much more enjoyable. That means you can’t floor it and in a straight line, it’ll pull like a locomotive but never ever get up to its top speed. The brakes and cornering work only if you’re at the right speed and are downshifting correctly, otherwise, you’re going for a never-ending spin. In short, the trick to driving Vettes in this game; speed, coast, downshift, brake, coast turn, upshift, win! Just think of it as Chevy’s version of Mercedes’ Formula 1 W05 gearbox and you’ll get better boost coming out of those corners. That’ll keep you competitive and help make up for all the braking you’ll have to do.
What I was hinting at in my post was it’s not wise to put an unethical amount of power into a car and put it put of its depth class wise. Sure, put a reasonable amount of power into it and take it to tracks where you can utilise it like Road America. But as I said, it’s about the right car on the right track. If you want a high class, in this case 'Vette, then pick up the R3 or R2 ones (which I have tunes for) and take them to tracks with at least a modest amount of straights and not too demanding corners.
But if you take a car out of its depth and put it somewhere like Maple Valley then I wouldn’t even lay bets on which corner you’d find your demise! It’s all about using the right tools for the job.
I was actually kind of surprised by how well the 96 Gran Sport handled. I feel like the later Gran Sport (I forget what year, somewhere in the 2000’s) is hard to handle, steering inputs are exaggerated but it is terribly fast. I think I got my fastest hot lap with that Corvette for A class. It was stock.
I’m not a very fast driver, but those were my impressions. I also think that some cars just have a lot of power that you have to be careful when you’re accelerating. Leaving TCS on helps with the more powerful cars, but I prefer cars that handle up to their power level.
Which is another thing, I can’t believe some of the engine swaps they allow. I have a 2003 Ford Focus SVT that I like and was doing some building on it and for the heck of it I looked at engine upgrades. They had a Shelby v-8 in there available to upgrade. Yeah, OK, a 500 some odd HP engine in a 2003 FWD Focus. Suuuuuuuuuure. I guess that’s for drag racing. I’m no expert, but it seems highly unlikely that an engine like that would even fit in there.
Anyways… I do think there is a point where there can be too much power. Actually, I feel like the Ferrari 365 GTB is somewhat like that. You have to kind of finesse that thing otherwise the handling just kind of sucks compared to the power level. At least that’s my impressions.
I agree, but one thing I don’t quite understand is that in real life the race prepped Vettes competed on every course in ALMS. Although admittedly I didn’t follow it as closely as I’d like as it’s most weren’t on regular TV. I’m not sure what all courses they race now that it’s combined. And I don’t really know how well they do on the tighter courses. But I know they run them. Like Long Beach and that Delaware one were pretty tight courses. But yeah, they shine at LeMans, as I think they’re usually doing real well in GT1 and back in the day GT2. Eh?
I’m with HMR… the Vettes that work great are the racing versions in R2 and R3. I actually road coursed (in real life) the Z06, and the ZR1, and the ZR1 is overpowered, and Z06 was just the right mix of power and handling. This was at Ron Fellows’ school and even HE said he had a hard time with the ZR1! Below R2 and 3, I use the Z06 in S class, and it does pretty well. I could put up the tune if ya want. HMR has really good tunes, and he’s helped me quite a bit, so if/when he puts up his tune(s) snag 'em!
That must’ve been a ton of fun. Up at Road America they have the Skip Barber racing school and I wanted to do that. Never did though. But that would be fun. Did you do a 1 day thing or was it more intensive than that?
@ GroovierWolf3 I did a 1 day thing with Ron Fellows’ School (its about 45 min from house, on a Motorsports Ranch (Country Club). He’s the official school for Corvette to teach you how to drive your car. If you buy one you get 3 days instruction. I don’t own one, but you can bring your own car (whatever it is) there, or use the Vettes, for 1 full day of instruction/track time…its really cool!! I sent ya a friend request on Live…
